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mcar

(42,334 posts)
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 04:35 PM Nov 2021

Max Cleland Did Not Deserve What Rick Wilson Did to Him

Max Cleland Did Not Deserve What Rick Wilson Did to Him
The former Georgia senator died Tuesday at age 79. His political career was a harbinger of things to come.

By Charles P. Pierce
Nov 9, 2021

In 1999, I went to Washington to work on a profile of John McCain for this magazine. One of the interviews I set up was with Senator Max Cleland, Democrat of Georgia. Cleland was a friend of McCain’s. Both of them were Vietnam-era veterans, and both of them had come out of that fiasco severely damaged—McCain from having been tortured, and Cleland from having lost both legs and one arm to a grenade outside of Khe Sanh. He had made a life and political career for himself. He was ferocious fighter for veterans and for the rights of the disabled. He’d been elected to the Senate in 1997 to replace Sam Nunn....

Max Cleland died on Tuesday at the age of 79. He had been ill for some time. He had not been in the Senate since January of 2003, and thereby hangs a lesson for our current political moment.

In the wake of the terrorist attacks of 2001, you may recall that President George W. Bush, installed by the Supreme Court after losing the popular vote by half a million, had called for national unity in the face of a monstrous tragedy. By and large, he got it. However, his political operation, run by the execrable Karl Rove, looked at the nearly 3,000 dead Americans and saw an arsenal of political weapons they could use in the midterm elections of 2002....

Rove called on an ambitious conservative ad man named Rick Wilson to put together one of the most scurrilous attack ads since Lee Atwater gave Willie Horton his turn at centerstage. The ad opened with pictures of Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, and the point of the ad was that Max Cleland, who left half his body in a war zone, lacked the gumption to "lead" during the time of terror.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a38201636/max-cleland-obituary-attack-ad-republicans/

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Max Cleland Did Not Deserve What Rick Wilson Did to Him (Original Post) mcar Nov 2021 OP
We needed more time with him in the Senate. Cracklin Charlie Nov 2021 #1
It was disgusting and apparently affected him very negatively mcar Nov 2021 #2
Love you Max. RIP. Funtatlaguy Nov 2021 #3
And to hell with Saxby Chambliss for going along with Rove and Wilson. SYFROYH Nov 2021 #4
Shameless Chambliss Prof. Toru Tanaka Nov 2021 #7
K; R CatWoman Nov 2021 #5
Rick Wilson is a dirty fighter. zuul Nov 2021 #6
Jesus, I never knew that Rick Wilson had been in on that. PlanetBev Nov 2021 #9
I didn't know that either Hekate Nov 2021 #10
Wilson swiftboated John Kerry. zuul Nov 2021 #22
Same. That was one of the most F-ed up ads I've ever seen budkin Nov 2021 #13
Wilson swiftboated John Kerry. zuul Nov 2021 #23
Rick Wilson was one of the pubes zuul Nov 2021 #21
Same here. Never watch or listen to any discussion in which he participates. Raven123 Nov 2021 #14
Voters who casually dumped or even turned against him did it. Hortensis Nov 2021 #8
Another powerful essay by Charlie Pierce Hekate Nov 2021 #11
May he Rest In Peace. I have mentioned him in several posts tulipsandroses Nov 2021 #12
Rick Wilson was a dick, there's no doubt about it FakeNoose Nov 2021 #15
Has he ever apologized? mcar Nov 2021 #16
Exactly what I was wondering. The fuckwad who came up the Willie Horton..... EarnestPutz Nov 2021 #24
Wilson was in on the swiftboating of John Kerry. zuul Nov 2021 #25
Max Cleland & Don Siegelman both got "Roved" and "Diebolded" in 2002 Botany Nov 2021 #17
True that. Diebold voting machines did the trick. nt oasis Nov 2021 #28
K & R jalan48 Nov 2021 #18
Yet another example of Republicans dumping on US Veterans Champp Nov 2021 #19
I remember it well. JoeOtterbein Nov 2021 #20
And Georgia swallowed that disgusting bag of lies. Hulk Nov 2021 #26
Fuck Rick Wilson n/m BradAllison Nov 2021 #27
K&R UTUSN Nov 2021 #29

zuul

(14,627 posts)
6. Rick Wilson is a dirty fighter.
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 05:15 PM
Nov 2021

Always has been. I know lots of folks like that he hates and attacks TFG but Wilson is a dangerous prick and I will never trust him.

PlanetBev

(4,104 posts)
9. Jesus, I never knew that Rick Wilson had been in on that.
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 06:04 PM
Nov 2021

I’ll never look at him the same way now.

zuul

(14,627 posts)
21. Rick Wilson was one of the pubes
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 07:25 PM
Nov 2021

who ‘swift-boated’ John Kerry. He’s as dirty as they come.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Voters who casually dumped or even turned against him did it.
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 05:50 PM
Nov 2021

Cleland spent years seeing it happen to others. He apparently didn't foresee how devastated he would be by going from U.S. senator with a purpose to "you're fired" in such short order.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
11. Another powerful essay by Charlie Pierce
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 06:14 PM
Nov 2021

Some of it I knew. The pieces I didn’t know still had the power to shock me.



tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
12. May he Rest In Peace. I have mentioned him in several posts
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 06:15 PM
Nov 2021

As an example that we Democrats cannot waste time thinking about what the right will use against us. It will always be something. It is a fool’s errand to talk about this cause hurt us or that cause hurt us. If they can’t find something, they will make it up.
It seems absurd today that a draft dodger beat a Vietnam vet who gave his life and limbs in service to this country.
But that is the Republican propaganda machine. It worked as a well oiled machine to convince people that Saxy Chambliss, a draft dodger would protect the country and a Vietnam war hero would not.


FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
15. Rick Wilson was a dick, there's no doubt about it
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 07:02 PM
Nov 2021

I believe he has cleaned up his act. At least I hope he has. But the way he treated Max Cleland was unforgivable. Senator Cleland wasn't the only Democrat who voted to invade Iraq in 2001. We know there were others, and we know that Hillary Clinton was one of them. Many lived to regret that vote.

But that's neither here nor there. Senator Max Cleland deserved the honor and respect that any wounded war veteran deserves, and he didn't get it. I don't think Rick Wilson or anyone else ever apologized either.

EarnestPutz

(2,120 posts)
24. Exactly what I was wondering. The fuckwad who came up the Willie Horton.....
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 07:27 PM
Nov 2021

.....attack ads later apologized, but it was cause he was dying of cancer, so fuck him too.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
17. Max Cleland & Don Siegelman both got "Roved" and "Diebolded" in 2002
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 07:07 PM
Nov 2021

When Siegelman went to bed he thought he had won re-election but got up and saw
"funny numbers" and complained so Rove had a crooked judge send him to jail for
talking about the rat fucking and Max had Diebold flip the election to Chambliss.

I hadn't heard about Rick Wilson until now.

Champp

(2,114 posts)
19. Yet another example of Republicans dumping on US Veterans
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 07:16 PM
Nov 2021

The record is full of examples. They shit on our vets whenever they think they can grab something of value, like power. And the Republican leader made plain what he things of our Veterans and our war dead. He called them "suckers" and "losers."

So shameful.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
26. And Georgia swallowed that disgusting bag of lies.
Tue Nov 9, 2021, 07:32 PM
Nov 2021

Voters need to be held accountable too....just like the dumb ass, ignorant Virginia voters who got their panties in a bind over CRT...that isn't even being taught in their schools.

Paranoid, gullible fools.

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