I've read some posts on FB that have endorsed Rittenhaus killing a victim because

[no_hypocrisy]

he was a former pedophile.

That doesn't give him rights for extrajudicial assassination. The courts/judicial system have dealt with this issue already. And I'm certain that Rittenhaus doesn't get a "Freebie" for killing an ex-con.

[murielm99]

1. Who was a pedophile?

An ex-con?

[janterry]

10. Joseph Rosenbaum was a registered sex offender and all-around

pretty bad guy.

Joseph Rosenbaum was convicted of having sex with a minor in Arizona in 2002

There's a video of him using racist language, and being threatening - the day he died. I wish NO one had died that night. Not even Rosenbaum.

But Rosenbaum was no choir boy. I'm shocked he's being portrayed as such in the media

I don't know how to spoiler a video. You can find it by googling: Joseph Rosenbaum: "Shoot me, n----!" at Kenosha riot, Aug 26, 2020

it's a youtube video. I wasn't sure if I should post it here?

[madaboutharry]

2. There is no such thing as a former pedophile.

Study after study reveals that there is no reforming these people.

I agree that there is no right to take anyone's life. He served 14 years in prison and that is all anyone can say about it.

[Haggard Celine]

3. I think it was a factor in letting Kyle go.

They shouldn't even have been allowed to bring that up at the trial. It isn't like Kyle knew who he was killing and their life history. It could have been anybody.

[Hav]

6. It wasn't brought up during the trial (n/t)

[Haggard Celine]

7. I had heard that it was.

I read an article somewhere that argued that they thought it was a factor, and it made sense to me. Was the fact generally known in the press before the case went to court?

[Hav]

8. The judge didn't allow the defense

to bring up Rosenbaum's criminal record and Huber's record wasn't mentioned as well.

[Haggard Celine]

9. Thanks for the info.

I don't want to be repeating things that are erroneous. There's already plenty of that surrounding this case.

[FBaggins]

12. It couldn't be

That would be prejudicial (in the legal sense). It couldn’t have influenced Rittenhouse’s behavior and wasn’t relevant.

If, OTOH, there were to be a civil trial… that would be different

[janterry]

13. you can find the video of Rosenbaum that night

using racist language and being threatening. (I posted above). I didn't want to link to the video(?) It's relevant, but I didn't want my post to be offensive (and I didn't know how to spoiler it on this website).

I wish no one had died that night. Including Rosenbaum. But his behavior on that tape wasn't - peaceful. Or interested in 'racial justice.' It was just the opposite.

[BlackSkimmer]

14. Yes, I've seen that video. Screaming the n word at a black man, among other things.

A real prince.

[FBaggins]

15. More relevant than his criminal past

Also relevant in light of the fact that he had literally just been released from a mental facility for trying to commit suicide. He didn’t just use racist language and act threatening… he literally demanded to be shot. I don’t think this was directed toward the defendant, but a reasonable case could be made that he was trying to end his life.

And perhaps even make him responsible for the other shootings.

[Haggard Celine]

17. So his lawyer can bring it up if he gets sued?

Wow, that's pretty dirty! But if the judge allows it, I guess his lawyer will do whatever he can to win, including putting the victims on trial. This case is multifaceted. I don't think many people shed any tears over the people Kyle shot, but it was a crime and it should be answered. Maybe the families of the victims will win all of that money that the RWers donated to him. That would at least be some justice.

[janterry]

18. You'll have testimony that a man lowered his glock

AT KR and THEN KR fired.

I don't like what happened that night. At all.

But I don't think that case would be easy. I'm not an attorney. So, I'll let attorney's weigh in.

[FBaggins]

21. Of course

Not “dirty” at all. When you transfer from the state bringing criminal charges to a civil case between two people (one represented by family) - the background and actions of both people becomes relevant.

[mopinko]

23. if they win, next step is to decide how much those lives were worth.

i wont be surprised if a civil suit doesnt happen.

[FBaggins]

25. They won't win

I too would be surprised if they try (though perhaps the “fund me” benefits might be enough to make it worth the effort).

The lawsuits against the local government have a better chance - though still slim

[mopinko]

39. yeah, the tactics the cops used

are what really caused this tragedy. hit them.
find out how many of them are oath creepers and proud babies.

[Sherman A1]

4. Odd

I don’t see postings like this on my Facebook page, but then I curate my news feed to remove all memes and general crap 💩.

[GoCubsGo]

16. That is the Right's M.O.

Justify the killing because the victim has a rap sheet. Or, in the case of Breonna Taylor, being the girlfriend of someone with a rap sheet.

[Baitball Blogger]

19. It nearly happened here.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16072145

[RAB910]

20. They also say his other victim was a domestic abuser even though

there is a video of Rittenhouse beating a woman out there

[RAB910]

28. here

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/kyle-rittenhouse-video-kenosha-shooter-punch-girl-a9702206.html

[RAB910]

33. I don't like this link, but...

https://nypost.com/2020/09/01/video-shows-kenosha-shooter-kyle-rittenhouse-punching-a-girl-report/

[mackdaddy]

22. I'm sure he looked up their criminal records before pulling the trigger...

NOT!

[WhiskeyGrinder]

24. Joseph Rosenbaum hurt a lot of people and a lot of people hurt him. He was also deeply mentally ill.

He had a sad and ugly life, even before his conviction and sentence.

The weeks leading up to Rosenbaum’s death had been as chaotic as his life. Raised in Texas and Arizona, Rosenbaum met his father only twice and told his mother that he was molested by his alcoholic stepfather “on an almost daily basis,” according to court documents.

When he was 13 his mother was sent to prison for two years, and Rosenbaum was sent off to a group home, where he began using heroin and methamphetamine, according to court documents. By 18, he was in prison for sexual conduct with five preteen boys, the children of people who had taken him in after his mother told him to leave her house, according to a presentencing report. He spent most of the next 14 years behind bars.

Not long after he was released in 2016, he met a woman in Arizona and fathered a child, but the relationship didn’t last. When the woman fled to Kenosha, Rosenbaum chased her.

Sometimes, he posted pictures of his daughter on Facebook. “That is my lil princess,” he wrote in September 2019, a few months after arriving in Kenosha. “She is a daddy’s girl all the way i miss her so much.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/10/03/kenosha-shooting-victims/

[pinkstarburst]

36. Yes. Rittenhouse did not go hunting

for Rosenbaum. Rosenbaum was a deeply disturbed individual who sought out trouble his entire life. After just being released from a mental health facility that very day, he went to the riot, and was trying to pick fights with other individuals and start fires throughout the night. He then began stalking Rittenhouse.

Unfortunately this case involves multiple people who were likely mentally unbalanced or were out there that night looking for trouble (Rittenhouse, Rosenbaum, Huber, Grosskreutz.) All three of the people shot had criminal records. Their criminal records do not mean "they deserve to be killed" but the fact that Huber, for example, had five separate arrests by the Kenosha police, including for strangling and threatening to stab his brother, for which he did time in jail, may indicate he is not entirely the sort of stable, heroic individual his parents are trying to portray him as and that when he ran up and began bashing Rittenhouse over the head with his skateboard, Rittenhouse had every reason to feel this was a deadly threat. Grosskreutz also had a criminal record.

Personally, I feel that the incident was instigated by Rosenbaum, who was out there to start trouble and mentally unstable. Rittenhouse had every right to defend himself from Rosenbaum. At that point. Huber and Grosskreutz incorrectly perceived what was going on as a mass shooting and acted to take down the shooter. However what was going on was not a mass shooting, but an assault by Rosenbaum, so from Rittenhouse's point of view, when Huber began bashing his head in with a skateboard, and Grosskreutz pointed a gun at his head, he had every right to defend himself from further assault.

[Bettie]

30. I keep coming back to one thing

the only three people who were shot were shot by Kyle. Two are dead.

He did not know what they had done previously in their lives, he knew nothing about them.

But, some will look for anything to excuse murder. I remember the Trayvon Martin case around here. SO many people were all about why it was cool for Zimmerman to murder him, because 'reasons'.

[milestogo]

31. Two people died, a third was injured.

[Bettie]

34. No coffee yet...mistake

brain not fully engaged, thanks for the correction.

[milestogo]

37. ...

[keithbvadu2]

32. What would the RW FB folks say about TFG raping a 13 y/o?

What would the RW FB folks say about TFG raping a 13 y/o?

[Maggiemayhem]

35. Random victims were murdered by Rittenhouse

It has no bearing on the case that they had a less than stellar background. He very well could have murdered a a teacher of the year and a Purple Heart recipient. He had NO idea what his victims did prior to that day. Rittenhouse is a murderer no matter what the Kenosha court say.

[janterry]

40. huh

so if someone pointed a gun at you FIRST - you should just sit there and hope for the best?

That was the testimony. He said he lowered his 'glock' at KR. THEN KR responded with gunfire.

Did you watch any of the video? This was not random.

Look, gun laws need to be changed. I agree with that. No one should have died. But we need to be evidenced-based in our assessments.

[JI7]

38. What people are saying is that it backs up Rittenhouse claiming they were a threat

Their history shows they were a threat .

I think all 3 of them are shit .

I think a black person would have been convicted though and that's where the system racism comes in .