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The federal government announced a large hike in Medicare premiums Friday night, blaming the pandemic but also what it called uncertainty over how much it may have to be forced to pay for a pricey and controversial new Alzheimer's drug.
The 14.5% increase in Part B premiums will take monthly payments for those in the lowest income bracket from $148.50 a month this year to $170.10 in 2022. Medicare Part B covers physician services, outpatient hospital services, certain home health services, medical equipment, and certain other medical and health services not covered by Medicare Part A, including medications given in doctors' offices.
The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services played down the spike, pointing out that most beneficiaries also collect Social Security benefits and will see a cost-of-living adjustment of 5.9% in their 2022 monthly payments, the agency said in a statement. That's the largest bump in 30 years.
"This significant COLA increase will more than cover the increase in the Medicare Part B monthly premium," CMS said. "Most people with Medicare will see a significant net increase in Social Security benefits. For example, a retired worker who currently receives $1,565 per month from Social Security can expect to receive a net increase of $70.40 more per month after the Medicare Part B premium is deducted."
The actual spike -- the largest since 2016 -- could hurt some seniors financially.
It "will consume the entire annual cost of living adjustment (COLA) of Social Security recipients with the very lowest benefits, of about $365 per month," said Mary Johnson, a Social Security and Medicare policy analyst for The Senior Citizens League, an advocacy group. "Social Security recipients with higher benefits should be able to cover the $21.60 per month increase, but they may not wind up with as much left over as they were counting on."
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/12/health/medicare-premium-hike/index.html
Haggard Celine
(16,858 posts)They're going to give people on SS a raise and then take it back again with more expensive Medicare costs. This is going to kill us if we don't do something to mitigate it. It would have helped people accept this shit if they had passed the BBB bill and allowed Medicare to negotiate drug costs. But Manchin can't have that. Not passing that bill is going to destroy hopes for Democrats to remain in power. God, this makes me so mad!
Wounded Bear
(58,721 posts)but yeah, they do this every time.
It won't affect me personally, but I realize how it sucks for many people.
DFW
(54,445 posts)But I bow down to anyone who has a cent left over after trying to live a comfortable, debt-free life on that kind of income in or near any major city.
Celerity
(43,550 posts)the minimum wage to $15/hr from the ludicrously low $7.25 (20 states still there in 2022). That $7.25 works out to (at 40 hours per week, which is often not given due to benefit avoidance) around 1000 USD per month ( perhaps less in certain areas) after all taxes, federal, state, local, sales, withholdings, etc etc are extracted.
DFW
(54,445 posts)Even with free rent living under a bridge, I wouldn't want to try it. As a supplementary wage earner in a household where the main breadwinner makes considerably more, one could survive, but that is not an assumption an employer, much less a blanket law, can make. It is certainly not an assumption they should be allowed to make, either. If a business has based their survival on the minimum wage being set at $7.25, it needs to recalculate. Maybe be given a year or two to adjust, but it can't stay at this level. If it's inflationary to raise the minumum wage, so be it. No employer would want to try to survive on that. Nor should any of their employees.
Celerity
(43,550 posts)DFW
(54,445 posts)But neighbors we are nonetheless. It took more than a millennium of wars between France and Germany for them to figure out that being economically integrated members of an EU was a better idea than periodically fighting wars with the people next door, but Adenauer and DeGaulle finally put it to rest.
Hälsningar från Tyskland!
JanMichael
(24,894 posts)SS being US Social Security.
From the link:
"Social Security is the major source of income for older Americans. Over 8 in 10 Americans aged 65 and older receive Social Security. For over three out of five (61 percent) of those beneficiaries, Social Security is more than half their total income, and for one in three (33 percent), it is all or nearly all of their income. Social Security is a large share of income because many Americans age 65 and older lack significant income from other sources. Pensions (from private or government employment) were received by about half of married couples (from either the husband's or the wife's career). Among the unmarried, 41 percent of men and 38 percent of women had pensions.
Social Security is the sole source of income for about one in five (20 percent) people aged 65 and older. Certain subgroups are particularly reliant on Social Security. Of those age 65 and older, Social Security is the sole source of income for 40 percent of Hispanics, 33 percent of African Americans, 26 percent of Asian and Pacific Islanders, 18 percent of whites, and 20 percent of unmarried women."
The only way for many of these people to live reasonably comfortably is to:
1. have a Section 8 or Housing Choice Voucher. Or live in a tax credit property or PHA public housing unit. Wait lists for these programs are long and can be 2 to 5 years or more.
.....if they own a home free and clear --- then they have property taxes, repairs and insurance costs.
2. EBT, food stamps, which are capped at $250 or $300/m for most.
3. Local health plan assistance. Again limited availability.
4. Free or reduced cost transportation.
5. LIEAP energy payment assistance which is also usually capped at $200 to $500/annually. Seniors only.
6. at a minimum a phone of some type.
Or live in a RV which isn't free either. Maybe we should start giving out tents and backpacks....yes it is bad.
This can also be applied to non-SSA recipients that are low hourly workers, just add more for household size like kids and then more food and probably technology that schools and jobs demand.
There are some posters on DU that love to say how easy it is to live on basic SSA but they usually have some family support or a cheap house that they rent out for that minimal income. Not apples to apples.
DFW
(54,445 posts)Even coupled with my wifes pension here in Germany (all of 850 a month, or about $1000), it wouldnt go far. I dont even know at what age my SS maxes out, and I dont need it, but Im considering putting in for it anyway and donating all after-tax receipts to Planned Parenthood, or St. Judes, or something like that.
JanMichael
(24,894 posts)What is sad is that we are fairly unique compared to our siblings and other similarly aged family. The rest will likely have something approaching $1,500/month SS and little in other $$ for life. Two are in a similar situation to us.
But under $2,000/m until death? That scares the crap out of me.
Ya America!
DFW
(54,445 posts)My wifes 850 is a joke. The cost of living (I live in the Düsseldorf areanot Munich or Hamburg, but still not Germanys low rent district) is crazy high here, and at $7.80 or so per US gallon, a car is a serious financial undertaking.
I put away for a long retirement that my family medical history says Ill probably never live to see anyway, but if the expected happens, at least my wife wont have to sell the house in order to have food for the rest of her life.
mucifer
(23,572 posts)Celerity
(43,550 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 13, 2021, 10:51 AM - Edit history (1)
Especially with the grindingly stupid and unfortunately vast swathes of the American body politic who refuse to vote, or when roused from their bread and circuses enough to do so, tend to exercise the franchise as if mimicking a swinging door buffeted by a fickle wind.
dalton99a
(81,599 posts)It was a shameful and sordid decision to approve the drug - against the advice of experts
https://www.npr.org/2021/06/11/1005567149/3-experts-have-resigned-from-an-fda-committee-over-alzheimers-drug-approval
mnhtnbb
(31,406 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)Seniors like me will cut our costs elsewhere to make it up. I won't sacrifice the little dab I save each month for annual bills like property taxes and for emergencies like roof repairs. I am fortunate to be debt-free.
I need to revamp my communications costs anyway (phone and internet) so this will give me incentive and I'll tell my son to be more frugal when he selects our groceries.
Therefore in my case, companies like AT&T and Kroger will bear the cost.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)No matter the size of the COLA, the Medicare premium will eat it up. Still it is pretty damn cheap health insurance.
Ms. Toad
(34,102 posts)especially if you have any significant health issues.
Unlike ACA plans your out of pocket expenses are uncapped under traditional Medicare, and there is no drug coverage unless you purchase it separately.
If you go with Medicare Advantage, the most coverage you get is to cap your out of pocket at $3900/year (at least in our area). Since I have an aggressive cancer - I could well hit it every year.
The portion of costs you have to pay is more than on any health plan I've been on recently - especially when you take into account uncapped costs.
(I'm being forced into retirement come April 1, so I'm suddenly deeply immersed in sorting all of this out in order to avoid having to cover two out-of-pocket maximums in a single year. And since everyone has been screaming "Medicare for all" I've been appalled at how little protection there is for serious illness/large prescription costs.)
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)which includes drug coverage and pay nothing more than my monthly premium. $0.00 for Primary and $25.00 for specialists including dentist and eye doctor (even a little bit towards eye glasses). Silver Sneakers is included as well as a quarterly Over the Counter benefit.
I am very happy with my plan.
I fully expected the monthly premium to go up as it does every year, that we had a larger increase this year in the midst of a pandemic is expected as well.
Ms. Toad
(34,102 posts)The lack of (or a very high) out-of-pocket cap on coinsurance and prescription drugs, is a disaster for people with chronic illnesses. My daughter hits her out-of-pocket maximum (regardless of how high it is) within the first plan month of the year. There are times I have, as well - but it's not an every year thing.
I assumed that when people were touting Medicare for All as better than the ACA that part of that consideration was that people with chronic illnesses would be protected. Not under any plan I've found. The ACA plan, and the plans at Starbucks and Amazon are considerably better (and cheaper) for people with significant medical expenses every year.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)However a Medicare for all plan if we ever see one does not necessarily equate to the current system that is in place as the legislation that will enable something like that to come into being will have to be written and it has not been.
Elessar Zappa
(14,077 posts)I have cystic fibrosis and am on SSDI and Medicare. Because Im also low income, I qualify for QMB (which I think is Medicaid) to cover all my co-pays. I end up paying virtually nothing for my very expensive disease. I think everyone should be entitled to the type of coverage I have.
Ms. Toad
(34,102 posts)I hope they get it fixed by the time my daughter is eligible.
Her billed medical expenses are $200,000 every year. She blows through any out-of-pocket max in the first month of the plan every year. Her disease is not one of the named diseases that qualifies her for assistance with copays.
samplegirl
(11,504 posts)Its just so sad.
deminks
(11,017 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Senior citizens having to buy cat food because their income was so low.
Was that under Nixon?
kacekwl
(7,022 posts)Looking forward to the "largest" increase in SS payments turns into government taking my milk money again. The only way to punch the bully is to vote for someone else or not vote at all.
dalton99a
(81,599 posts)Marius25
(3,213 posts)Sigh... This country just keeps getting worse.
honest.abe
(8,685 posts)Something seriously wrong with that.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)My rent's based on my income.
Social Security goes up ~ my rent goes up.
LiberalFighter
(51,105 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,105 posts)helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)said she switched to that.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)... and Medicare Advantage is a form of Medicare.
I have been on 'Blue Cross/Blue Shield Medicare Advantage HMO' for some years and would have the Medicare Premium deducted from my Social Security check except
I am low income and New Mexico covers it for me so that I
get my full check.
N.M. also covers a lot of my drug costs.
I don't know if other states do that. You or she might check with the state; here it's handled by the New Mexico Human Services Department.
helpisontheway
(5,008 posts)Chuuku Davis
(565 posts)Medicare advantage is an HMO policy provided by various for profit insurance companies.
There are limitations on the physicians and hospitals that are "in network".
Docs in my area do not contract with them.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)It is not an independent insurance similar to car insurance or homeowners insurance.
You must be eligible for Medicare to get a Medicare advantage plan.
It's an option that you have as part of Medicare.
Ms. Toad
(34,102 posts)So if you have a $0 premium Medicare Advantage plan, the real premium just went from ~148 to around $170.
MissMillie
(38,583 posts)Retired state workers from some states don't get Social Security. An increase in Medicare premiums could be very harmful to many of those retirees.
Ms. Toad
(34,102 posts)has been frozen for 5 years. ***Maybe*** it will go up in a year - that's the next time it will be evaluated.
(I'm heading into forced retirement under this system in a couple of months.)
dsc
(52,166 posts)Last edited Sat Nov 13, 2021, 06:20 PM - Edit history (1)
the co pay on this drug is 11k a year meaning that many poor people will be paying this massive increase for a drug they will never get.
Celerity
(43,550 posts)https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/biogen-reports-paltry-aduhelm-sales-300k-obviously-disappointing-says-ceo-vounatsos
On Wednesday morning, investors learned just how slow the launch has been as Biogen revealed (PDF) a stunning number$300,000 in third-quarter sales for the drug once hailed as a first-of-its-kind breakthrough. The paltry figure didnt approach the analyst consensus of $14 million.
We are obviously disappointed with the delayed uptake of Aduhelm in the U.S., Biogen CEO Michel Vounatsos said on a conference call. The healthcare system remains a major bottleneck. In particular, the lack of clarity on reimbursement has delayed patient access.
Steeped in controversy since its June approval and saddled with a much-criticized price of $56,000 per year, the fate of Aduhelm appears dependent on whether Medicare will provide coverage for the drug and for others in its class of monoclonal antibodies that target amyloid plaque buildup. That process is due to complete in April 2022.
dalton99a
(81,599 posts)It is an obscenity
tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)Biden? TrumP? Democrats? GOP? Insurance companies?
Who?
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Medicare does it, every year.
"On November 12, 2021, the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) released the 2022 premiums, deductibles, and coinsurance amounts for the Medicare Part A and Part B programs, and the 2022 Medicare Part D income-related monthly adjustment amounts."
https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/fact-sheets/2022-medicare-parts-b-premiums-and-deductibles2022-medicare-part-d-income-related-monthly-adjustment
tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)Much like rising costs of goods and gasoline.
Its like this is how corporate America responds to policies that benefit the 99%. What a brilliant strategy to insure nothing changes for the better.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)It's Medicare and it's been making these adjustments for decades.
tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)eom
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Thanks for your input.
Chuuku Davis
(565 posts)the "inflation rate".