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orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 06:27 PM Nov 2021

Russian analyst who was source for Steele dossier arrested and charged with lying to FBI


(CNN)Igor Danchenko, a Russian analyst who was a source for the 2016 dossier of allegations about former President Donald Trump, was arrested and indicted Thursday for allegedly lying to the FBI, as part of Special Counsel John Durham's investigation into the origins of the FBI's Russia investigation.

He was charged with five counts of making false statements to the FBI, according to the indictment that was unsealed Thursday, and faces up to five years in prison for each count.
Danchenko was a key source of information used by former British intelligence operative Christopher Steele in a dossier that alleged Trump was compromised by ties to Russia ahead of the 2016 election. The dossier, which many of the claims in it were never proven, became one of the most controversial parts of the FBI's 2016 investigation into Trump and Russia, known as "Crossfire Hurricane," which led to special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.
Among the salacious claims Danchenko has said he passed on was that the Russians had a tape of Trump with women that became infamously shorthanded as the pee tape. Trump has denied such an episode ever occurred.
In a move that the Justice Department inspector general later found issues with, the FBI used Steele's dossier to obtain a foreign surveillance warrant on former Trump campaign aide Carter Page.
The indictment unsealed Thursday specifically faults Danchenko for contributing information that became part of the FBI's foreign intelligence surveillance warrants on Page.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/04/politics/igor-danchenko-arrested/index.html







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Russian analyst who was source for Steele dossier arrested and charged with lying to FBI (Original Post) orangecrush Nov 2021 OP
The wrong people get arrested. Bannon still runs free SoonerPride Nov 2021 #1
But wait, there's more! orangecrush Nov 2021 #2
Didn't Sussman send a letter to AG Garland claiming to have evidence that turns the tables? triron Nov 2021 #10
Don't know orangecrush Nov 2021 #15
Yes, you are correct orangecrush Nov 2021 #16
How many times does this make spamming this rockfordfile Nov 2021 #3
I'm sorry, I don't understand your post. orangecrush Nov 2021 #6
Why is durham still operating, General Garland? niyad Nov 2021 #4
Excellent question. orangecrush Nov 2021 #5
From what I understand Garland cannot fire him without cause, and since the investigation was JohnSJ Nov 2021 #7
After all this time and only two charged orangecrush Nov 2021 #8
Misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity or violations of Departmental policies JohnSJ Nov 2021 #11
Sounds like incapacity orangecrush Nov 2021 #13
However orangecrush Nov 2021 #14
So How Does Durham Expect WHITT Nov 2021 #9
Seth Abramson has pointed that out. triron Nov 2021 #12
I have not read the entire indictment carefully Jarqui Nov 2021 #17
Thanks orangecrush Nov 2021 #18

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
2. But wait, there's more!
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 06:38 PM
Nov 2021


Michael Sussmann appears in federal court on September 17, 2021.
Michael Sussmann appears in federal court on September 17, 2021.
(CNN)Special counsel John Durham gave a glimpse on Wednesday of his extensive use of a federal grand jury to bring a false statement charge against former Hillary Clinton campaign lawyer Michael Sussmann.

In a new court filing, Durham says he issued subpoenas to 15 people and entities in the course of his investigation, including political organizations, a university, researchers, an investigative firm and companies.
Sussmann is only the second defendant in the two-and-a-half-year investigation of special counsel Durham, which previously inspired former President Donald Trump and his supporters to believe a takedown of the FBI was coming for its actions investigating Trump and Russia.
Sussmann is accused of not fully disclosing his motivations and clients -- the Clinton campaign and a tech executive -- to an FBI official to whom he provided information that suggested a connection between the Trump Organization and Alfa Bank of Russia in 2016.
He has pleaded not guilty.
Durham also said he is beginning to turn over evidence to Sussmann's defense team so it can prepare for trial. Federal authorities are working to declassify 30 reports of witness interviews, grand jury transcripts and the FBI case file on Alfa Bank -- the topic which Sussmann had brought to the FBI in 2016.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/20/politics/john-durham-investigation-update/index.html


It seems Mr. Durham is quietly going after anyone who provided information linking Trump and his flying monkeys to Russia, no doubt to set an example for the next election.

triron

(22,006 posts)
10. Didn't Sussman send a letter to AG Garland claiming to have evidence that turns the tables?
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 07:09 PM
Nov 2021

Is this what Rachel talked about last week?

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
6. I'm sorry, I don't understand your post.
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 06:44 PM
Nov 2021

And this is the first time I have posted on this topic.


Why does the op upset you?


I believe Durham's purpose is to silence those who would provide information on the Trump Russia connection.


I am certainly not applauding him.

JohnSJ

(92,217 posts)
7. From what I understand Garland cannot fire him without cause, and since the investigation was
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 06:45 PM
Nov 2021

started by the previous investigation, he cannot stop it either

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
8. After all this time and only two charged
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 06:50 PM
Nov 2021


With questionable evidence it would seem to me he does have cause.

JohnSJ

(92,217 posts)
11. Misconduct, dereliction of duty, incapacity or violations of Departmental policies
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 08:14 PM
Nov 2021

What has Durham violated?

orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
14. However
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 09:58 PM
Nov 2021

I am a layman in the law, so you would likely know better than I.

I'm just observing that it appears to me to be malicious prosecution that is politically motivated.

WHITT

(2,868 posts)
9. So How Does Durham Expect
Thu Nov 4, 2021, 07:08 PM
Nov 2021

to PROVE Danchenko lied to the FBI, when he was reporting what intelligence sources told him?

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
17. I have not read the entire indictment carefully
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 05:49 PM
Nov 2021

But this looks fairly flimsy on the surface.

https://www.justice.gov/sco/press-release/file/1446386/download
In para 10, Danchenko may have been protecting his source in the report and told the FBI the truth.

In para 12, that's going to be hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt. He says he got a phone call. They say he didn't.
That depends where he was. If he was in a hotel somewhere in say Europe, good luck with that. If the call was local rather than long distance, would he know? etc.

In para 13, the FBI reacted to the Steele Dossier before they talked to Danchenko so whatever he said to the FBI in 2017 was long after the wire taps and warrants were obtained. So what he said wasn't material to those activities. It's bullshit.
Carter Page FBI warrant was Oct 2016 - before they ever talked with Danchenko and the subsequent warrants reference other things unrelated to the Stele report that justified the warrants.

Later on they make a couple of charges about Chamber President-I. Danchenko claims who spoke with someone who he thought was Chamber President-I but he was sure. So how can they be sure he didn't speak with someone who claimed to be Chamber President-I? That's almost impossible.

At a glance, this looks pretty sketchy to me.

It is probably more for PR.

Meanwhile the other lawyer they went after re the Russian bank and Trump org, that seems to be blowing up in their face.

I get the feeling this is all about discrediting the Russia allegations in the court of public opinion (when there is a mountain of evidence of something sinister going on there).

The other thing is: this kind of intelligence is like rumormongering. It's akin to gossip. It is not precise. It's like getting witness statements to a crime - different folks see different things and can recollect differently over time.

When I read the indictments for Manafort, those were real significant crimes with a mountain of proof.

This is not nearly so clear to me that some terrible crime has occurred. And yes, I agree that lying to the FBI is a crime and if they can prove he did, he deserves what is coming to him. But this is not slam dunk like Manafort's case.

What could the Republicans say if Biden pardoned him (the thought made me chuckle)

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