America's Real 'Wokeness' Divide

[Celerity]

A new poll finds little difference between people with and without college degrees on questions about “wokeness.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/11/young-people-college-grads-wokeness/620674/



Overeducated people are ruining political discourse by embracing “woke” language. If you pay attention to modern fights about language and social justice, you’ve probably heard some version of this complaint. The Democratic patriarch James Carville has bemoaned the idea of “people in faculty lounges in fancy colleges” coming up with “a word like ‘Latinx’ that no one else uses.” John McWhorter, the linguist, Atlantic contributor, and author of Woke Racism, has asserted that “everybody is afraid of being called a racist on Twitter by articulate, over-educated people.” The Economist recently defined wokeness as “a loose constellation of ideas that is changing the way that mostly white, educated, left-leaning Americans view the world.” The thinking, or at least the impression, is that normal people who care about bread-and-butter economic issues go to college and pop out not caring about bread or butter, but instead worrying about gender pronouns and cultural appropriation. According to these sorts of arguments, people who never go to college stay reasonable, normal, or—depending on how you look at it—asleep.

But according to a recent Atlantic/Leger survey, no gap exists between people with college degrees and those without them on some of the hot topics most commonly associated with “wokeness.” Instead, neither group endorses the supposedly “woke” positions particularly strongly. Though the term originated in the Black community, woke now lacks a standard definition, and is sometimes used as a catchall label for a group of only loosely related ideas. People often use the term to describe neologisms that are more popular among progressives, such as pregnant people, as well as policy choices advocated for by some on the left, such as defunding the police. In our poll, we also included reverse-coded statements, meant to capture whether someone was the opposite of “woke,” by asking about common right-wing shibboleths such as political correctness, “cancel culture,” and critical race theory.

For the poll, Leger surveyed a representative sample of 1,002 American adults from October 22 to October 24. We asked for respondents’ agreements with various statements, shown in the chart below, that are often invoked by conservatives and moderates as being associated with people who are “woke.” The results showed that there was no significant difference between people with college degrees and those without them on the question of whether America is becoming too politically correct (slight majorities of both groups agreed somewhat or strongly). The same was true for believing “cancel culture is a big problem in society”—51 percent of degree holders agreed, as did 45 percent of those without degrees.



There was also no difference on questions pertaining to support for defunding the police; a preference for saying “pregnant people” instead of “pregnant women” or “Latinx” rather than “Latino or Hispanic”; for using gender-neutral “they/them” pronouns upon a person’s request; or agreeing that it’s racist to wear a Halloween costume associated with a different race or ethnicity. Less than 30 percent of respondents agreed with any of those, and it didn’t matter whether they had a college degree or not—at most, the college-educated were more likely to endorse these views by a few percentage points.

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[brewens]

1. The racist are the most politically correct. Most of the time. Around their little white supremacist

support groups, they use whatever racial slurs they like. Around decent, educated Americans, that crap doesn't come out of their mouths.

[Sympthsical]

2. I think it's partisan vs non-partisan

People who have their identities wrapped up in their politics tend to fight these kinds of battles harder, that kind of authoritarian imposition of ideological belief via cultural and political means.

My personal beliefs and politics aren't even very wrapped up in my identity. They're just a label for the loose organization of thoughts I have about how the world should work. But if someone doesn't agree, I don't disbelieve them or hate them or think something's wrong with them. If I'm wrong, I acknowledge it. If someone has good information I can use, I don't care if they're a Republican or Democrat.

People who are partisan are suspicious of outside sources of information, blatantly disbelieve anyone assumed to be in the out-group, and are resistant to altering perceptions and opinions given changing circumstances and sets of facts.

I mean, look at this Rittenhouse thing. I had a vague idea about it from the media and figured he was guilty probably. I can't say I lent it much thought. Just happened to be having a slow week at home with work and school, started watching the trial, and . . . this was not at all what I was told. Wrong facts, blatant omissions of fact, misinformation - or no information at all! It didn't matter. And no amount of correction changes it.

Because it's about identity. White Militias vs BLM. Trumpists vs the Left. Where do you stand? And if you don't stand with us, you stand with them.

Or I just, you know, read.

When it's about identity, it's about the Narrative. So wokeness sells a narrative. How do I know? Because no one makes up that many different terms and concepts, and pushes them to replace easily understood common language unless it's to control a Narrative. It happens throughout history. Orwell wrote about it. Don't get me wrong, the Right is very, very good at narratives and using language to sell them. For a long time, I've felt they're much better at it than us.

But I agree with the author. It isn't an education thing. It's an identity thing. If your identity is deeply tied into your politics, you're more susceptible to this stuff. Because challenges to ideas are then perceived as threatening to the personal. If you're not partisan, this stuff doesn't soak in nearly as far.

I think that's why I often feel I'm standing slightly apart, looking in and going, "Ok, we're just getting crazy now. This isn't rational thought anymore. This is coming from a place of id."

But it's all interesting enough, I suppose.

[crickets]

3. Interesting read. K&R for visibility.

[Amishman]

4. Shrug, I don't consider myself woke and I'm a proud member of the Democratic party

Doesn't go hand in hand.

I put labor and economic issues miles ahead of social and identity issues.

We all have our own view points and priorities