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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 08:17 AM Nov 2021

Did you hear it?

When the six latest subpoenas were issued by the January 6th Committee---forTrumpies like Flynn, Stepien and others---millions of people across the nation murmured "So fucking what!"

If Bannon and Clark can flip off the Committee and not be led away in cuffs, why should any of these moral pygmies show up and answer questions?

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Did you hear it? (Original Post) Atticus Nov 2021 OP
Mr. Garland must be careful gab13by13 Nov 2021 #1
. Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #3
yeah nt Grasswire2 Nov 2021 #32
+1 dalton99a Nov 2021 #5
That's bunk. berni_mccoy Nov 2021 #9
These people. Snackshack Nov 2021 #10
I agree with you. The problem (?) is that there appears to be a culture of apathy toward Firestorm49 Nov 2021 #27
No partisanship AG Garland. It wasn't the Democrats that stormed the Capitol. Fla Dem Nov 2021 #14
Nope. hamsterjill Nov 2021 #15
Tell that to Susan McDougal. nt Baltimike Nov 2021 #16
++ nt Grasswire2 Nov 2021 #33
Oh please, enough with that, justice must prevail, who gives a damn about what the media and repubs Escurumbele Nov 2021 #20
Both sides do insurrections right? Cobalt Violet Nov 2021 #23
+1 live love laugh Nov 2021 #39
Totally surprised at your comment & wondering if you forgot the sarcasm emoji? CrispyQ Nov 2021 #26
Well, that's a pantload of BS. infullview Nov 2021 #28
If Bannon were Muslim he'd be in jail by now, the DoJ needs to earn this kind of trust uponit7771 Nov 2021 #30
How is partisanship an issue for Bannon of all people? live love laugh Nov 2021 #38
Too political is nonsense... BlueJac Nov 2021 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2021 #4
+ nt Grasswire2 Nov 2021 #34
Trump and his people... OneGrassRoot Nov 2021 #6
You ARE NOT being hyperbolic, you are correct, these republicans are criminals, they see no Escurumbele Nov 2021 #22
If Congress cannot issue subpoenas that will be obeyed, the rule of law is broken. Lonestarblue Nov 2021 #7
IMO, our party isn't taking it as seriously as they should. CrispyQ Nov 2021 #29
too many years steeped in "bipartisan" traditions -- "comity" "gentleman's agreement" etc. nt Grasswire2 Nov 2021 #35
Honestly, millions of people across the nation aren't paying attention to the Committee anyway.... brooklynite Nov 2021 #8
Exactly. tavernier Nov 2021 #12
The entire Subpoena Shuffle is yawn-worthy, embarrassing, and exposes Dems reluctance. Magoo48 Nov 2021 #11
NONE of these criminals will obey a subpoena. NONE. spanone Nov 2021 #13
Well, if they get control of the house Bettie Nov 2021 #17
Unfortunately, that's a very reassuring point. mjvpi Nov 2021 #21
Although, I'm pretty sure at that point Bettie Nov 2021 #31
The people who have been subpoenaed ARE NOT flipping the Committee, Garland is. Escurumbele Nov 2021 #18
Thankfully I am not one of those people. CaptainTruth Nov 2021 #19
I'm certainly not interested in surrendering. Cuz like you always seeking justice. No justice came msfiddlestix Nov 2021 #25
I didn't hear it, probably because I was shouting too loud. msfiddlestix Nov 2021 #24
there goes my blood pressure.... :-( Grasswire2 Nov 2021 #36
Garland has made his point that he's not partisan Poiuyt Nov 2021 #37

gab13by13

(21,360 posts)
1. Mr. Garland must be careful
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 08:22 AM
Nov 2021

in dealing with Bannon so as not to give any indications of DOJ being partisan. If a Democrat's case was sent to Mr. Garland for prosecution he could act more swiftly because I believe that Mr. Garland is a Democrat.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
9. That's bunk.
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 09:56 AM
Nov 2021

Garland needs to do his job to ensure Congress has the ability to enforce oversight.

There is a thing called a special prosecutor that the DOJ can use to de-politicize these investigations.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
10. These people.
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 09:57 AM
Nov 2021

Attempted to overthrow the government. There are very specific law about that and the penalties for people convicted of doing that after an investigation.

Hurting someone’s feelings when enforcing the laws should not be a consideration at any point in applying that enforcement.

Firestorm49

(4,035 posts)
27. I agree with you. The problem (?) is that there appears to be a culture of apathy toward
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 11:09 AM
Nov 2021

the enforcement of law. Apathy? Time to allow for “due process”?

The American people want to see justice. They want to see it applied expeditiously. They are being engrained with the notion that there are two sets of law, and are getting mightily pissed off about it. We are made to sit here fat, dumb and happy as the rule of law is becoming an oxymoron.

Garland, be it a political issue or not, needs to make a decision based on the good of the country - a decision that will reinforce our faith in the system. Sometimes the good of the country means not hiding the issue in obscurity or indecision.

Fla Dem

(23,691 posts)
14. No partisanship AG Garland. It wasn't the Democrats that stormed the Capitol.
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 10:20 AM
Nov 2021

It was the RW Republican traitors and insurrectionist. So they're the ones we have to prosecute. Sorry to hurt your feelings.

hamsterjill

(15,222 posts)
15. Nope.
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 10:24 AM
Nov 2021

Garland needs to do his job and not have any worry about looking partisan.

At the moment, he has bigger problems with how things look by not doing a damn thing. People are pissed and want action.

Apologists for this inaction need to stop. The populace at large has this figured out and want to feel safe again. The only way to do that is to put these traitors in jail, and I’m fine with them starting with Bannon.

Escurumbele

(3,395 posts)
20. Oh please, enough with that, justice must prevail, who gives a damn about what the media and repubs
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 10:32 AM
Nov 2021

think about it when Bannon is jailed?

Please, ENOUGH with that, there are no excuses for Garland not holding "the rule of law", and not enforcing the meme that "no one is above the law", these are memes that no one believes in anymore thanks to people like Garland.

Enough defending Garland, he needs to do his job, or resign.

Watch this video by Glenn Kirschner, it is perfect for this discussion:

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CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
26. Totally surprised at your comment & wondering if you forgot the sarcasm emoji?
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 11:06 AM
Nov 2021

The right is going to call any action he takes partisan. Our response should be, going after criminals isn't partisan.

infullview

(981 posts)
28. Well, that's a pantload of BS.
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 11:11 AM
Nov 2021

Garland is not strong enough to do his job. For all we know, some conservative group threatened his life and he's afraid to do his job.

BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
2. Too political is nonsense...
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 08:33 AM
Nov 2021

We had a planned attempt to overthrow our government, yes they were probably Republicans, but that can't be a reason to not prosecute, Get it done Garland, the country is counting on you!

Response to BlueJac (Reply #2)

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
6. Trump and his people...
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 09:40 AM
Nov 2021

like Flynn will actively encourage the “execution” of both Democrats and any Republicans who they feel have betrayed them. I believe Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff and others are in mortal danger if these treasonous terrorists aren’t held accountable.

If anyone thinks I’m being hyperbolic, I don’t think you’ve been paying close enough attention. This is far, far from politics as usual. After executing leaders the Trumpists will come after regular people like us.

Those of us who see this potential future are feeling despair with the lack of action.

Escurumbele

(3,395 posts)
22. You ARE NOT being hyperbolic, you are correct, these republicans are criminals, they see no
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 10:35 AM
Nov 2021

consequences because there seem to be none, so far.

The republican party is the new mafia, anyone who doubts that has not been paying attention.

Lonestarblue

(10,012 posts)
7. If Congress cannot issue subpoenas that will be obeyed, the rule of law is broken.
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 09:41 AM
Nov 2021

And there is no oversight of government. That’s not politics, it’s reality. Let’s put the shoe on the other foot. In 2024, if Biden loses because there is significant and credible evidence of Trump fraud but swing states have certified the fraudulent results, what happens? Democrats obviously would not attack the Capitol, but Republicans could well be in charge of both Houses of Congress and would eagerly certify the EC counts. Then what? Obviously, multiple lawsuits would be filed, but if they all go to the SC does anyone have faith that they would not support the Republican?

This is my nightmare scenario for 2024 because Republicans have practically announced through their new state laws and their replacement of election officials who certified a fair election with ones who proclaimed the election stolen that this is their plan. And we do nothing to stop them, even refusing to pass the voting rights bill. This is how democracy dies, and it’s already in a coma.

CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
29. IMO, our party isn't taking it as seriously as they should.
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 11:16 AM
Nov 2021

I think our younger gen dems are concerned & actually have some fight in them, but the old guard? I get a "business as usual" vibe from the elder block of our party.

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
8. Honestly, millions of people across the nation aren't paying attention to the Committee anyway....
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 09:44 AM
Nov 2021

Just as they don't watch endless hours of Cable News or spend their days on political blog.

tavernier

(12,392 posts)
12. Exactly.
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 10:12 AM
Nov 2021

We are in an echo chamber here, but most of the country doesn’t even know or care who Garland is.

Nevertheless, we pay his salary and he needs to read the list of his job requirements because I’m pretty sure that somewhere in there it says, “Assist in protecting the nation from all enemies foreign and domestic”

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
17. Well, if they get control of the house
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 10:27 AM
Nov 2021

I guess there is no need for anyone to ever answer a congressional subpoena again. I mean, if there is no enforcement mechanism then it isn't a thing at all, is it?

Bettie

(16,110 posts)
31. Although, I'm pretty sure at that point
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 12:51 PM
Nov 2021

not answering a republican subpoena will cause arrests and prison time.

Escurumbele

(3,395 posts)
18. The people who have been subpoenaed ARE NOT flipping the Committee, Garland is.
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 10:27 AM
Nov 2021

Garland must be held responsible for not jailing Bannon and the rest. Garland MUST RESIGN is Bannon is no in jail this week.

CaptainTruth

(6,594 posts)
19. Thankfully I am not one of those people.
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 10:28 AM
Nov 2021

I still want to see justice done in America.

I've been feeling that way since Bush & Cheney got away with war crimes, but justice is always the goal I seek & I will not give up on it & sink into an attitude of "it doesn't matter, nothing ever happens." To do that would be to surrender to injustice & that's something I will never do.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
25. I'm certainly not interested in surrendering. Cuz like you always seeking justice. No justice came
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 10:49 AM
Nov 2021

for Bush . Cheney Rice etc.

Hell, apparently Rice is seeking office. She and her Mushroom Cloud cohorts should be locked up in max prison for the next two decades at least. But she's doing quite well for herself and has been since she left the Bush Admin.

Taking your point of not surrendering. You must be talking about surrendering Hope.

Because surely, you're not forming an army of justice activists and leading a call for action at the Justice Dept, or are you?

If you are, then sign me up! If you aren't doing something to that effect, I wish you good luck,


msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
24. I didn't hear it, probably because I was shouting too loud.
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 10:41 AM
Nov 2021

anyways... Gonna have to take a long break from everything, because we'll all be suddenly "woke" when the consequences of no justice rears it's really fucking ugly head, when we see things happen that wouldn't never have been considered possible in our democracy.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
36. there goes my blood pressure.... :-(
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 05:23 PM
Nov 2021

You are absolutely right.

The "strategy" of "look forward, not back" has brought us to this place.

Toughen up, Dems. Toughen up. This is an existential moment.

Poiuyt

(18,125 posts)
37. Garland has made his point that he's not partisan
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 05:24 PM
Nov 2021

He needs to act NOW. This isn't some complicated fraud case.

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