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packman

(16,296 posts)
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:51 AM Nov 2021

How stupid is Trump - Interesting article

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Trump's stupidity, his inability to accept his own loss in the election, his withdrawal into a fantasy reality in which he could reverse the results, and his willingness to listen to other morons who encouraged that idiocy — all of these things are deeply intertwined. It's true a less foolhardy Republican president would be more competent at governing. But this president would also be far more capable of accepting a political loss, not to mention other inconvenient aspects of reality. When it comes to evaluating fitness for high political office, such a capacity should be considered an absolute bare minimum.

We have trouble acknowledging this because it's challenging to grasp the depth and precise character of Trump's imbecility. It's not that he lacks an education, or that he doesn't have certain talents in abundance — above all, the ability to tap into and exploit the prejudices and fears of a culturally alienated and resentful segment of the electorate. Trump's stupidity has different sources. It arises from emotional defects. He is so incapable of accepting failure that he warps reality around himself, constructing alternatives to the way the world is and then plunging into them, no matter how fantastically daft they happen to be. That makes Trump's idiocy next of kin to outright delusion.

https://theweek.com/politics/1006906/trump-the-idiot
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How stupid is Trump - Interesting article (Original Post) packman Nov 2021 OP
He's never had to deal with the struggles of most people,he's never really had to solve any problems Walleye Nov 2021 #1
THIS. Justice matters. Nov 2021 #9
:) If lack of economic struggle caused severe personality disorder (plus ?), Hortensis Nov 2021 #77
Yes true. But I was thinking of how his intelligence never really developed Walleye Nov 2021 #79
Missing some normal expanding experiences, sure. Hortensis Nov 2021 #82
Yes he does seem to be born with an awful cruel mean streak. And missing any shred of empathy Walleye Nov 2021 #83
Missing pieces, yes! Apparently missing a conscience is Hortensis Nov 2021 #84
Revenge is his whole reason for living.I'm starting to think it's the same for his followers Walleye Nov 2021 #85
The author had me at: underpants Nov 2021 #2
+1 n/t FSogol Nov 2021 #5
Best one I have seen in a long time. brer cat Nov 2021 #12
Stupidity seems to be something of a prerequisite for Repub presidents of the last 40 years. thenelm1 Nov 2021 #18
Look at the VPs and VP candidates: Quayle and Palin. Patterson Nov 2021 #31
Front men for the people who really wnylib Nov 2021 #67
It's the latest geometric theorem for defining a straight line(though downward). jaxexpat Nov 2021 #76
+2 NoSheep Nov 2021 #30
Then why are we on the verge of losing this nation to him and his "reality"? SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2021 #35
good question Demovictory9 Nov 2021 #73
One of the best ever. mahina Nov 2021 #69
An entire political team in America is deplorably delusional sanatanadharma Nov 2021 #3
it's the party of limbaugh now. they have a much greater fear of uncertainty than liberals. certainot Nov 2021 #45
How deep is the ocean, how high is the sky? Buns_of_Fire Nov 2021 #4
how many roses are covered in dew? mopinko Nov 2021 #7
In other words malaise Nov 2021 #6
! LudwigPastorius Nov 2021 #64
Ha : malaise Nov 2021 #74
Yet he lives in a mansion and golfs everyday in sunny 79 degree weather. Jon King Nov 2021 #8
Try to find a sunny side to the gloom Submariner Nov 2021 #25
Ha - I love the imagery of this happening packman Nov 2021 #27
It's hard to imagine anything more appropriately symbolic of his "contributions" to this country! ShazzieB Nov 2021 #40
That would certainly be... 3catwoman3 Nov 2021 #48
I've always thought TFG getting a lethal lightning strike Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2021 #52
Florida. Gator got your daddy. Chomp. Chomp chomp. Buns_of_Fire Nov 2021 #71
Don't forget the Georgia case, and NY. alfredo Nov 2021 #63
Stating the Obvious is becoming grist for money mill msfiddlestix Nov 2021 #10
I don't know - do you? packman Nov 2021 #13
No. If I did I would have included it. But it might be worth checking into.. msfiddlestix Nov 2021 #14
Warning us about a moron being president treestar Nov 2021 #81
Characteristics of many a ruler raised on privilege and wealth over the centuries bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #11
Reverse the results? Well, the execution was stupid on a level of the.... paleotn Nov 2021 #15
He is not stupid. He is mentally ill Ray Bruns Nov 2021 #16
Truth. n/t sarge43 Nov 2021 #23
I agree with you. JohnnyRingo Nov 2021 #24
Good points. ShazzieB Nov 2021 #43
I agree. I don't think he is stupid. He ain't no genius, but his personality disorder controls him. Midnight Writer Nov 2021 #57
Trump is skilled at being manipulative and self promotion Johonny Nov 2021 #17
Not at all stupid.... zentrum Nov 2021 #19
Chump is unable to see how he has been used by calculating right-wing manipulators FakeNoose Nov 2021 #20
Centuries of well-deserved historical condemnation range before us. Paladin Nov 2021 #21
And that is not the tuna, those are the cans that have more intellect and decency than trump. Escurumbele Nov 2021 #29
MENDACITY vs STUPIDITY Martin Eden Nov 2021 #22
Oh I dunno.. ya think? TeamProg Nov 2021 #26
My comment on the article... Escurumbele Nov 2021 #28
I have to question whether he is stupid... jmbar2 Nov 2021 #32
The Trump of today isn't the same as the Trump of yesteryear. Kaleva Nov 2021 #70
Saying Trump is stupid is probably true. This idea lulls us to sleep, though. Politicub Nov 2021 #33
Exactly. IMO he's still winning most things. I'm not seeing the victorys OverBurn Nov 2021 #51
I think he acts like he is stupid. twodogsbarking Nov 2021 #34
Don't call him stupid. Grins Nov 2021 #36
I agree. nt iemanja Nov 2021 #54
I just want him BlueMTexpat Nov 2021 #37
why ask why azureblue Nov 2021 #38
It's Steve Bannon, Robert Mercer and Vladimir Putin's world... zaj Nov 2021 #39
Bannon takes money from Robert Mercer and other billionaires FakeNoose Nov 2021 #55
Cunning doesn't require intelligence. QED. n/t dobleremolque Nov 2021 #41
Donald J Trump was the dumbest GD student I ever had OMGWTF Nov 2021 #42
He's cunning. Kingofalldems Nov 2021 #44
We've got this idea that "stupid" is "the worst thing to be" gulliver Nov 2021 #46
Kick. N/T Upthevibe Nov 2021 #47
What does it say about Democrats & the media then? NewJeffCT Nov 2021 #49
the media will do anything for ratings because it means $$$$$ Skittles Nov 2021 #61
Trump is the asshole frat boy character in Animal House come to life. Tommymac Nov 2021 #50
Trump has a certain genius iemanja Nov 2021 #53
His Niece, Mary Trump, is a psychologist Mr.Bill Nov 2021 #56
K&R Scurrilous Nov 2021 #58
"The puffed up persona of mediocrity" ymetca Nov 2021 #59
there's nothing remarkable about any of this Skittles Nov 2021 #60
bump XRubicon Nov 2021 #62
His supporters aren't the brightest, either. Rhiannon12866 Nov 2021 #65
He fancies himself an expert on select, cherry-picked topics... Blue Owl Nov 2021 #66
Trump will go down in history Aussie105 Nov 2021 #68
he's convinced millions to join him in his stupidity Demovictory9 Nov 2021 #72
The real question is "How stupid are Trump supporters?" SouthernDem4ever Nov 2021 #75
And yet, countless millions would reinstall him back into power next week, bullwinkle428 Nov 2021 #78
How stupid is society in general to refuse this lesson about personality disorders? Hortensis Nov 2021 #80

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
1. He's never had to deal with the struggles of most people,he's never really had to solve any problems
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:54 AM
Nov 2021

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
77. :) If lack of economic struggle caused severe personality disorder (plus ?),
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 09:21 AM
Nov 2021

tRump would be indistinguishable among a hundred million Americans.

Oh. Well... Let's not dive down that one even if it currently seems like it.

It does occur to me that he's never had to stand in lines like most people. Those could be considered struggles he's missed.

Notably, though, researchers have not identifiedhaving to go to work, juggling bills, and standing in lines as underlying causes of personality disorders. Now, childhood traumas, abuse including sexual and verbal among others, genetics, yes.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
82. Missing some normal expanding experiences, sure.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 11:20 AM
Nov 2021

It's not that normal life doesn't help people develop. But privileged lives produce their own expanding experiences, and those tend to produce some useful anxiety and stress also.

Intellectually, though, tRump's privileged world has always been far larger than most people's, with many more interesting, mind-expanding experiences, including everyday exposures to the kind of intelligent, high functioning people who find their way to those levels of society. Kids who grow up with real estate magnate fathers and to top schools that demand performance usually have a big advantage in intellectual (or at least fund of knowledge) development over kids whose fathers drive forklifts or process healthcare claims. But not Donnie.

And the same for adulthood. Millions/billions of people do the same relatively simple jobs each day for years, go home to the same home, same weekend activities, same shows on the TV, same local circle of friends. It's wonderful that we can be very happy with those lives, but privileged lives normally come with greater intellectual stimulation, much greater variety of experiences, higher levels of expected performance, and more new challenges. Also greater happiness-producing feelings of security. Most privileged people do fine in spite of their deficit of inadequate-income struggle. Not tRump.

Let's face it, privileged lives just don't correlate with greater numbers of socio/psychopaths. tRump's family is not typical.

Bottom line, I just can't imagine that tRump'd be a normal, unstupid person if Fred tRump did drive a forklift and Donnie had to work (struggle) to save enough money to train for a welder's certificate before settling happily into the normal struggles of family life. Or that he'd consider doing that for a moment when he could prey on people instead, a skill he started developing as a child.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
84. Missing pieces, yes! Apparently missing a conscience is
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 12:40 PM
Nov 2021

typical of psychopaths, for just one part of a normal person.

If adults accepted that common personality disorders were very real, more people might have wondered if they were seeing pathological levels of vindictiveness and cruelty combining with megalomania, rage -- and the power of the presidency.

People who see him as essentially normal but badly behaving of course wouldn't wonder if he's been exacting vicious revenge on an entire nation for disrespecting him, perhaps especially "his people" who've been failing him constantly. tRump has always been obsessed with revenge and raled about the need to retaliate many times harder. His public statements have frequently revealed an eagerness for violence completely lacking the constraints of humanity.

So might "stupidity" in handling the pandemic, and mishandling of many smaller problems, be something dreadfully more if what we were seeing was a vicious psychopath "getting even 15 times harder"?

Speaking of his people, how about unhinged vengefulness of a leader bent on both destruction and power reflected in 50 million obedient followers currently turned against everyone else?

Walleye

(31,028 posts)
85. Revenge is his whole reason for living.I'm starting to think it's the same for his followers
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 02:33 PM
Nov 2021

The problem is they’re getting back at us for things that have only happened in their imagination

underpants

(182,826 posts)
2. The author had me at:
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:04 AM
Nov 2021

Donald Trump is many things, but he is first and foremost a moron.

Great opening line

thenelm1

(854 posts)
18. Stupidity seems to be something of a prerequisite for Repub presidents of the last 40 years.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:45 AM
Nov 2021

I mean Reagan and Shrub? Both mental midgets. And each one in turn is dumber than the last.

jaxexpat

(6,833 posts)
76. It's the latest geometric theorem for defining a straight line(though downward).
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 08:53 AM
Nov 2021

A downward sloped straight line is the connection of the vertically charted IQ of Republican presidential candidates along their timeline. It's useful for pre-explanation of how the GOP will run a planarian as their 2040 candidate. This, after running a congressman from Texas, an actual elephant and a rather intelligent praying mantis (Not necessarily in that order and the congressman still contends the planarian cheated on his shape placement exam).

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,123 posts)
35. Then why are we on the verge of losing this nation to him and his "reality"?
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 01:10 PM
Nov 2021

Think back to Jamuary 20, 2017. He sent little Sean Spicer out to lie about the crowd size of the inaugural, as he lied about all crowd sizes. Then he proceeded to thrive on regular rallies no other president would dare have while in office. Why? Because he isn't a politician and his idiot followers have no clue about proper protocol or what true patriotism is. Or that Hitler was likely his inspiration.

Given the state of the formerly Grand Old Party, who are the morons?

mahina

(17,665 posts)
69. One of the best ever.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 03:21 AM
Nov 2021

Right up there with “it was the best of times it was the worst of times.”

sanatanadharma

(3,707 posts)
3. An entire political team in America is deplorably delusional
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:05 AM
Nov 2021

An entire political team in America is deplorably delusional.
They warp reality around themselves, constructing alternate worlds of desire, belief and illusion, then claiming to be the only ones who know truth, they plunge into self-deceptions no matter how fantastically daft they happen to be.

Some are deluded, most are delusional, claiming truth to be non-existent and the imaginary to be reality.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
45. it's the party of limbaugh now. they have a much greater fear of uncertainty than liberals.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 01:52 PM
Nov 2021

the sex on the wrong brain theory suggests most humans have some of that but some humans have inherited a greater susceptibility to it because it benefited their ancestors more in terms of competition and survival in crowded environments, as opposed to more natural less crowded environments (ie. old world Columbus vs new world natives).

two of the symptoms are the Certainty Deficit Disorder (CDD) and greed. authoritarians have an irrational fear uncertainty so bad that they crave ideologies and leaders to create certainty. since nothing is certain they are driven by fear of nature's unpredictability, 'chaos', disorder, etc., to learn to deny reality.

the reaction to climate change is an example. it's easier for those with bad sowb to deny global warming outright than to accept and contemplate the uncertainties, complications, changes, challenges, and opportunities it represents.

it was a design flaw - humans have a brain with two hemispheres that interact and have some functional specialization, and two hands, but only one sexual organ. we just need some sex ed

Buns_of_Fire

(17,181 posts)
4. How deep is the ocean, how high is the sky?
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:09 AM
Nov 2021

If daddy hadn't left him $400 million, he wouldn't qualify as a third-shift manager at the local hamburder joint.

Ronald McDonald may be a clown, but he's got standards.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
8. Yet he lives in a mansion and golfs everyday in sunny 79 degree weather.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:30 AM
Nov 2021

And never pays any price for a lifetime of ripping people off. America, go figure.

Submariner

(12,504 posts)
25. Try to find a sunny side to the gloom
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 12:16 PM
Nov 2021

what I do when I hear he is out golfing, is cherish the thought that maybe, just maybe, a jet on runway approach over one of his golf courses will drop one of those giant blue chemical toilet icebergs and crush his flabby ass dead on the back nine.

ShazzieB

(16,420 posts)
40. It's hard to imagine anything more appropriately symbolic of his "contributions" to this country!
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 01:33 PM
Nov 2021

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
52. I've always thought TFG getting a lethal lightning strike
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 03:30 PM
Nov 2021

on the golf course would be poetic justice. And with no one to blame but TFG himself & God.

With your scenario, the pilot, the airline--and, somehow Hillary and/or Obama--would be blamed.

However, it is otherwise an even more fitting demise for that pos. I vote yes!

Buns_of_Fire

(17,181 posts)
71. Florida. Gator got your daddy. Chomp. Chomp chomp.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 03:48 AM
Nov 2021

By Executive Order, Governor Ron DeShithead would proclaim that Trump International Country Club in Lantana would henceforth be known as the Trump Memorial International Alligator Preserve.

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
63. Don't forget the Georgia case, and NY.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 09:46 PM
Nov 2021

The fads take forever to act. If a Republican wins in 2024, he will be pardoned of all federal convictions.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
10. Stating the Obvious is becoming grist for money mill
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:34 AM
Nov 2021

I wonder what the pay is for publishing an Op-Ed with content that's been written a million times before by just about as many writers?

hmm...

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
14. No. If I did I would have included it. But it might be worth checking into..
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:38 AM
Nov 2021

apparently it's a lucrative business.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
81. Warning us about a moron being president
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 11:05 AM
Nov 2021

Is something we just experienced. We kicked him out, not liking it. So why we would return him again to the WH being a worry is mysterious.

bucolic_frolic

(43,177 posts)
11. Characteristics of many a ruler raised on privilege and wealth over the centuries
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:35 AM
Nov 2021

"that history book on the shelf, it keeps repeating itself!" - ABBA

500 years after the Enlightenment we are still grappling with how to reign in hierarchies and executive power in all its manifestations. We're like giant ant or bee colonies. There's always a pyramidal social and ruling structure. The subconscious and the collective unconscious intertwined and predestined.

paleotn

(17,931 posts)
15. Reverse the results? Well, the execution was stupid on a level of the....
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:40 AM
Nov 2021

beer hall putsch taking over the government of Bavaria. The idea, however, isn't delusional or stupid, just poorly executed this time. With the right planning and support, it very well could have succeeded. And 1/3 to 40% of the populace would support it wholeheartedly.

Ray Bruns

(4,098 posts)
16. He is not stupid. He is mentally ill
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:40 AM
Nov 2021

"It arises from emotional defects. He is so incapable of accepting failure that he warps reality around himself, constructing alternatives to the way the world is and then plunging into them, no matter how fantastically daft they happen to be."

That is not stupidity. It is narcissistic personality disorder.

JohnnyRingo

(18,636 posts)
24. I agree with you.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 12:15 PM
Nov 2021

It's too easy to brand Trump at once as an evil genius and a simple minded jack ass. Pick one.
I believe the traits people mistake as idiocy stem from an illness that disallows him from seeing reality.

As evidence I recall just 5 years ago when he was campaigning. He was able to construct meaningful sentences and thoughts. His personality won over millions who saw themselves in him. It was when things started going to hell that he seemed to lose touch and state absurdities that could be mistaken for stupidity.

No, DJT is smart and crafty at the things he does, it's just that governing isn't one of those things.

ShazzieB

(16,420 posts)
43. Good points.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 01:47 PM
Nov 2021

I agree that his mental illness (malignant narcissism) prevents him from using whatever intellect he has in an effective way. I also believe that his intellect is average at most, and probably on the low side of that (based on what we know of his educational history). It's a deadly combination for the office he held (and wants to hold again), in which high level decision-making skills are of critical importance.

Johonny

(20,851 posts)
17. Trump is skilled at being manipulative and self promotion
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:44 AM
Nov 2021

However, he's very much a one act pony. His bit wore thin on me early in 2016. The one bit is all he's got and it's not even very convincing. Is he stupid, he's as dumb as a rock. I mean, he knows next to nothing about any subject not related to himself.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
19. Not at all stupid....
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:45 AM
Nov 2021

....in the way the article says. Trump knows he lost. In the same way the Tobacco Companies knew smoking caused cancer. Same way the Coal Companies knew they were causing climate change. The big lie serves him. He can keep the division stoked, destroy Democracy (the destruction of which serves any King) and he can be an aggrieved White Victim, which keeps the headlines enflamed.

He has no idea how to govern or actually do anything. But he's a Media-Savant. A TV performer first and foremost. Smart enough to be acting out a script that has the majority of us in terror of him.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
20. Chump is unable to see how he has been used by calculating right-wing manipulators
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:48 AM
Nov 2021

Does that make him a moron? Maybe ...

He's also a malignant narcissistic sociopath, so he believes his own lies and he doesn't care who gets hurt in the process. Chump is a warped, defective human being. Most people on the planet can't related to how twisted and malformed his soul is, so we assume that he's stupid because he can't see it himself. We assume that he would "fix himself " or seek psychiatric help if he could understand how messed up he is. But that would be the path of a rational person, and that's not what we're dealing with here.

After the last 5 years of Chump, I now understand that he's a real-life version of Hannibal Lector, without the messy cannibalism. His self-delusion, manipulation and evil greed are a perfect storm of bad qualities that we never want to see in someone who leads this country. Like Hannibal Lector, there is cunning and intelligence co-habiting with the evil. I no longer believe Chump is stupid. He's something to be feared and loathed, not pitied.

Paladin

(28,264 posts)
21. Centuries of well-deserved historical condemnation range before us.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:57 AM
Nov 2021

For allowing this hateful madman to attain so much power and do so much damage. I have cans of tuna in my pantry with more intellect and common decency.

Escurumbele

(3,395 posts)
29. And that is not the tuna, those are the cans that have more intellect and decency than trump.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 12:34 PM
Nov 2021

He is a mafioso, his hang of corrupt republicans feel he tapped on a formula to gain popularity and votes, I think that at the end of the day they will be proven wrong, 30% is not enough to win.

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
22. MENDACITY vs STUPIDITY
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 12:08 PM
Nov 2021

TFG is woefully ignorant, but he is not unintelligent.

Among his mental defects is the confidence he already knows better than the so-called experts. This means he has no inclination to study and learn complex subjects or objective facts.

The plain "truth" of the matter is that TRUTH matters not a whit to this malignant narcissist. His public pronouncements reflect whatever serves his immediate needs, even when this means fabricating lies out of whole cloth.

Shockingly, (regarding the susceptibility of American voters to such rhetoric) his pervasive mendacity along with his malicious bigotry have served his political career very well -- propelling him to the White House in 2016 and sustaining his grip on the Republican Party, which is conforming to the character of this would be tyrant.

Donald Trump is egregiously unfit, both mentally and morally, for any public office -- bit he and the Party he leads remain a looming threat to seize the power of our federal government and to expand their existing control over state governments and elections across the country.

Escurumbele

(3,395 posts)
28. My comment on the article...
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 12:29 PM
Nov 2021
trump has always been a decoy, he is there to be what he is, an imbecile making a lot of noise to distract the public from what is done behind the scenes, he will be discarded and thrown out to dry once republicans accomplish their goal of making the USA a totalitarian regime, his usefulness will run out then.

I don't agree that a smarter republican should be nominated by their party. trump's only accomplishment, which is not good for the country, was to make public the weaknesses of the USA constitution, he has taught corrupt republicans how to ignore the rule of law, and the fact that "no one is above the law" is a myth because anyone with power IS above the law. Anyone smarter than trump, which is not very difficult to find, corrupt like trump will take advantage of everything bad he/she learned during the past four years while trump was vacationing at the White House and spewing hate, so if republicans take power expect the USA to become a totalitarian regime, things will get very ugly, and those who think they prefer a right-wing regime will be sorry they ever said that.

The majority of the country has caught up to the fact that trump is an idiot, that is why he lost in 2020, his only supporters represent 30% of the country, hillbillies and ignorant voters, so in that respect, if trump is not in jail by then for his crimes before-during-after his stunt at the presidency, I hope he gets the nomination because he will loose again.



jmbar2

(4,890 posts)
32. I have to question whether he is stupid...
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 12:50 PM
Nov 2021

It would take some intelligence to think up all the scams he's been involved in, even if they mostly failed.

If you look at all the businesses, plus all the nefarious plots and lawsuits, the complexity of his world is unimaginable for most people. I know his sons aren't that complex. Who thought all this up and made it happen?

(From 2016)

Kaleva

(36,309 posts)
70. The Trump of today isn't the same as the Trump of yesteryear.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 03:29 AM
Nov 2021

If one watches old interviews of Trump, he comes across as articulate and educated.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
33. Saying Trump is stupid is probably true. This idea lulls us to sleep, though.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 12:56 PM
Nov 2021

I don't see the point in endless articles that talk about how dumb he is or how he is mentally ill. Is this news to anyone who gives a damn?

The truth is, Trump has a feral intelligence for drawing attention to himself and grifting people. We lose sight of this at our peril.

He used these talents to win the presidency, and he's still damaging our democracy.

That's the reality in which we find ourselves. Articles that point out how awful and twisted Trump is accomplish nothing in the long run. At least they don't seem to be accomplishing much of anything. The thing that has worked against Trump most effectively is his boorish behavior, which ended up getting him banned from social platforms.

OverBurn

(950 posts)
51. Exactly. IMO he's still winning most things. I'm not seeing the victorys
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 03:22 PM
Nov 2021

we're supposed to be having over him. The "stupid" idiot may be President again. We still haven't seen his taxes. All the lawsuits don't seem close to putting his lying, cheating, "stupid" ass in jail.

I just hope I live long even to see him penniless, in jail and then dead. I think less and less it'll ever happen.

twodogsbarking

(9,759 posts)
34. I think he acts like he is stupid.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 01:05 PM
Nov 2021

He is a man with no limits. Incapable of human qualities.
He knows everything. A stable genius. Trump.

Grins

(7,218 posts)
36. Don't call him stupid.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 01:10 PM
Nov 2021

That implies an excuse.

He’s not stupid; he is deliberately and colossally cruel, vindictive, spiteful, avaricious, and more, all in service to himself.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
37. I just want him
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 01:11 PM
Nov 2021

to be in prison soon. And forever.

An even better scenario: he leaves this dimension altogether.

azureblue

(2,146 posts)
38. why ask why
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 01:12 PM
Nov 2021

Trump is an entitled frat brat, born on third and thinks he hit a triple. Thinks like a sixth grader. He thinks he is smart because he has money, but all he is a person who gets his way through bullying and bullshitting.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
39. It's Steve Bannon, Robert Mercer and Vladimir Putin's world...
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 01:20 PM
Nov 2021

... Trump and the GOP are just living in it.

Just like GWB, Trump is an empty vessel that can be steered to their very smart, abusive and tyrannical ends.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
55. Bannon takes money from Robert Mercer and other billionaires
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 04:06 PM
Nov 2021

... so he's really doing their evil dirty work for them. I sure hope we find out that Bannon takes money from Putin too, because that would something he'd (probably) go to prison for.

OMGWTF

(3,959 posts)
42. Donald J Trump was the dumbest GD student I ever had
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 01:44 PM
Nov 2021

Quote by William T Kelly, former professor at University of Pennsylvania, Wharton.

gulliver

(13,186 posts)
46. We've got this idea that "stupid" is "the worst thing to be"
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 01:53 PM
Nov 2021

Hell, Trump's kinda stupid, true. But so what? He's a whole lot worse than stupid. He's rotten.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
49. What does it say about Democrats & the media then?
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 02:49 PM
Nov 2021

The media obviously was mesmerized by Trump in 2016 and gave him 24/7 coverage for over a year. When Hillary made news, it was only for something negative. Trump managed to keep it close enough in September & October of 2016 to steal it away at the last minute.

Then, in 2020, despite a mediocre economy his 1st 3 years and colossal screw ups with covid response in his last year, he barely lost to Biden. Yes, he lost by 7 million votes, but several Biden won states were extremely close.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
50. Trump is the asshole frat boy character in Animal House come to life.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 02:54 PM
Nov 2021

And he is supported by the establishment 1% Dean, just like in the movie.

He is the evil epitome of the 'Me Generation'.

He is the result of the Movement Conservative initiative.

He was their plan all along - or someone just like him.

Than You Raygun. Thank You Rush. Thank You Bush family. Thank You Ayn Rand. Thank You Koch family. Thank You William Buckley. Thank You George Will. Thank You Newt. Than You Cheney. Thank You Rummy. Thank You Nixon. Thank You Jessie Helms. Thank You both-side apologists. Thank You Corporate Media. Thank You Fox News. Thank You Klan. Thank You everyone on the Right who has enabled the Destruction of the US Constitution.

Thank You 1%. Thank You all.



iemanja

(53,035 posts)
53. Trump has a certain genius
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 03:43 PM
Nov 2021

when it comes to taping into and exploiting the worst traits among Americans. That's how he came to power.

We could face him again in 2024. I don't think calling him an imbecile helps prepare us.

Mr.Bill

(24,301 posts)
56. His Niece, Mary Trump, is a psychologist
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 04:22 PM
Nov 2021

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and has known and been around him her entire life. Her professional opinion of him is that his emotional development was arrested at age two and a half. I agree and would also add that he is profoundly stupid. He surrounds himself with evil people who have learned to manipulate him. It's no accident his CFO was indicted before he will be. His only value to the republicans is that he will sign anything they put in front of him without even being able to read it well enough to comprehend it.

In 2016, he discovered the largest criminal gang in the world who now owns him. We know them as the republican congress.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
59. "The puffed up persona of mediocrity"
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 09:14 PM
Nov 2021

I read that somewhere. Fits for him and many others who always want to be in charge.

I have a brother-in-law who has something similar - was diagnosed once with some kind of "defiance disorder", which means he absolutely believes he's always the smartest person in the room. And when he dimly recognizes he might be in company with folks much smarter than him, he sweats profusely, gets angry, and has to leave. Then he fumes in his mind for the rest of his days and cannot come to any other conclusion than all those people deserve revenge.

Not sure how it happens, but it starts really, really young.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
60. there's nothing remarkable about any of this
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 09:19 PM
Nov 2021

what is truly alarming is how many people BELIEVE in this seriously mentally ill man

Rhiannon12866

(205,467 posts)
65. His supporters aren't the brightest, either.
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 12:05 AM
Nov 2021

While in traffic today I was behind a vehicle at a light which sported a "Trump 2021" sticker...

Blue Owl

(50,414 posts)
66. He fancies himself an expert on select, cherry-picked topics...
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 12:33 AM
Nov 2021

Topics that his pea brain thinks will make him appear smart, and he believes nobody notices how stupid he actually sounds…

Aussie105

(5,401 posts)
68. Trump will go down in history
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 02:34 AM
Nov 2021

as the first person whose brain died 50 years before his body.

During those final years, he is unpredictable, destructive and delusional. America, defend yourself!

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
78. And yet, countless millions would reinstall him back into power next week,
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 09:34 AM
Nov 2021

because of "stolen election"/MAGA/gas prices/"freedom"/yadda-yadda-yadda...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
80. How stupid is society in general to refuse this lesson about personality disorders?
Fri Nov 12, 2021, 10:07 AM
Nov 2021

Psychology classes show videos of disordered people for students to observe. We've had a national 6-year-old video playing out as we watch, and most of the nation would fail even the simplest quiz on what we've seen.

The widespread rejection and denial of even the existence personality disorder is extremely striking.

The electorate as a whole has not just failed but refused to learn a critical lesson. Why?

This article managed to completely avoid any discussion of what are clearly multiple mental dysfunctions, manifesting as effective "stupidity." Why is tRump almost completely disinterested anything he doesn't see as about him? We can see how it makes him "stupid," all right, but why is were 100,000 deaths of no concern (or possibly even satisfying?) until a projected 200,000 threatened his reeelection? Why does he routinely sabotage his own interests to take pleasure in cruelty to others? Mental health professionals know.

And if we understood that disordered anger and malice are driving this fraction of a human being, maybe we'd be able to start understanding how this effectively both stunningly stupid and brilliantly effective man is able to cause 100 million Americans to reflect his disoder. Maybe more people would be afraid as we shouold be.

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