Red America is now dying from COVID-19 at a clearly higher rate than blue America

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

By the end of 2020, there was no discernible difference between the rate of people who died of COVID-19 from areas that voted for President Biden and those who voted for former President Donald Trump — but "then the vaccines arrived," and "they proved so powerful, and the partisan attitudes toward them so different, that a gap in COVID's death toll quickly emerged," David Leonhardt writes in Monday's New York Times. And now, "the gap in COVID's death toll between red and blue America has grown faster over the past month than at any previous point."

Residents of heavily Trump counties were more than three times likelier to die from COVID in October than those in heavily Biden countries — 25 per 100,000 versus 7.8 per 100,000 — Leonhardt reports. "Some conservative writers have tried to claim that the gap may stem from regional differences in weather or age, but those arguments fall apart under scrutiny." In fact, he argues, the "straightforward" explanation is that "the vaccines are remarkably effective at preventing severe COVID, and almost 40 percent of Republican adults remain unvaccinated, compared with about 10 percent of Democratic adults."

So while the pandemic has shifted regions, Leonhardt writes, "COVID deaths have been concentrated in counties outside of major metropolitan areas. Many of these are in red states, while others are in red parts of blue or purple states, like Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, Oregon, Virginia, and even California.""

"This situation is a tragedy, in which irrational fears about vaccine side effects have overwhelmed rational fears about a deadly virus," Leonhardt writes, but the good news is that the partisan gap very well may have peaked, thanks to promising new antiviral COVID-19 medications from Pfizer and Merck and greater natural immunity in hard-hit red America. There are caveats, like that natural immunity appears to be weaker than vaccinated immunity, and that so much about the pandemic is still mysterious. Read more at The New York Times.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/red-america-now-dying-covid-121640335.html

Yeah but they're owning the libs.

[RFCalifornia]

1. There is an upside to this you know

[PortTack]

2. Yes there is...and even those that don't die, the unvaccinated with covid may be too sick to

With long haul symptoms to care whether they vote or not!

[LiberalFighter]

5. That is a shame. Increases the value of our votes.

[DBoon]

18. or, given the obstacles in place for absentee voting in red states

many with long covid may be unable to vote at all

[NowISeetheLight]

3. They'll figure it out....

... when their kids start dying.

[BigmanPigman]

4. I doubt that even then they won't change....they are a cult

don't forget. Jim Jones had the kids killed first.

[OhioChick]

44. Good Point n/t

[Ohio Joe]

6. Suicide by covid...

I simply have zero sympathy for them. Let them die.

[Volaris]

61. Yep.

[former9thward]

7. This theory has been debunked.

NBC looked at the last 100,000 deaths. Deaths which occured when vaccines were readily available to anyone. They looked at the age, sex and race of all 100,000 people. They found:

Of the last 100,000 people who died 32.5% were Black. That is a far outsize share given blacks are around 9% of the population.

Hispanics make up 22.3% of the latest 100k deaths. That is well over their 12-14% share of the population.

Non-Hispanic whites are 32.1% of the deaths, far lower than their 58% share of the population.

It also defines "young people" as anyone 54 or younger. Now 54 is young? Regardless they made up only 8.7% of the deaths of the last 100k.

It says 68.2% of the deaths were minorities of the last 100k deaths..

https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/new-faces-of-covid-deaths/index.html

If you click on the link you will find a poorly written headline which does not match the acutal figures in the study. I don't know about red states and blue states but if 68% of the deaths are minorities then given the normal voting patterns it is not reality to say Rs are dying more than Ds.

[maxsolomon]

15. then, Leonhart's wrong?

you'd imagine the NYT would check their numbers before asserting otherwise.

[DBoon]

19. no, former9thward is wrong

The NYT has the correct numbers

[former9thward]

23. Is the NBC study is made up?

They looked at each death. Its not "former9thward" saying these things, it is NBC News.

[DBoon]

25. and the New York Times is not making up numbers either

so there

[mucifer]

17. People of Color live in red states. If they have right wing politicians in their state they are more

likely to die.

There are Black people in the south. Think about it.

[former9thward]

21. Yes, to both.

But to say Rs are dying at a higher rate than Ds is not looking at the full picture whether they are in a Red state or Blue state.

[DBoon]

22. POC in red states tend to be Democrats. Democrats tend to be vaccinated

Republicans (meaning whites in red states) tend not to be vaccinated.

White republicans thus make up a disproportionate number of Covid deaths, as vaccination is very effective at preventing death.

[former9thward]

24. The figures from NBC do not back your assertion.

Non-Hispanic whites are 32.1% of the deaths, far lower than their 58% share of the population.

It says 68.2% of the deaths were minorities of the last 100k deaths..

https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/new-faces-of-covid-deaths/index.html

[DBoon]

29. The figure from other sources do back these numbers up

Just because NBC supports your conclusions does make make their numbers better

[Yoyoyo77]

42. I just read the NBC report.

That report says, Black people and white people make up outsize shares. That's the headline for that section of the article. The text
following that then says that when covid hit last year black people and native americans made up a disproportionate amount of the deaths. It then states that white people make up a much greater share of the last 100,000 deaths. They note that black deaths are down by 10.1, hispanic deaths are up by 4.9 and white deaths are up by 16.7. This report is meant to show the most recent trends not the totals to date.

[former9thward]

53. I suggest you read it again.

From the report:

Of the last 100,000 people who died 32.5% were Black. That is a far outsize share given blacks are around 9% of the population.

Hispanics make up 22.3% of the latest 100k deaths. That is well over their 12-14% share of the population. The percent is down from the overall total but it is still larger than their share of the population.

Non-Hispanic whites are 32.1% of the deaths, far lower than their 58% share of the population. That is an increase from earlier but it is still less than their share of the population.

It says 68.2% of the deaths were minorities of the last 100k deaths..

[mucifer]

56. You can also look at it as the resources provided to people in the states. So while Blacks and

Hispanics die at higher numbers, that might be occurring more in red states than blue states.

Red and blue states both have POC. But, blue states are educating the population more about the vaccine, social distancing and masking. There are more mask mandates in blue states.

For example, Illinois has vaccine and mask mandates and the vaccine mandates started before the federal ones. Although we have the same percent of people vaccinated as Florida, because our state government believes in science and has been working on equity, less people are dying of covid here including POC than in Florida. We still have a long way to go.

IMO you need the data for both the red and blue states AND the stats about POC.

[OAITW r.2.0]

8. Oh well.

Sucks to be them.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

9. "This situation is a tragedy"

[LiberalFighter]

10. The Covid vaccine I received has nanobots

that are able to recognize anyone not vaccinated and eject a single bot capable of creating the virus from my nose. And then enters into the lungs of the unvaccinated.

[PittBlue]

11. We know at least 12 unvaccinated trumpers in Fayette Co., PA...

Who have died from Covid in the last few weeks. I could not care less about any of them.

[underpants]

12. Kool Aid, track suits, hay bails, it's all the same

Cults gonna cult.

[marble falls]

13. It's their choice. It isn't as if the rest of us didn't want them vaxed and alive.

[bucolic_frolic]

14. It's a small advantage

and a very sad outcome because it was preventable. You can't do dumb things and keep rolling 7's.

[tulipsandroses]

16. Tots and pears

Oh well.. perhaps I should feel bad. I don’t.

[hurple]

20. I live in a very red part of a very blue stare

Like 86% for Trump in 2020 red... And my scanner has "code 100" calls all day every day. They came so fast yesterday there were not enough ambulances to transport everyone.

I am wondering how all this death will affect the vote in 22, 24 and beyond...

[former9thward]

28. It did not seem to any affect in VA last week.

[DBoon]

30. The overall vote in VA has nothing to do with this.

For al you know, the loss would have been by 5% instead of 2% without republican covid deaths.

[former9thward]

31. I would love to see some actual hard numbers like NBC put out.

[hurple]

35. They're not done dying yet

So there is that

[Trueblue1968]

26. KARMA !!!!!

[Firestorm49]

27. I'm crying crocodile tears,

[monkeyman1]

32. I know I will catch some shit on this !

but in the spring of 2020 , moscow mitch said that antiva's was killing off our voter's with trump's bull shit . back when he was touting all this crap when the summer coming & the heat will make it go away ! everybody know's heat incubate's germ's ! wtf ? oh well , it all come's down to stupidity & money .

[budkin]

33. That's a shame.

Really.

[Dopers_Greed]

34. They're really owning the libs though

[MontanaMama]

36. Aw dang.

[Hulk]

37. Great news! They deserve it....morons.

Figured it's LOTS of peeps my age range....and lots of just stupid fooks. Good riddance. The country is a better place without them....for sure.

[secondwind]

38. No wonder TFG is touting the vaccine these days, ha!

[ZonkerHarris]

39. They chose poorly.

[DFW]

49. And they don't even all have lapel pins with swatikas on them n/t

[Kittycatkat]

40. I have a mask on so you can't see my smile, just the twinkle in me eye!

[Demovictory9]

41. that will teach us blue voters!

[Kaleva]

43. 22 confirmed COVID19 deaths in my very red, home county since the start of the pandemic

There's counties not far from where I live where there's been less then a dozen confirmed COVID19 deaths since the start of the pandemic. For example, Alger county has 9. Schoolcraft has 5.

Wayne County, metro Detroit, has almost 5 times the number of confirmed COVID19 deaths then the 15 counties of Upper Michigan combined.

In 2020, Trump got 75% of his vote in MI from counties considered urban or mostly urban so it'd make sense that the majority of deaths in MI from COVID19 have occurred in the urban or mostly urban counties. Trump got more votes in Wayne county then in all of Upper Michigan and in many of the counties in northern lower Michigan combined.

[llmart]

45. You need to look at cases per million in each county...

not number of deaths.

Wayne County has close to 2 million people while Alger and Schoolcraft have approx. 8K and 9K people respectively.

[Kaleva]

47. 5 confirmed COVID19 deaths in almost 2 years isn't getting anyone in a panic.

Nor is the 22 confirmed COVID19 deaths in almost two years in my home county.

[llmart]

55. I get it.

I live in Macomb County and I don't see people getting in a panic either, though I believe we're at the top of the "most deaths" list.

[Kaleva]

57. Deaths from COVID19 seems to be accepted, in rural and urban areas, as the new norm

[Champp]

46. Maybe Republicans are punishing themselves for their transgressions?

After all the lying and cheating they have done they probably feel well-deserved shame and guilt. But being Republicans they cannot face the truth directly. So their subconscious guides them to act like stupid, arrogant, invulnerable fools: then they get sick.

And then their families get sick. Some die. Some will suffer LongCOVID all the rest of their days.

Sad.

If they would just repent and try to be honest and decent for a change, FORGIVENESS could be theirs.

[librechik]

48. reds still too dumb to figure it out. How could their camp leaders be wrong??????

Liberals are not stupid. You are, you Dunning Kruger effect trolls. So long! Wouldn't want to be you! I'm sure you will get some liberal tears, but not mine. Jump! Jump! Jump! fucking lemmings.

[Johonny]

50. And the anti-vax among them are just as antivax today as they were six months ago

So, oh well.

[Aristus]

51. Wow, they're really showing us, aren't they?

This liberal feels totally owned by these guys.

Keep up the good work, anti-vaxxers!

[Kaleva]

52. Not that many in rural areas, at least in MI, are dying.

A rate of 25 per 100,000 in a county with a population of 7k is a couple of people a year. Compare that to a rate 7.8 per 100,000 in a county with a population of 2 million.

[Kaleva]

54. Article seems to be saying that Dems are dying in far greater numbers then R's

Solid blue Wayne County in MI has over 3k confirmed COVID19 deaths. Compare that to the 653 confirmed COVID19 deaths in the 15 counties of Red, very rural, Upper Michigan. Who comes out ahead in this? It would appear that R's do as they possibly lost far fewer voters.

For giggles, I may tally up all the confirmed deaths in the counties in MI that Trump won and compare that to the confirmed COVID19 deaths in the counties Biden won in MI.

[Elessar Zappa]

59. Even in Dem counties, it's largely Republicans who are dying.

Only 40% of Repubs are vaxxed compared to 90% of Democrats. Unvaccinated people die at 10x the rate that vaccinated do. It’s simple math that far more red voters have died than blue. Absolutely no question about it.

[Kaleva]

60. From what I've found out so far is that the great majority of TFG supporters live in urban areas

At least in Michigan.

[Bettie]

58. You know, I can't bring myself to

feel sorry for them. They made choices, they continue to make choices.

They are receiving the consequences of their choices.

And not fast enough in my opinion.

I live among these people. They are horrible. Honestly, people who I once thought were nice enough have turned out to be monsters.

And the town I live in is overrun with them.