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orangecrush

(19,572 posts)
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 03:20 PM Nov 2021

Rittenhouse judge asks prosecutor about his expression as they discuss Wednesday's heated exchange



Kenosha County Judge Bruce Schroeder asked the jury to leave the room while he and the attorneys talked over the prosecution’s objection to specific portions of video analysis from John Black, the defense's witness, on Thursday, saying it was outside the court’s order.

“It certainly was my impression that we were talking about video of the entire episode and ... certainly in my mind is not limited to the specific numbers on this observation point list that you're talking about,” Schroeder said to Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger.

“I am a little bit challenged when you say — is there something that I'm saying that draws the face that you're making?”
“I have to say, your honor, yesterday, I was the target of your ire for disregarding your orders. Today the defense is disregarding your order,” Binger replied.

Yesterday’s heated exchange between the judge and Binger came up again a few minutes later with the prosecutor saying, “yesterday, as I said, I was under the court’s ire” and Schroeder cutting him off saying, “you know, I don’t want to talk about” it.

“I think it's a fundamental fairness issue, your honor, if I'm being held to obey the court's orders, I'm asking that the defense be held to that too,” Binger persisted.



https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/kyle-rittenhouse-trial-11-11-21/index.html








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Rittenhouse judge asks prosecutor about his expression as they discuss Wednesday's heated exchange (Original Post) orangecrush Nov 2021 OP
Does anyone... 2naSalit Nov 2021 #1
The Judge does. maxsolomon Nov 2021 #3
The Chief Justice of this regional court has the authority. rkleinberger Nov 2021 #22
Absolutely. 2naSalit Nov 2021 #29
Does Wisconsin have regional chief justice over Kenosha County courts? LiberalFighter Nov 2021 #35
Not only should this "judge" be take off this case leftieNanner Nov 2021 #2
Rittenhouse Fanclub will be here shortly to tell us how the judge is right on this greenjar_01 Nov 2021 #4
You may have just given some of them pause. Ligyron Nov 2021 #5
Never that. It's always the Double Down greenjar_01 Nov 2021 #6
Does DU have a Rittenhouse fan club? I kinda' doubt it. groundloop Nov 2021 #17
People with legal knowledge and experience have chimed in on various issues. TwilightZone Nov 2021 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Politicub Nov 2021 #39
No Zeitghost Nov 2021 #40
there are paid GOP bumper on DU all the time Johonny Nov 2021 #42
This thing has MISTRIAL written all over it in six foot high letters. localroger Nov 2021 #7
Looks like this judge is itching for a mistrial. ancianita Nov 2021 #8
What would the judge gain from a mistrial? wnylib Nov 2021 #23
Oh, I didn't mean the judge wants it, but that he's behaving in a way that will make the prosecution ancianita Nov 2021 #24
I looked it up, too, to see what qualifies as a mistrial. wnylib Nov 2021 #30
Cool. Which would likely be for the better outcome, given how biased this judge is. ancianita Nov 2021 #38
Yes. If anyone should ask for a mistrial, wnylib Nov 2021 #43
Beginning to look like Judge Bruce Schroeder KS Toronado Nov 2021 #9
Sounds like he's auditioning for SKKKOTUS. ananda Nov 2021 #13
I mentioned in another thread this trial has shades of a 1950s Mississippi trial Best_man23 Nov 2021 #19
My spouse was questioning yesterday about the prosecutor NullTuples Nov 2021 #31
This judge reminds me of the German Judges screaming who screamed and berated the Pepsidog Nov 2021 #10
That was Freisler's People's 'Court" Best_man23 Nov 2021 #18
Thank you for the clarification and video. Pepsidog Nov 2021 #26
The 13 GOP members who voted for the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill face the Republican Conference. Marcuse Nov 2021 #32
Amazing footage - thank you. How wonderful to hear Daniel Schorr's voice at the end. erronis Nov 2021 #33
"Hurry Sundown" might be one of Otto Preminger's worst movies* but Grokenstein Nov 2021 #20
I'm guessing this judge... ZenDem Nov 2021 #11
Are there pudgy Democrats too? Nt USALiberal Nov 2021 #28
I would assume so. ZenDem Nov 2021 #34
I just don't get why weight matters to you? Nt USALiberal Nov 2021 #36
I just don't get... ZenDem Nov 2021 #37
This thing was "stacked" from the git go... ashredux Nov 2021 #12
No one has exactly covered themselves with glory BlueIdaho Nov 2021 #14
Will no one stop this farce? Ray Bruns Nov 2021 #15
His ringtone is "God Bless The USA" by Lee Greenwood trof Nov 2021 #16
I've never seen such a biased judge in decades of watching stuff like this. Even to the point... George II Nov 2021 #21
What has been disturbing about this judge... LiberalFighter Nov 2021 #25
We know about jury nullification, now we get judicial nullification Hassler Nov 2021 #41

rkleinberger

(155 posts)
22. The Chief Justice of this regional court has the authority.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 05:15 PM
Nov 2021

The Judge's cell phone went off in the court room, itself unprofessional, and it was playing Trump's theme song. Also, he made some racist ant-Asian comment regarding Asian food. So, not sure why this Judge has not been removed. The prosecution needs to file a mistrial in this case.

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
35. Does Wisconsin have regional chief justice over Kenosha County courts?
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 06:25 PM
Nov 2021

The judge is likely not concerned about any consequences as an elected official. And probably intending not to seek reelection.

leftieNanner

(15,124 posts)
2. Not only should this "judge" be take off this case
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 03:44 PM
Nov 2021

He should be removed from the bench entirely!

Apparently, the prosecution has made some mistakes, but this guy is toxic.

groundloop

(11,519 posts)
17. Does DU have a Rittenhouse fan club? I kinda' doubt it.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 04:54 PM
Nov 2021

Social media, on the other hand, is gonna' be full of them.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
27. People with legal knowledge and experience have chimed in on various issues.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 05:37 PM
Nov 2021

It tends to go against the grain of the conventional wisdom here, so it's met with scorn.

Personally, I'd like to understand the legal challenges this case faces rather than blindly hoping for the best. I expect him to walk and hope that I'm wrong.

Response to groundloop (Reply #17)

Zeitghost

(3,862 posts)
40. No
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 06:52 PM
Nov 2021

Just people who value facts over blind emotion. Many seem to want to dismiss key pieces of evidence because it doesn't fit their chosen narrative of the case.

wnylib

(21,487 posts)
23. What would the judge gain from a mistrial?
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 05:23 PM
Nov 2021

The prosecution might gain from it if they get assigned to a different judge for the retrial.

ancianita

(36,080 posts)
24. Oh, I didn't mean the judge wants it, but that he's behaving in a way that will make the prosecution
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 05:30 PM
Nov 2021

prove that he's made a procedural error.

I'm no lawyer but getting to mistrial status might not have to depend on a hung jury.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/mistrial

wnylib

(21,487 posts)
30. I looked it up, too, to see what qualifies as a mistrial.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 05:42 PM
Nov 2021

It does not have to be a hung jury. And, so long as the defendant has not been acquitted or convicted yet, a mistrial can lead to a retrial. An NPR news report on this trial this morning questioned why the defense requested a mistrial since it .would give the prosecution a chance to appeal and retry the case, with a different judge.

wnylib

(21,487 posts)
43. Yes. If anyone should ask for a mistrial,
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 10:25 PM
Nov 2021

it's the prosecution on the basis of the judge's obvious bias. I'm not sure how that would be done. Seems the prosecutor would need to file a request or complaint with another judge or court. I'm not a lawyer so I don't know what the procedure would be. Maybe one of our DU legal experts could explain it to us.

KS Toronado

(17,259 posts)
9. Beginning to look like Judge Bruce Schroeder
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 04:16 PM
Nov 2021

might have a white sheet and conehead hood at home. Anyone caught him flashing the KKK hand signal?

Best_man23

(4,898 posts)
19. I mentioned in another thread this trial has shades of a 1950s Mississippi trial
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 05:03 PM
Nov 2021

Where the judge, prosecutor, and defense are all in cahoots to ensure the local yokel who just also happens to be Klan gets acquitted.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
31. My spouse was questioning yesterday about the prosecutor
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 05:57 PM
Nov 2021

They said typically prosecutors are in good with law enforcement & may well be aiming at a mistrial with prejudice, too.

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
10. This judge reminds me of the German Judges screaming who screamed and berated the
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 04:26 PM
Nov 2021

conspirators who tried to kill Hitler. And recall Kavanaugh screaming at the democrats during his confirmation hearing. Just a glimpse of the things to come when the radical right cheats its way to total control of all three branches of government.

Best_man23

(4,898 posts)
18. That was Freisler's People's 'Court"
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 05:01 PM
Nov 2021

Adding this for any DUers not read up on that part of World War II history. Video has no subtitles, but is narrated by Walter Cronkite.

Marcuse

(7,488 posts)
32. The 13 GOP members who voted for the Bipartisan Infrastructure Bill face the Republican Conference.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 06:07 PM
Nov 2021

Grokenstein

(5,725 posts)
20. "Hurry Sundown" might be one of Otto Preminger's worst movies* but
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 05:04 PM
Nov 2021

Burgess Meredith's over-the-top performance as Judge Purcell, once thought to be cartoonish, seems to be the norm today. Perhaps we've become the cartoon.

Judge Purcell: "Don't you rattle your skeleton in my court! Your being here at all constitutes a treachery to the entire white community that's too colossal to be believed!"

*it has lots of competition from Skidoo and Rosebud

ZenDem

(442 posts)
11. I'm guessing this judge...
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 04:27 PM
Nov 2021

...will have a summer home in Florida a few months after this trial along with a boat with Trump flags preinstalled.

I really just want this to end. It's sucking the life outta me.

This pasty, pudgy kid thought he could trek up to WI and get some cool pics to post on social media. Maybe THEN that girl would pay attention to him! Maybe THEN those bullies would stop pushing him around. He's a little loser that thought he could play grownup games and panicked after it became all to damned clear that he was way out of his element.

Little shit needs to suffer some type of punishment, but what he gets won't be nearly what he deserves.

ZenDem

(442 posts)
34. I would assume so.
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 06:23 PM
Nov 2021

Probably some pasty ones, along with little shits and losers. I mean, if you're going to choose yer battle might as well pull out the entire arsenal.

ZenDem

(442 posts)
37. I just don't get...
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 06:42 PM
Nov 2021

...why you chose that one word in an entire post?

If you'd like a dissertation on how his physical appearance could be a background cause for his need to act like a tough guy...I don't have the time. He's a baby-faced (pudgy), pasty (doughy) little shit. Probably with very low self-esteem. This could be a major factor in why he thought playing cop would be a great way to improve his cred with his peers.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
14. No one has exactly covered themselves with glory
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 04:37 PM
Nov 2021

In this shambolic trial, but the judge should be removed from the case post-haste

George II

(67,782 posts)
21. I've never seen such a biased judge in decades of watching stuff like this. Even to the point...
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 05:05 PM
Nov 2021

....where the prosecutor was describing the purpose of different types of bullets, and the judge interrupted to give HIS explanation of bullet types.

LiberalFighter

(50,950 posts)
25. What has been disturbing about this judge...
Thu Nov 11, 2021, 05:31 PM
Nov 2021

is other attorneys have made a point of getting a judge other than Schroeder for this case. And that apparently has put more of a load on other judges in the county.

That should indicate a problem with the judge.

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