Yikes....and I know a poll, but Biden @ 38% approval???

[a kennedy]

Is USA/Suffolk poll a right wing poll???

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/11/07/biden-approval-falls-38-midterms-loom-usa-today-suffolk-poll/6320098001/

[lagomorph777]

1. Here's your answer:

"Poll: Fox News Most Trusted TV Source for “News or Commentary”
by Don Irvine on February 18, 2016
A new Suffolk University/USA Today poll released Wednesday found that the Fox News Channel is the most trusted source for television “news or commentary.” Fox was the top choice for 27.5% of the respondents, followed by CNN with 13.4% and CBS with 8.7%. MSNBC came in sixth at 5.9%. Twenty-one percent were undecided. The results […]"

https://www.aim.org/tag/suffolk-universityusa-today/

[a kennedy]

3. Ok, settles that.......I should probably trash the thread eh??

[lagomorph777]

7. Yeah - I could find nobody even rating them; all their releases appear to be garbage.

[liberalmediaaddict]

4. Yep

Anyone who gets their news from Fox believes the country has never been worse off.

[DURHAM D]

18. Unfortunately MSNBC is reporting on this poll right now.

Jose Diaz-Balart in the chair.

[lagomorph777]

19. Oh, I see it splattered all over the media.

But the pollster appears to be a RW propagandist.

[tritsofme]

29. Huh? B+ rated by 538.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/suffolk-university/

[lagomorph777]

30. I couldn't find them there at all.

All their press releases appear to be breathless RW propaganda.

[FBaggins]

42. And their results actually lean slightly blue

nt

[XanaDUer2]

25. Just saw that and changed the channel nt

[Sympthsical]

34. Some serious faulty logic here

Just because they have that poll doesn't make the pollster themselves right-wing.

If Fox News is the be all end all of most conservative cable news - and it generally is - it follows that most conservative respondents would pick Fox as who they trust. Their vote would be consolidated there. Meanwhile, liberals and independents will be scattered between various cable stations and networks.

"I don't like this. Must be right-wing!" is really not good thought process.

[shrike3]

37. I'm not surprised.

Polls released days earlier had Joe at 43 percent, or right around there. Still has to be improved, I have a feeling this one could be an outlier. (I've been wrong again, of course.)

[Tomconroy]

2. If Covid really stops being a pandemic and life gets back to

Something like normal, those numbers will change.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. Totally agree

[Tomconroy]

40. I've always thought the poll decline since July was about Covid. People don't

Even remember Afghanistan. Screwing around with the Infrastructure bill didn't help but that's in the rear view mirror. Getting rid of the masks and a good economy will help a lot.

[Walleye]

5. Joe Biden is not really a divisive figure. All this Biden bashing is going to get boring

I just don’t know how long millions of people can sustain this kind of hatred and anger. But then South never gave up on the Civil War

[Laura PourMeADrink]

10. So Biden Bashing root cause of approval decline?

[Walleye]

12. Well, there certainly is a lot of it. And most of it untrue. Economy is actually doing pretty well

Are we going to call racism economic anxiety again this time?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

31. Granted. I just have to wonder, if one is faced with enormous

Dissing... What do you do about it? Just complain about it? Point it out? I think we need better PR. Just read something kind of humorous on Twitter. A democratic strategist said on Jim Acosta yesterday . If trump had passed an infrastructure bill you would already have bridges named after him in swing states. Hyperbole I know, but still there's point there.

[liberalmediaaddict]

13. They'll never forgive Democrats for winning in 2020

We removed their orange messiah from the White House. And we're trying to actually govern and improve people's lives. They don't believe government has any purpose and see it as the enemy.

[Walleye]

15. These are the people we will never bring around to our side. We should ignore them

[RKP5637]

6. If there were no mandates, then they would scream there's gotta be mandates. You can't win

because the goal posts keep moving. If the US ever encountered a really worse crisis, really really worse I doubt the survival rate would be very high.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

8. Think it would be interesting to see what comments would be

if it was the opposite and a poll suggested Biden was surging. Still be comments about how poll sucks? LOL

In reality, it's all the gopers plus progressives. We can bring progressives back around hopefully.

[Elessar Zappa]

14. I don't necessarily trust polls anymore

whether they show good or bad results. I used to trust them but they fucked up so bad in 2016 and 2020 that I no longer put much stock in them. Like I said below, it’s definitely possible/probable that Biden has a low approval rating right now due to the entire media tearing him down since August.

[Demsrule86]

22. Progressives need to vote for Democrats...I am a progressive in all policy matters, but I want

to win elections. And I am ok with moving forward a bit at a time. I always vote Democratic. If Progressives fail us after the debacles of 2010,2014 and 2016 then we have to move towards the center as a party and scoop up more moderates those who are now independents or maybe some former Republicans who are not as crazy as those who remain in their former party. There is no other choice. I would hate that. I hope we can sell our progressive message to more Americans and that all Democrats start turning out for every election period-including local elections.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

28. In the end I think progressives will A. vote for Democrats of course

There's nowhere else to go. But we need B. enthusiasm and willingness to work your butt off for someone supporters. Huh

So how do you make progressives and moderates happy at the same time? And how do we get progressives to B.?

[Sympthsical]

41. How did progressives get blamed for this?

The President's numbers are terrible with independents. Look at what happened in Virginia and that swing in the middle.

Felt like a gratuitous shot there without backing evidence.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

44. No of course not! I just made an assumption

that because progressive agenda not law yet it was that segment. But you're right it might be completely Independents that make up the 10+-point drop since election.

Guess we'd have to see the demographics of a poll of people who voted for Biden who are now dissatisfied.

[Elessar Zappa]

9. It could be accurate.

The media has been ruthlessly trashing Biden since the Afghanistan withdrawal. It’s bound to effect his popularity. Hopefully the pandemic will recede and prices will go down. Then his popularity would go back up and our chances in 2022 will be much better.

[chia]

16. Agree. Relentless pessimism by the media and the mocking/hateposting by the right has taken a toll.

I remind myself regularly that despite it all, Joe Biden is president and not Trump. And drop to my figurative knees in gratitude...

[underpants]

21. Gas Food prices - POTUS always takes blame for those

The rebound on this could come next year and the longer it takes, the closer to Election Day.

[mucifer]

17. I think Americans are upset about the supply chain and President Biden having problems with congress

Also, the media keeps crapping on us.

[lagomorph777]

20. SineManchin need to be bought off so we can get off the starting blocks.

[Demsrule86]

23. Again, they are not the problem. They will vote for something but it is probably going to be

smaller than what most of us hoped for and it will not include family leave and other things we want...we can come back for more when we have more Democrats.

[lagomorph777]

26. ???

They are obviously and very proudly the problem. However, we know what motivates them - their retirement funds. Slam some pork in there for fossil fuels and Pharma, and get this done. Pay fossil fuel corps to build renewable energy infrastructure; pay Pharma to distribute multiple vaccines worldwide. Win-win-win; SineManchin get to retire wealthy, we get them to retire, and we get some public good too.

[Elessar Zappa]

35. If it wasn't for those two so-called "moderates" (hint: they're not moderates),

a bill would have been passed months ago. It’s completely their fault that the BBB still hasn’t passed.

[womanofthehills]

32. Over on Twitter- many young are upset about mandates

Have you seen the videos of the young all over the world having massive protests against vaxx passes? For 2 months straight massive protests every weekend in almost every city in France and all over the world. I think Biden needs to back down on mandates or we are going to end up with Trump as a fucking King or something. Mandates are definitely losing us the Independents too. The majority are now vaxed and thousands have natural immunity.

[Walleye]

24. Maybe we shouldn't live and die by approval polls. Joe doesn't

[womanofthehills]

36. We have a big problem when Kamala has 28% approval in that same poll

Why are her numbers so low? Dems have to counter unfortunate bad Republican press she has been getting. She needs some high profile assignments to get her numbers up fast.

[Walleye]

39. I just had a thought. That part of the law approval rating could be because Trump isn't indicted

Or any of the ringleaders even Bannon who is held in contempt. That could be bringing down the approval rating from our side

[gab13by13]

27. It's the right wing narrative,

ignore the damn thing.

[fescuerescue]

33. No way that is right. Biden is easily over 50%

fake poll

[FBaggins]

45. Also no way that he's "easily over 50%"

Not a single poll has shown him over 50 since mid-August. The closest he's come was right at 50 in a Fox poll two months ago. If he was "easily" over 50, last Tuesday would have been far less painful.

The current average (at both RCP and 538) is about 42.5%

[Deminpenn]

38. Rs don't like him and I'm sure

some Dems are disappointed.

But keep in mind, there are degrees of approval and disapproval. "Disapproval" consists of "strongly disapprove" and "somewhat disapprove". There is a huge difference between the two. I always look at the "strongly approve" and "strongly disapprove" if they are available. That's what foretold Trump's defeat. The "strongly disapprove" was always almost twice the "strongly approve" number.

[Deminpenn]

43. Here's the actual poll results

https://www.suffolk.edu/-/media/suffolk/documents/academics/research-at-suffolk/suprc/polls/national/2021/11_8_2021_marginals.pdf?la=en&hash=1794FE2E578E79ED2EFC35B6E8DAC2C44B8B06CD

You can read and judge for yourself.

To me, the most telling is "who did you vote for in 2020". That was Biden 44, Trump 43. It tells me that the survey might have gotten a more conservative sample than actually exists.

Here are the tables: https://www.suffolk.edu/-/media/suffolk/documents/academics/research-at-suffolk/suprc/polls/national/2021/11_8_2021_tables.pdf?la=en&hash=9D71EE1891062534BBCA26BE96FD4E39700398C2