Pence's access codes to WH and Capitol were deactivated during insurrection!

[Grasswire2]

Deep dive here, from reputable blogger. Much more on twitter feed.


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[malaise]

1. Who has the authority to do this?

It is time to lock up the Slobfather

[CatWoman]

2. that's what I want to know

[GoCubsGo]

5. Wanna bet it was the same person(s) who tore out the panic button in Ayana Pressley's office?

[area51]

7. +1 n/t

[Cracklin Charlie]

34. Were there more panic buttons missing?

I seem to remember more than one.

I believe VP Pence and others were in serious danger that day. Everyone left in Trumps administration or orbit on January 6th should be imprisoned.

[GoCubsGo]

42. Not sure, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Pressley's is the only one that seemed to get the attention. But, now that you mentioned it, I do recall mentions of other Dems having theirs' ripped out, as well.

[orangecrush]

59. Yes

As I recall.

[viva la]

31. Calling off the military-- refusing to authorize the National Guard....

Refusing to tell his thugs to leave...

Trump.

However, I think it would have to be someone in the Capitol Police leadership (or some Trumpy techy there) who would deactivate a pass.

[Bucky]

41. I'd always assumed security was under control of the Senate's Sergeant at Arms or Capitol Police

Michael C. Stenger appointed by Moscow Mitch in 2018. Replaced by Jennifer Hemingway on January 7th of this year

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_C._Stenger

Of course we can't know for a fact Stenger was involved. His loyalty would've been to McConnell, who was (temporarily) pissed off by the rioters and Trump for egging them onto to attacking the government.

But Jesus Christ, this about this. We're discussing which LEO was loyal to which office holder instead of just assuming they were loyal to the rule of law. It's like we have to wonder if there's some kind of feud between the Musketeers and the Cardinal's Guard in 17th Century France.

[malaise]

76. Very interesting

Thanks

[DonCoquixote]

3. this is bad

Mueller, She Wrote
@MuellerSheWrote
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In "I Alone Can Fix It" by Leonnig and Rucker, Pence refused to get into a car with secret service during the attack. He said "I trust you, Tim, but you're not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I'm not getting in the car." 5/

[FakeNoose]

22. That was because Pence refused to leave the Capital building premises

I also read "I Alone Can Fix It" and this is the story they tell:

Pence trusted the Secret Service guys, it wasn't about trust. It was that once he left the building, he knew they wouldn't get back in time to complete the Electoral certification process that night. Mike stayed there at a secure office with his family and staff, and he went back into the Chamber after the yahoos were cleared out. They worked until past midnight and certified the Electors that night. Otherwise Chump would have had ANOTHER DAY to make things even uglier.

I give Mike Pence (and the others) credit for staying and finishing the job of certifying the Electoral College results - thus ending the stupidity that Eastman created with his f*-up "memo."

[groundloop]

38. Agree.... HOWEVER - After all of this why'd Pence refuse to work towards 25th Amendment????

[BigmanPigman]

39. He needs GOP votes to win POTUS 2024.

Same reason he stuck with the fucking moron since 2016. He and the cabinet could have and should have used the 25th but they are GQP now (the "new" GOP).

[Bucky]

43. I agree. But remember Pence was potentially fighting for his life.

Trump had a concrete plan in place to defy the election and stay in office illegally.

I just went over the Eastman Memo with my government students today. Most of the classes were stunned silent listening the explanation (except those idiots in 6th period)

[FakeNoose]

45. Yes - that's why the Secret Service wanted him out of there

But Mike refused to leave until they finished the job of certifying the electors - thus finalizing the votes. He didn't want Chump to get another day and another chance to mess up the process. All the Senators and Reps hung in until the job was done. It was quite brave.

[Joinfortmill]

52. Yup. Some bad stuff went down.

[Hoyt]

4. Think they were "huddled in loading dock" because insurrectionists were going to kill them on floor.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

6. It seems that TFG did want Pence killed

[bottomofthehill]

57. Sure Does

[Hekate]

81. TFG wanted the VP and House Speaker assassinated, & if they'd been found I have zero doubt...

… that they would have been.

[Probatim]

8. I'd love to see Pence testify under oath.

It seems he was scared shitless during that event and knew TFG was doing everything he could to overturn the election. His testimony would be the end of his career and several others who were in on the plan.

It would be devastating.

[malaise]

17. We actually don't know if he has done so already

Devastating wouldn't be the word - more like cataclysmic

[Probatim]

26. I think we'd know if he testified - TFG's enlarged heart would have exploded

and there would be many one-way tickets to Russia purchased by his cohorts.

And cataclysmic is much better than devastating.

[malaise]

29. Bwahahahahahhahaha

[LiberalFighter]

40. Hopefully Pence has testified against him or at least get word to Trump that he has.

[malaise]

55. I'm beginning to wonder about the post Jan 6 suicides

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

[Bucky]

44. Still needs to be treated like a hostile witness.

He may be out from under Trump's vendetta, but Pence is still very much a made man in the Republican mob.

[Baitball Blogger]

9. Holy Insurrection, smoking gun evidence.

Slam dunk. It was a conspiracy.

[bottomofthehill]

10. There is no VP Office Complex at the Capitol

Not much of this makes sense.

[Hoyt]

11. Good point. The misinformation on Jan 6th is astounding.

[bottomofthehill]

15. The Joy of the internet.

Thankfully the members of the 1/6 committee were here and know what happened, they will not chase the bullshit and hopefully will get the facts they need.

[VegasVet]

12. Wrong. It may not be a complex, but the Vice President has an office outside the Senate chamber. n/t

[bottomofthehill]

18. there is not access to be removed

the VP does not have an ID issued by the Senate that would open doors for him. Its a nice story, but bullshit.

[VegasVet]

21. Thanks, stranger. I'm sure you know all.

[Mr.Bill]

19. Correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President%27s_Room#:~:text=History,just%20outside%20the%20Senate%20chamber.

Not an "office complex" but the VP does have an office near the Senate chamber. It could easily be argued, I suppose, that it wouldn't have been the safest place to be during the insurrection, though.

[bottomofthehill]

23. and there are no access codes to it

its james bond bullshit that does not exist. another fucking keyboard commando BS story

[Bucky]

46. link to a floor plan for people who have trouble visualizing this story

I'll be straight with you, I don't think having an electronic key to a door for the US Vice President's office is quite "James Bond" territory. It seems like a relatively rudimentary security precaution.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/574af40d2b8ddef6b344f4f5/1477349307511-AUW2V5LUXJ6RVET48VRR/capitol-building-cutaway

[bottomofthehill]

63. The Senate IDs have fake smart chips, it's a picture of a chip

Don’t want to believe me, believe Senator Ron Wyden. He would like the senate to step up its game but it still has not. The link below is from a letter that he wrote 4 years ago. It is still true today. See below they are not PIV cards, Nor PIV-I cards, not really smart on any level, just a picture of a chip. See paragraph 4, again, Senator Wyden, not just me.

https://www.defensedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/post_attachment/163361.pdf

[bottomofthehill]

65. It is in the US Senate

Remember, they still have spittoons on the Floor, change does not come easy to these folks.

[AllyCat]

67. I have keycard access to everywhere I am supposed to be at work

This was Pence’s work. In what universe would he not have access?

[bottomofthehill]

70. In the senate universe.

Traditions are held for a long, long time.

[bottomofthehill]

72. Let's try this, and again I realize it is a little dated but

Things really don’t change in the senate, this is from C-span as you watch the first couple of seconds not the door, there is no card reader on or near it. It does not have one

https://www.c-span.org/video/?192302-5/vice-presidents-ceremonial-office

[Progressive Jones]

61. How the would YOU know that, and WHY would YOU know that? Please tell us. nt

[dsc]

13. Complex might not be right, but the VP does have an office there

as she is President of the Senate.

[bottomofthehill]

20. There is no such thing as access codes to the Senate.

[CatWoman]

30. not the senate, per se

but what about office doors?

I work for the govt. and we have a smart card for gaining entry, logging onto the network, etc.

Perhaps they are referring to that?

[bottomofthehill]

33. the senate is a funny place. they issue a fake smart card with a picture of a chip.

Senator Wyden Commented on it years ago, and it is still true today. the link to the Wyden letter is below.

https://www.defensedaily.com/wp-content/uploads/post_attachment/163361.pdf

See paragraph 4

[fescuerescue]

51. Feel like a fan of Star Trek wrote this.

Seems once a month the computer was disabling someone codes.

[Hoyt]

24. But any office is the last place Pence, or anyone else, wanted to be.

[nilram]

62. "Offices in the Capitol complex"

Read it again. You don’t make sense.

[CatWoman]

64. too many people around here just want to play "gotcha"

no matter the subject

[nilram]

66. Too many people here are playing distortion.

Especially around the events of January 6.

[bottomofthehill]

68. Here is what it says.....

Access had been shut off to the VP Office Complex and the White House as well during the same time frame. That is where the new information I have ends, however, I want to remind everyone of a few publicly available details 4/

[nilram]

71. You're right. I was looking at the /1 tweet where they said

“their offices in the capitol complex“ which set the stage for me. The Vice President of the United States being locked out and left on a loading dock doesn’t make sense, but the story that these tweets tell is coherent, compelling, and needs investigation.

[bottomofthehill]

77. The VP went to the loading dock in case they had to evacuate him

He would not get into the car as the agent driving would have left the capitol to protect him. He did not end up on the Dock because of the non-lockout of his office.

[nilram]

82. Ok, your statements started off with "Not much of this makes sense" and, now,

reading all of your subsequent comments, I can glean that that means you thoroughly disagree with the lockout idea since there are no doors at the Capitol building itself that are restricted using electronic access. Much clearer now.

[bottomofthehill]

83. No one has to believe me, but Ms Plaskett, Impeachment Manager?

From her Impeachment testimony, with time stamp video of him leaving his office. Apparently he had access…..

https://m.

[nilram]

69. What specifically does it make sense to you?

The tweet didn’t say had a complex of offices, it said he and his aides were locked out of their offices in the office complex. He has an office off of the Senate, and in the Eisenhower executive office building.

Knowing that, what specifically doesn’t make sense to you?

[bottomofthehill]

78. That he has no electronic access to his office in the Capitol

Because it does not exist. Not the office in the Capitol as it clearly exists, but there is no electronic access that he was locked out of in the Capitol on 1/6. The tweet said that the VP and his staff were locked out of his office at the capitol because “access was removed”. Access was not removed and he was not locked out as there is no electronic access.

I am saying we need to stop chasing bullshit and focus on following the money, seeing who paid for the insurrection, see who they paid, see what the money was spent on and see who was issuing the orders.

[csziggy]

75. As of 2016 the Vice President had offices in the Capitol and in the Dirksen Senate Office Building

The Ceremonial Office of the Vice President is S–212 in the Capitol. The Vice Presidenthas offices in the Dirksen Senate Office Building, the Eisenhower Executive Office Building (EEOB) and the White House (West Wing).
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CDIR-2016-02-12/pdf/CDIR-2016-02-12-SENATECOMMITTEES-3.pdf

Historically, there has been a Vice President's Room in the Capitol:

The United States Constitution designates the vice president of the United States to serve as president of the Senate and to cast the tie-breaking vote in the case of a deadlock. To carry out these duties, the vice president has long had an office in the Capitol Building, just outside the Senate chamber.
https://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/art/resources/pdf/Vice_President_s_Room.pdf

But Nancy Pelosi revoked it in 2019:

Speaker Pelosi Revokes Vice President Pence's House Office Space

March 12, 20191:40 PM ET

>>>>>>>>>>>

Republicans gave Pence, a former House member, a first-floor bonus office in the U.S. Capitol shortly after President Trump was inaugurated in 2017.

The vice president rarely used the space, but it was a symbolic gesture of the warm relationship Pence enjoyed with Ryan and the House GOP. The vice president serves as the president of the U.S. Senate and historically has been provided an office on the Senate side of the Capitol, which is where Pence more regularly holds court when he visits Congress.

A placard above the door identifying it as Pence's House office was quietly removed in recent weeks. A House Democratic aide confirmed to NPR that the space will be reassigned. "Room assignments are reviewed and changed at the beginning of every Congress," the aide said.

The speaker has sole authority to dole out office space in the Capitol, which is prized real estate for members of leadership and senior staff. While Pelosi revoked Pence's office privileges, the aide said she is providing new office space for the White House legislative affairs team that it did not previously enjoy under the GOP majority.
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/12/702577175/speaker-pelosi-revokes-mike-pences-house-office-space

[bottomofthehill]

79. Yes, but the office that the Speaker pulled is on the House side.

The VP’s constitutional duty is in the Senate not the House. VP Cheney was given a house office when he was the VP, and when Speaker Pelosi came in the first time, it was taken away, when the Republicans took the house back and there was a Republican VP in this case Pence, the office was restored, and when the Speaker came back, she took the House office space away.

That said, the office that he had in the House side did not have electronic assess either.

[Moosepoop]

80. Try this.

BREAKING: EXCLUSIVE: THREAD: Pence, his aides, and staff were locked out of their offices in the capitol complex during the insurrection because their access badges had been DEACTIVATED the morning of the attack, according to sources familiar with the incident 1/

Access had been shut off to the VP Office Complex and the White House as well during the same time frame.

The "VP Complex" is in reference to the offices of the VP and staff at the Eisenhower Building. Indeed, there was, and is, a set of offices in that building for the VP and his/her staff.

Access to the Eisenhower Building and the White House was cut off IN ADDITION to the cutoff at the Capitol, during the same time frame.

That's how I read it, anyway.

[Irish_Dem]

14. Same people who took out office panic buttons belonging to Congressional Dems?

[Mr. Ected]

25. What a gutless, soulless piece of shit Mike Pence is

He'd let all of this go to save his beloved Republican Party from bad press.

Whatever his preacher calls morals is a far cry from what a man of character would tolerate.

[FakeNoose]

54. Mike Pence was one of the very few who refused to play along with Chump's plan

He wasn't gutless on January 6th, that's for sure. He stood up to Chump and told him that he would NOT mess with the Electoral certification process.

Chump demanded that Pence refuse to allow the electors from enough states (the swing states) so that the Electoral College wouldn't be able to certify the election. The Repukes' plan was to have it go back to those certain swing states (WI, PA, MI and a few others), and the state legislatures would then vote for Chump as the Potus and the 2020 election would be overturned. It all hinged on Mike Pence (as President of the Senate) playing along and he REFUSED to do it.

On January 6th, the process on the House floor was interrupted by the Yahoo Insurrection, the Senators and Representatives all left the floor but they stayed hidden in the building. They could have run off to safety but they hung in there - including Pence - and waited for the Yahoos to be cleared out. Then they went back in and finished the electoral process and certified the results of the 2020 election after midnight on Jan. 7th. That meant it was over for Chump.

It didn't have to come to that, if Mike Pence had at any time during Chump's term started the 25th Amendment, but he didn't. And he never would. So in that way, yes he was gutless.

[Ohio Joe]

27. I don't think I'm buying this...

It does not make a lot of sense... This loading dock they speak of is in the secure basement area the SS took Pence, they would not have let him even attempt to leave until it was over, much less go to his offices... If he even had any at the Capitol. It was almost certainly not his badge that was deactivated but rather the badge readers, I expect no badges worked... And... are they saying the VP has to badge in and out of the White House? I don't think so... And since they were in the secure area, how would they know if anything worked or not at the White House?

Comes across as conspiracy non-sense to me.

[brooklynite]

28. Not something to blame Trump for...

This is a CONGRESSIONAL Door pass. The Executive Branch doesn't control anything at the Capitol.

FWIW - it's possible that some or all door passes were deactivated once the incursion occurred to protect people sheltering from potential risk, in case the intruders had been able to obtain a door pass.

[world wide wally]

32. The USA has never had a bigger coward than Pence serving in the Gov't.

[Ford_Prefect]

36. Sorry to disagree on a fine point but Dan Quayle just may out-qualify him.

Pence would certainly be first among whining arrogant religious jerks in that office.

[Bucky]

47. I'm still picturing Lindsay Graham squealing "start shooting them!" to the Senate security staff

Graham's a military veteran. He should know better. You don't unleash a hail of lead into a boisterous mob when you don't know the other side's intentions or firepower. Dude freaked out and did not keep a cool head under pressure. Thank god the Republicans never nominated him for president.

[gab13by13]

35. I'm still "patiently" waiting to find out who authorized Capitol tours to traitors.

Maybe it's too partisan?

[LNM]

37. I would think that if the Capitol were under attack

everyone would be locked out of the White House.

[ananda]

48. I don't really care because Pence is such a stupid asshole..

that he never really separated himself from Trump or
the Trumpers, even though they fucking wanted to
kill him.

[Joinfortmill]

49. Wow. WTF.

[Peachhead22]

50. Could be a routine security measure

In case someone unauthorized got ahold of one of the access cards or other credentials. But this is definitely curious as hell and I hope not just the 1/6 committee is looking into it as well as the FBI. Nothing about that day is routine.

[ProfessorGAC]

60. Thought The Same

And, they may have it set up that a key would still work. Just not the mag lock.
Our emergency drills did that. All the doors to the site lock down. Same to any limited access areas.
But, those of us with access to those restricted areas also had a key. Just in case.
We never had a true emergency, but we drilled every year.

[Champp]

53. Republicans planned to murder the US Vice President

of their own party.

Hello Republicans: Do not kill.

Have you ever seen that message anywhere?

[Bucky]

74. The source of that directive is a little bit inconsistent about how & when it's to be applied.

[sciencescience]

56. Sounds strange, only one anonymous source, I'd like to see this corroborated before

just going with it

[Tetrachloride]

58. Agree. Need another source

As to the security measures of the physical offices of high officials, I would think there is much unsaid.

[bottomofthehill]

73. Here is the bigger point

It is a distraction from the real facts. Follow the money, see who paid for the insurrection, see who they paid, find out who was issuing the orders. This is a nonsense side issue, but facts matter and this is factually incorrect.

Follow what matters