Trump says he has an ambassador and is conducting foreign policy

[Nevilledog]

Link to tweet

[Eyeball_Kid]

1. Well, can we call this a lie?

Trumpy-Boy is attempting to further the lie that he never really lost his presidency.

[patricia92243]

2. Him being crazy is ok. His being dangerously crazy is not.

[Boydog]

7. Why is he not under investigation by the FBI

If he is carrying on illegitimate diplomacy
I am sure this is against the law. (Logan Act)

[empedocles]

3. .

[paleotn]

4. Yea, Donnie. Whatever.

[C_U_L8R]

5. Say hello to the Logan Act

This Trump racket deserves to be shut down. Enough of this crap.

[jonstl08]

15. My thoughts

This was the first thought that came to my mind when I read this.

[H2O Man]

17. The Logan Act

is specific to individuals attempting to negotiate with a foreign country that is, at that time, having a dispute with the United States.

[onenote]

21. Correct.

Sure Trump is a buffoon. But this is no more a Logan Act violation than John Kerry's outreach to the Iranian foreign minister in 2018.

[karynnj]

42. Kerry's "outreach" ???? Kerry spoke with Jarif at international meetings - just as many many former

Officials did. In addition, per ALL accounts, he suggested to Zarif that THEY stay within the 2015 agreement. These discussions were before Trump pulled out. Note that even after Trump pulled out, US policy was - in essence - that Iran had to abide by the agreement - which they did for a year after Trump pulled out. In addition, Kerry recommended Iran stop its acts of supporting terrorism - again, US policy - but something Iran had no intention of doing.

Kerry was not negotiating or representing that he was.

I agree that the Logan act has not been used for centuries and will not be, however, what Trump is doing is not normal - I can remember NO President speaking of having an envoy. What Kerry did was something many former officials did - had conversations at international meetings and was normal. Note that Barr et al ignored Trump's call to investigate him.

[C_U_L8R]

34. Thanks for clarifying.

Either way, Trump and his pet monkey look like global clowns.

[H2O Man]

43. I think it is

obvious that Trump is conducting "relations" with the organized crime families in that region. Just my opinion, but I am confident that I am correct on that.

[greenjar_01]

27. Requires and Attorney General with a working pulse

[malaise]

6. He really thinks he's still president

He needs a padded room - that is all

[Whiskeytide]

18. I don't think so. He's just raising money globally now. He's ...

… a con man. People keep thinking he’s deluded or living in a fantasy world. He’s unstable, but he knows he’s not the president. He’s just fleecing his cult. I think it really is that simple.

[malaise]

19. You may be correct because his one love is other people's money

[lagomorph777]

38. Didn't Bob Marley write a song about that?

"Is there a place for the hopeless sinner
Who has hurt all mankind just to save his own?"

[malaise]

39. I would have posted the link

He did talk about money in an interview and more than once - here's one
-

"Money is a silly ting. There is plenty wisdom on dis Earth dat people don't know. If money, numbers, is where yu get yu kicks, yu’r lost to the devil, because numbers have no end." #bobmarley

He also spoke about the uselessness of money when your health is failing because he knew his cancer was terminal and a cure could not be bought.

[Brother Buzz]

29. He gets to sit on the group bench before they put him back in the padded room

[malaise]

31. Nice

How are you Brother Buzz?

[malaise]

32. Nice

How are you Brother Buzz?

[sop]

8. "Donate to Save America" is the only reason Trump issues these statements.

[ornotna]

11. Bingo!

Raising money, it's the only thing he cares about.

[Bluethroughu]

9. Can't he be charged with acting as an unregistered agent of the US.

This is not only lying but dangerous if forgien leaders believe it and inact policy because of it. This is seditious treason.

[onenote]

23. No.

[Bev54]

10. This OP goes well with the other one, I just read about Trump's stupidity and delusions

He cannot accept he lost, he is just too stupid. Thanks to packman.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216040644

[Takket]

12. This is a crime...

Link to tweet

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I’m sure even though this is blatant that if there is an investigation it will take years of appeals before there is an indictment.

[onenote]

20. That is a truncated and misleading description of the Logan Act.

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.

Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

There is no dispute or controversy between the US and Serbia and Kosovo and just as there was no Logan Act violation when John Kerry, as a private citizen, met with the Iranian foreign minister.

There are plenty of things that the DOJ can be pursuing. This isn't and won't be one of them.

[spanone]

13. Seems like a suitable reason for arrest and detain.

[TreasonousBastard]

14. First thing I noticed was "Donate... " That says it all.

[jonstl08]

16. Grifting again

Read due to his real estate portfolio crashing he is using politics to generate money. Not surprising since he has been a con artist his entire life

[greatauntoftriplets]

22. Isn't "Envoy Ambassador" redundant?

[onenote]

37. Could be. Or could be Trump's inability to use correct punctuation

"my Envoy Ambassador Ric Grinnell" certainly would be redundant. On the other hand, "my Envoy, Ambassador Ric Grinell" would not since former ambassadors get to continue using the title.

[FelineOverlord]

24. Grenell must be in on the grift

Link to tweet

[FakeNoose]

25. Either it's a lie, or it's proof that he committed a crime

Which is it Chump - a lie or a crime?

[obamanut2012]

26. Ummm.... the Logan Act?

This is really, really illegal.

[greenjar_01]

28. Conservative Lawyer Brigade arriving to disabuse you shortly

[onenote]

35. I think you meant knowledgeable lawyer brigade

Unless, of course, you can point to some precedent that would suggest that the Logan Act has been violated.

I pointed out that it doesn't meet the language of the Logan Act. Maybe trying to disabuse people of false expectations is a bad thing to you, but in the end I'm not sure why that is the case.

[róisín_dubh]

30. This is why I love Mexico's requirements of former presidents.

You serve your sexenio (6 year term) and then you leave and stay the hell out of politics. This shadow bullshit TFG is pulling is really dangerous.

[totodeinhere]

40. I understand but such a rule would have free speech implications in this country.

And this rule would also prevent good things like President Obama's campaigning for Democratic candidates.

[róisín_dubh]

44. Yes, you're right.

Admittedly, Mexico's "rule" (I can't remember if it's official and codified in the Constitution) came on the heels of a 34 year dictatorship that sparked a violent, decade-long Revolution and then a power grab by politicians from one state in particular. So there was some excellent reasoning for it.
Let's hope we don't get to the point that we *really* need to invoke this sort of thing.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

33. I donate to things that save America FROM him. n/t

[sarcasmo]

36. Begging Putin and MBS for money is Not foreign policy.

[2naSalit]

41. He should be arrested immediately for...

Impersonating a government official and for meddling in foreign affairs. He needs to be shut down immediately!!!

[frogmarch]

45. Why in the hell

doesn't someone shut him down? WTF!

[DFW]

46. Ah yes, Grenell

The guy who came to Germany for Trump and said he'd be taking up contact with right wing groups. He will come offering the Balkan nations exactly zero dollars and zero cents, and that will be exactly equal to the amount of serious time accorded to his "envoy:"

"Mr. Milkashakeli will see you to your hostel, where you can rest comfortably until your flight home."