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If the defense on rittenhouse (Original Post) Beachnutt Nov 2021 OP
The prosecutor has already tried FBaggins Nov 2021 #1
Judge wouldn't even let the prosecution dispute Rittenhouse's reason for being there Johnny2X2X Nov 2021 #2
not just that Chille Nov 2021 #6
Actually, he didn't have any connection to the car lot and nobody connected with it asked him. hedda_foil Nov 2021 #11
Another lie by the kid. LiberalFighter Nov 2021 #14
wait he worked there? fescuerescue Nov 2021 #12
what I heard him say yesterday Chille Nov 2021 #16
The owners of the car lot have publicly stated xmas74 Nov 2021 #17
Wow I believed Chille Nov 2021 #18
I've heard that from day 1 xmas74 Nov 2021 #19
It won't matter Zeitghost Nov 2021 #3
This is the most succinct summation of the facts of the case I've seen here Sympthsical Nov 2021 #5
thank you thank you Chille Nov 2021 #7
Stuff that happens 6 months later really isn't relevant to any Tomconroy Nov 2021 #4
correct Chille Nov 2021 #8
He yelled at the prosecutor for asking about why Rittenhouse remained silent while in custody. Calista241 Nov 2021 #9
that to nt Chille Nov 2021 #10
yikes. fescuerescue Nov 2021 #13
Rittenhouse himself already opened the door budkin Nov 2021 #15

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
1. The prosecutor has already tried
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 11:49 AM
Nov 2021

The court denied it as not relevant to something that happened two weeks earlier

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
2. Judge wouldn't even let the prosecution dispute Rittenhouse's reason for being there
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 12:06 PM
Nov 2021

Rittenhouse said the only reason he was there was to provide first aid, it's laughable. And the judge has stopped the prosecution from even questioning that when we all know he was there to play war.

 

Chille

(193 posts)
6. not just that
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 12:16 PM
Nov 2021

he was their to protect a business . It might be where he worked because the owner asked him directly to help out

 

Chille

(193 posts)
16. what I heard him say yesterday
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 01:28 PM
Nov 2021

he mentioned a guy's name and this guy owned the property that he was protecting. He did say the guy, I don't remember the name, called him and asked him to come by and help. I thought it must be a place that he worked at. Why else would he get this call?

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
17. The owners of the car lot have publicly stated
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 01:33 PM
Nov 2021

They never asked for assistance from him or anyone else. They stated they'd already been looted and that there was nothing left to protect.

So he lied on the stand.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
19. I've heard that from day 1
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 04:27 PM
Nov 2021

I'm originally from Kenosha. People from back home have all stated he was never invited and that the Kenosha Guard he joined on Facebook was created by a former city councilman who was forced to resign because he moved out if his district but never declared that he moved.

Zeitghost

(3,862 posts)
3. It won't matter
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 12:12 PM
Nov 2021

There is video, medical evidence and witness testimony indicating the first man shot threatened to kill him and then chased him down and tried to grab his rifle.

There is video of the second man shot attempting to bash him with a skateboard.

There is testimony by and video evidence of the third man shot admitting that KR did not shoot him until he feigned surrender and then drew and pointed a gun at him.

That is game, set, match for the defense under WI self defense law.

The gun being potentially purchased and/or carried illegally, his reasons for going there, his smugness afterwards, how far he traveled to be there (not far) or whether the gun crossed state lines (it didn't), none of that matters when the three men shot all gave him legal reasons to defend himself. Throw in a prosecution that blatantly lied in their opening statement and has been admonished for violating the accused's 5th amendment rights and you have zero chance of conviction here.

I know many don't want to hear that, but those are the facts presented in court.

Sympthsical

(9,074 posts)
5. This is the most succinct summation of the facts of the case I've seen here
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 12:15 PM
Nov 2021

I agree with your assessment of what has gone down in this.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
4. Stuff that happens 6 months later really isn't relevant to any
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 12:13 PM
Nov 2021

Issue in the trial and the prosecutor knows this. He's playing to an audience not in the courtroom.

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
9. He yelled at the prosecutor for asking about why Rittenhouse remained silent while in custody.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 12:29 PM
Nov 2021

Which may still result in a mistrial. It's a grave breach of Rittenhouse's, and everyone else's, constitutional rights. He was implying guilt for deciding to consult a lawyer and avoiding talking to the police / FBI.

The judge later took the prosecutor to task for bringing up the visit to the bar and subsequent selfies after being ordered not to do so, and without clearing it with the judge beforehand.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
13. yikes.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 12:47 PM
Nov 2021

If convicted. That's a get out of jail card right there.

many times an appeal material isn't obvious or strong. But that sure is.

budkin

(6,703 posts)
15. Rittenhouse himself already opened the door
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 12:50 PM
Nov 2021

And the judge denied it anyway. The prosecution is absolutely screwed.

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