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AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 10:02 AM Nov 2021

One thing that really bugs about the Rittenhouse judge

IIRC, he won’t allow terms like “victim” to be used because it may “prejudice” a jury, but it’s OK to use perjorative terms like “rioters”, “looters,” and “vandals”?

Did I hear that right? This was in coverage early on in the trial, and I was WTF. It’s been eating at me ever since, especially seeing how this judge is such a clown.

TIA for any clarification.



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Sympthsical

(9,120 posts)
1. He doesn't allow it in all of his trials
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 10:09 AM
Nov 2021

So much was made of not using the word "victims," but he does it in most of his other trials, because he thinks it's prejudicial against a claim of self-defense. So it wasn't some Rittenhouse specific thing. Another win for the informative media there. It would've taken a quick glance to know it wasn't strange, but no one thought to look it up I guess.

He stated people could use the other words if that is what they were doing within the evidence presented.

I don't think the defense ever used those words about the victims. I think they may have used it against other people present. Not sure. But I think they left it alone when it came to the actual people shot. Maybe something about Rosenbaum in the closing? I mean, they did call him crazy. Can't quite remember.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
5. I do recall hearing that.
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 10:40 AM
Nov 2021

But in other trials does he allow potentially loaded terms?

I don’t necessarily have a problem with it, as long as it’s not a double standard.

Sympthsical

(9,120 posts)
7. Yeah, the victims thing wasn't a double standard
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 10:45 AM
Nov 2021

I mean, I've been using the word victims in my discussion, but I'm not a court.

I honestly couldn't say about the other terms. Someone would have to go through the judge's previous trials to figure the answer. I did glance around when this first came up, but I didn't see any reporting anywhere on it.

dem4decades

(11,304 posts)
2. How about he let's Rittenhouse blubber on the stand but not allow photos of him posing for
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 10:10 AM
Nov 2021

Photos of him with the proud boys wearing a Free As Fuck t shirt.

And what's with the judge having Rittenhouse pulled numbers for which jurors sit on the panel?

Was it his birthday or something?

localroger

(3,631 posts)
4. I don't think he did Kyle a favor by allowing the fake blubbering
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 10:36 AM
Nov 2021

Even on YouTube it looked as genuine as a seven dollar bill. The defense had the better case on technical points, but emotionally it was a disaster, and this is going to be decided by laymen, not a professional lawyer.

AngryOldDem

(14,061 posts)
6. That lottery thing was weird.
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 10:42 AM
Nov 2021

I think I heard it’s an antiquated practice. I guess it’s to prevent the defense from saying it was rigged? Dunno.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
8. The photos of him posing with the proud boys were completely irrelevant for the case
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 11:23 AM
Nov 2021

Similarly, from what I read, the judge didn't allow the defense to bring up the criminal records of the victims. That alone would have overshadowed any significance those photos might have had in persuading the jury.

Baitball Blogger

(46,758 posts)
3. The judge has a conservative bias.
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 10:23 AM
Nov 2021

This is what we're fighting against. This is what CRT is trying to bring attention to.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. He allowed "rioters, looters" IF Defense had EVIDENCE of that. Don't believe they did.
Wed Nov 17, 2021, 12:24 PM
Nov 2021

Seems reasonable to me.

And the judge did not allow criminal history of the victims, which also seems reasonable.

Still hope the jury does the right thing.

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