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Baitball Blogger

(46,736 posts)
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:17 AM Nov 2021

Rittenhouse didn't just illegally bring a gun to a volatile area, he lied about being an EMT.

Just how much leverage do you give an adolescent to make mistakes that lead to the death of people around him? That is almost rhetorical, given that we had a case a few years ago that successfully pleaded a case of Affluenza. But, Rittenhouse isn't from a rich family. His best defense is that he's white and this involved protesters that conservatives don't like. He might not be charged with murder, but there has to be consequences for what he did, or it's open house on double standards.

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Rittenhouse didn't just illegally bring a gun to a volatile area, he lied about being an EMT. (Original Post) Baitball Blogger Nov 2021 OP
He's not rich. But he has powerful right wing hate-group money behind him Walleye Nov 2021 #1
Kyle Rittenhouse bikernks Nov 2021 #2
Wow that is a different story from what I'm hearing. I feel sorry for his mom if that's the case Walleye Nov 2021 #4
The mom had nothing to do with it. Sympthsical Nov 2021 #13
Thanks for clearing that up. That makes it a different story.Blame it on the older boys. Walleye Nov 2021 #15
The mother drove a minor with a deadly weapon obtained illegally across state lines Pachamama Nov 2021 #5
No, she didn't Yarnie Nov 2021 #12
Link please. jimfields33 Nov 2021 #18
No, she didn't. nt BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #22
Link? Champp Nov 2021 #6
almost like the narritive Chille Nov 2021 #9
No link, no can have confidence in the counter assertion Champp Nov 2021 #17
He testified he went there for the riots. MrsCoffee Nov 2021 #10
Who are you going to believe? Effete Snob Nov 2021 #14
He testified yesterday that he drove from his job mcar Nov 2021 #24
One count of intentional homicide, one of reckless homicide and one of attempted homicide, Alexander Of Assyria Nov 2021 #3
Oh WHITT Nov 2021 #7
Many times over. Baitball Blogger Nov 2021 #8
And a lousey actor, I hope that sticks with him for eternity..He will always be laughed at. n/t SheilaAnn Nov 2021 #25
Why would that matter? FBaggins Nov 2021 #11
Yep Effete Snob Nov 2021 #16
It matters. There is a terrible precedent being set where young white men are allowed Baitball Blogger Nov 2021 #20
Impeaching a defendant's credibility is a court strategy. Baitball Blogger Nov 2021 #19
Of course... but there's video. FBaggins Nov 2021 #21
And unfortunately, one of the men he shot also had a gun. In his hand. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #23
There will be no murder conviction Claire Oh Nette Nov 2021 #26
It's possible for a prostitute to be raped FBaggins Nov 2021 #27

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
1. He's not rich. But he has powerful right wing hate-group money behind him
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:19 AM
Nov 2021

Of course I think his mom should be charged with something too. Reckless endangerment at least

 

bikernks

(7 posts)
2. Kyle Rittenhouse
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:22 AM
Nov 2021

Was not taken out of state by his Mom to participate in the riots. He was in Kenosha because that’s where his Dad lives and he was visiting him. Dude is a shithead but his Mom had nothing to do with this. I don’t know why, for the life of me, this rumor that his Mom drove him there and gave him the gun, won’t go away. Part of me thinks it’s because some people don’t want it to go away.

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
4. Wow that is a different story from what I'm hearing. I feel sorry for his mom if that's the case
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:24 AM
Nov 2021

She obviously loves the boy he’s well taken care of

Sympthsical

(9,074 posts)
13. The mom had nothing to do with it.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:41 AM
Nov 2021

People keep saying "out of state" or "crossing state lines" for some reason, and I don't know why. It makes it sound like he came from far away to insert himself into Kenosha. He lived twenty miles away from Kenosha. His father lived there. His job was there. Antioch is literally along the Wisconsin state line.

I think the state line thing started because people thought the gun was in Illinois. It wasn't. Rittenhouse's friend stored the gun in Wisconsin.

I think somewhere very early on in the story, one aspect got mixed in. Rittenhouse's mother drove him to the police station to turn himself in - that is true. And that grew into a story about how his mother drove him to the protest.

His mother driving him to the protest and a gun crossing state lines are two things that were disproved very, very early on, but the narrative ran with it and just won't let it die. It's not a good look, because it says a lot of people haven't read simple, easily researched facts about the case before spreading misinformation.

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
15. Thanks for clearing that up. That makes it a different story.Blame it on the older boys.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:46 AM
Nov 2021

And blame it on the kid. He’s showing absolutely no remorse or sympathy for the people he killed and their families. Sociopath is right

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
5. The mother drove a minor with a deadly weapon obtained illegally across state lines
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:27 AM
Nov 2021

Explain to me how she has nothing to do with this…

 

Yarnie

(90 posts)
12. No, she didn't
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:40 AM
Nov 2021

And, the weapon didn't cross state lines. It had been in the possession of a friend in Wisconsin.

Champp

(2,114 posts)
6. Link?
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:27 AM
Nov 2021

Please provide a link to the information you are citing, since it runs counter to the widely held narrative.

Champp

(2,114 posts)
17. No link, no can have confidence in the counter assertion
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:51 AM
Nov 2021

Too much propaganda nowadays. Claims require evidence (N.B. Republicans still in an intimate and toxic embrace with THE BIG LIE).

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
10. He testified he went there for the riots.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:30 AM
Nov 2021

Mr Rittenhouse said on the stand he was in town because he had seen the destruction caused by the unrest. In particular, he mentioned seeing on social media that a police officer had a brick thrown at his head.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59239853

mcar

(42,334 posts)
24. He testified yesterday that he drove from his job
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:36 AM
Nov 2021

to his friend's house in Kenosha. Of course, he had to admit that he doesn't have a drivers license but drove all the time anyway.

So, we have a 17YO who is home-schooled, has no drivers license but drives anyway, gets friends to buy him weapons and pretends to be a cop/EMT/firefighter.

Oh, and he also lied about being in nursing school.

I kind of think his mother either couldn't control him or was shielding him because he's mentally ill.

Baitball Blogger

(46,736 posts)
8. Many times over.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:30 AM
Nov 2021

I would be sick to my stomach if I were a juror in that court and discovered that information after the verdict.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
11. Why would that matter?
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:37 AM
Nov 2021

Prosecutors should feel free to charge him with impersonating an EMT if that’s a crime.

But it isn’t going to help them prove murder.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
16. Yep
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:49 AM
Nov 2021

Rittenhouse was up to no good, but if the point is that every teenager who embellishes and lies is a murderer, then we're going to need some pretty big prisons.

I'm not steeped in the twists and turns of this thing, but it tangential erodes his credibility, if that matters.

Baitball Blogger

(46,736 posts)
20. It matters. There is a terrible precedent being set where young white men are allowed
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:04 AM
Nov 2021

Last edited Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:48 AM - Edit history (1)

to be reckless murderers. It doesn't pair well with the incitement to violence that is going on in the right.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
21. Of course... but there's video.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:27 AM
Nov 2021

No problem proving that he thought more of himself than was justified… or even that he had a vigilante mindset. And there should be little trouble convicting him of violating the age rules for carrying a gun.

But you can’t overcome reasonable doubt on a murder charge when the video shows him running away until the person chasing him tries to grab his gun. Add a prosecution witness that tells the jury that the chaser literally threatened his life?

Impeaching his credibility just doesn’t get you anywhere in the face of the video and the prosecution’s own witnesses

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
23. And unfortunately, one of the men he shot also had a gun. In his hand.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:31 AM
Nov 2021

These stupid fools think guns make them more manly. I doubt any of them learn from this.

Claire Oh Nette

(2,636 posts)
26. There will be no murder conviction
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 01:32 PM
Nov 2021

because Rittenhouse has not been charged with murder. He's charged with First-degree reckless homicide, and illegal use of dangerous weapons charges.

He'll be convicted on the illegal gun possession charges--Rittenhouse testified he brought the AR-15 because it was his Right, and the Prosecutor shot that down--he was a child, not an adult. It was illegal to have that weapon, and he knew it. He admitted to asking his pal to make a straw purchase.

His medic/property protector defense is fabricated bullshit. He's a liar, and another home schooled poster boy. He's guilty on all charges, as he inserted himself into a situation then created the very threats to his own life that he feared. Real life turned out not to be just like Call of Duty. The judge is the biggest deterrent to justice in the case.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
27. It's possible for a prostitute to be raped
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 04:01 PM
Nov 2021

You can’t say “he shouldn’t have been there and he shouldn’t have a weapon… therefore he can’t claim self defense”


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