So, if you see a man carrying an AR 15 down the road

[boston bean]

and you know he just shot someone and are concerned it is a mass shooting event you are the aggressor for taking action? You don’t have the right to protect others and yourself cause the shooter is afraid of you???

This world is so damn ass backwards I can barely stand it.

How the hell did we all somehow let it get this way?

[getemjoe]

1. I'll get as far

away from you as possible but that’s just me

[boston bean]

2. So wouldn't I, but there are heroes amongst us too.

[Irish_Dem]

3. If you see a male carrying an AR 15 down the road, assume he will shoot and kill you.

And get away with it.

[Progressive Jones]

5. Not if I "feel threatened" first. nt

[Irish_Dem]

6. Only white males are allowed to "feel threatened."

I wonder what would happen if females were the ones carrying guns and shooting people all the time?

[Progressive Jones]

13. I'm as white as they come. I'm Irish !!! nt

[Irish_Dem]

16. Right, if I didn't have freckles, I would be casper the ghost.

[RobinA]

35. Hell, I Assume

a guy in a pick-up truck with a flag flying from it will shoot and kill me.

[Irish_Dem]

36. Those trucks scare the bejabbers out of me.

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I steer clear of them.

[NullTuples]

37. That's exactly why they build them that way & drive them around.

Buncha mid-rank male chimps performing their dominance display.

[Irish_Dem]

42. Probably more like low rank male chimps wishing they were mid rank.

[Mopar151]

46. It takes a short man to drive a tall truck!!

Not to mention the whole overcompensation thang.....

[Irish_Dem]

49. Right the guns are substitutions for something else.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

51. So what does that make me?

[Irish_Dem]

54. Depends upon what a person does with the gun.

If you don't wave your gun around in people's faces or murder innocent people, you are fine.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

55. That I don't do,

because I don't own or want any firearms in my home or in my truck.

[Irish_Dem]

57. That is good.

Did you carry a gun as a combat engineer?

I am an AF brat, my father flew combat in three wars.

The only time I saw him carry a gun was when he was flying back and forth to Da Nang.
(We were stationed overseas during the VN war.)

It was a small hand gun strapped to his waist. I had never seen him carry a gun and I asked him why he had the gun. He said it was in case the plane got shot down and they were being captured. I didn't think the gum looked adequate for the job, but I didn't say anything. I was just a kid.

He was a tail gunner in WWII so I guess that counts as a gun.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

58. Did you carry a gun as a combat engineer?

Yes I did, my first tour in Vietnam I carried the M-14, on my second tour, I carried the M-16A1, hated it because it didn't have the stopping power of the M-14 but I could carry more ammo due to the lesser weight of the 5.56x45mm as compared to the 7.62x51mm.

After I retired from the Corps, the only firearm I had was a Colt .45 which, after my wife passed, I decided to get rid of it, just didn't see the need for it and I never want to inflict harm on another human being again.

[NullTuples]

53. Low rank male chimps wouldn't put on a display challenging the world to try to knock them down.

In the chimp world much of rank is built on connections & physical ability to dominate. In our human world, one that's had division of labor for 10,000 years and capitalism for a few hundred, rank is based on displaying what or who one owns & controls...or appears to own and therefore control. In that light, anyone who can afford a $20k truck and put another $20k into it and (perhaps just as important) get away with normally disallowed behaviors b/c white, male law enforcement is on their side...really is mid-rank.

[Irish_Dem]

59. Good points.

I was referring more to sexual inadequacy levels, not necessarily societal/economic status.

[NullTuples]

61. With chimps it's all the same...except for zeta males.

[Progressive Jones]

4. Gun addicts in state houses writing gun laws. Same yokel legislators passing those laws. nt

[Kaleva]

7. I seek cover if i see a person with a gun who i know just shot someone.

[boston bean]

9. What if you couldn't and you touched his gun and he says

he shot you cause he was afraid you would get his gun and shoot him.


And he gets off Scott free for killing you.

[Kaleva]

15. How could I possibly touch his gun if I'm actively seeking cover and trying to flee the area?

[boston bean]

17. I asked what if you couldn't flee.

[Hav]

21. Hands up and hope he doesn't shoot me

No other options left in your scenario. I wouldn't attack him and try to grab his gun.
If he walks away, I'll call the cops but I'm not chasing him down.

[boston bean]

22. If I had a chance I would try to get the barrel,of a gun pointed away from me.

[Hav]

25. I think that's natural reaction

if you believe that he's about to shoot you. Otherwise, I'd stay as far away as possible from the kind of people who run around with an AR-15 and just shot someone.

[rgbecker]

8. It is weird, but I'm reading it the other way.

In your scenario, if you shoot the guy, you can claim self defense, as you were afraid he was going do you or someone else great bodily harm...but if you miss and he kills you, he could also claim self defense as he clearly could show he was fearful that you were going to harm him.

Welcome to the world of the NRA. They want you to "arm up", send profits to the gun companies and start practicing your marksmanship.

Question is: Do you have any interest in killing people, regardless of what it looks like is going on, or are you maybe a little more thoughtful and sensitive and would rather leave it to the authorities?

[boston bean]

11. In this scenario only one person has the gun.

He said he was afraid his gun would be taken away and used in him.

This is fucking ludicrous.

[FBaggins]

28. No - there were two people with guns

Three really… though the first one presumably fired into the air

[boston bean]

31. Two had NO gun. Is that a fact or not?

[FBaggins]

33. Of course - at least three in fact

[Buckeye_Democrat]

10. It's messed up.

"He MIGHT take the gun that I BROUGHT HERE and shoot me with it, so I had to defend myself and kill him first!"

[FBaggins]

30. Not so crazy

He was being chased by someone who obviously believed he could take on a kid with a gun.

They weren’t playing tag.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

39. Then I'll act like the judge and call that propensity...

... evidence against Rosenbaum, so it's not allowed to be used in the case!

Despite how it's an indication of INTENT instead, or possible intent.

[Beartracks]

12. "Man"? Maybe HE thought so.

[Skittles]

14. these are scenarios stupid gun humpers never envision

it's all about them and their hero fantasies

[Red Mountain]

18. Are you driving?

Aren't some states making it OK to run over protestors if you feel threatened?

Swerve for America!

[Rebl2]

44. Yep

[2naSalit]

48. That's what I was thinking.

[ripcord]

19. Depends on the situation

Was the person shot paissed off that someone put out his arson fire and was advancing them?

[Devil Child]

27. +1 ripcord, I would like additional clarification

for proper answering of this what-if scenario.

[sanatanadharma]

20. I see an unstable individual, likely delusional, certainly deplorable, probably dangerous

I foresee two possible outcomes in America.

Those of us who are appalled by the trajectory of gun-deification may eventually find that our concerns were unwarranted.

Or, everyone will be surprised by the end of a short-lived experiment in anti-prohibition.
An anti-social experiment resulting in enough carnage to drive public political opinion toward embracing gun control with teeth.
The NRA and 2nd A be damned! Changed!

The inability to foresee now the unseen (i.e. sensible gun laws) does not negate the possibility that the future, when seen, will be that which some say can never be.

[FBaggins]

23. No... you don't lose the right to protect yourself

If the last victim had pulled the trigger and killed Rittenhouse - and then been charged - he could claim self defense.

He wouldn’t have to be correct about Rittenhouse’s actions - it would only have to be reasonable to believe that there was a threat (which, of course, there was).

[yagotme]

32. His case in that scenario, would have been more of an uphill battle,

as video shows him advancing, not retreating. He was advancing with his hands up, but then pointed his gun at KR. A good prosecutor would probably point this out as GG being the aggressor, more than KR, who was on the ground. Also, his permit had been pulled, and he did not have legal permission to carry a pistol concealed.

[LizBeth]

24. Right. You know all those "good men with guns" that then pull out gun and shoot the man

because they are protecting others from a murder? What do they become?

[maxrandb]

26. A Wisconsin jury

said that someone from out of state can come and murder other Wisconsonites.

How "neighborly" of them.

[demigoddess]

29. saw a guy carrying a gun like that in Goodwill once. Left immediately, swore I would never go back

haven't been yet.

[Evolve Dammit]

38. Well, there is sweet stuff in the bargain rack when they first bring it out. Gotta stand yer ground

[SYFROYH]

34. Pretty much.

Unless the shooter is actively shooting innocent people, in the eyes of the law it’s risky business to use force to subdue someone.

The safest thing to do might be to call the police and take video or pics of suspect.

[kaotikross]

40. Okay..

At which point they'll give him a bottle of water, a pat on the back and promptly release him. Yay. That was helpful. Thanks, cops.
The left needs to arm up and take our self defense seriously. Learn to use the tool you hate because the way this is going it might be the only thing that saves your life.

[LiberalFighter]

41. I would suggest calling 911 and telling the damn cops to do their job.

I would encourage everyone in the vicinity to do the same.

Maybe use that tactic at protests and report anyone with a firearm as a threat.

[Rebl2]

43. Ronald Regan

Republicans. That’s how.

[dlk]

45. Thank you NRA...

[taxi]

50. This is their albatross

Not to do with a recent trial, but going forward the armed persons will find themselves in the figurative crosshairs of conflicting beliefs.

An armed person, realizing himself soon to be threatened, begins to react and gets shot.
An armed person, not realizing himself soon to be threatened, can only draw the weapon with intent to kill.

Any vigilante can ferret out an unknown vigalante by causing him to react. A reaction that reveals he may be armed will lead to him being immediately shot, however, if he doesn't counter the threat he will still be shot anyway. So if he shoots it is murder, if he reacts he gets shot, if he doesn't react he gets shot.

The brave men, afraid to use their weapons, may soon know they've been had.

[pinkstarburst]

52. Depends on the situation

If you are in a school hallway, that's a situation where there should never be an AR-15, so a guy carrying on is almost certainly a mass shooter.

If you are in a state where citizens are allowed to carry guns openly in the streets, it gets murky. In Texas (as in many red states--Wisconsin, too, I'm sure), they have lots of people carrying guns at protests. If I saw a guy with an AR-15 and had heard gunshots, I would call the police. They are the ones who are trained to deal with that sort of thing. I am not.

The problem with the Rittenhouse situation is that we had thousands of people who chose to purposefully put themselves into a dangerous situation by being at a riot with many other angry people on opposite sides of a heated issue after midnight. I would suspect a fair number of those remaining at that point had mental health issues, or had come looking for trouble. Rittenhouse certainly did. All three of the men shot certainly did. You have that sort of powder keg situation, and something like this is inevitable.

The entire fault of what happened is really on Rosenbaum, the homeless biopolar child pedophile who spent 15 years in prison and who had just been released from the hospital on a mental health hold prior to showing up at the riot. He was going around trying to start fights and start fires all night, and finally began stalking and attacked Rittenhouse.

At that point, the other two (who also had criminal histories, but we can ignore that for a second), Huber and Grosskreutz, were unfortunately caught up in a situation where they mistakenly believed they were heroically taking down a mass shooter. They were not. Rittenhouse had just been assaulted by Rosenbaum. So while Huber believed he was being a hero, all Rittenhouse knew was that some man was bashing his head in with a skateboard. And so he again acted in what he believed to be self defense. The Grosskreutz approached and the same thing happened.

[ZonkerHarris]

56. If I'n in my car in FL I get to run him over, in self defence, stand my ground or something.

Why take chances?
I'll just run him over now and worry about the rest later

[TigressDem]

60. 1 flaw, initially before he started shooting, he was mistaken for an active shooter.

However, the better question I have heard is....

A young black man (17 years old) walks down the street with an AR-15 and passes a bunch of cops.

What happens?


A) He gets "THANK YOU for your support!" and a water bottle.
B) He gets arrested for having an assault weapon and no license to use it.
C) Shot dead on the spot in under 10 minutes


Even assuming A - then this same guy walks on, people think he's an active shooter because he has a gun and they have been told shots were fired..... the crowd tries to disarm him and one person is shot

He moves on and continues to be accosted by people who think he is (and now he really is) an active shooter.

THEN this young black man walks back to the police after shooting people and tries to surrender.


What happens?

A) He gets taken into custody but released and goes home to his own bed to await trial.
B) He gets thrown in jail and is STILL waiting for his trial
C) He is shot dead before he gets to the squad car.