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New York TimesMore than a year later, as the president seeks to pass a robust spending package of social policies that represent the bulk of his domestic agenda, many of the same leaders are looking for a return on their political investment.
In an interview with The New York Times, Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York, one of the countrys most prominent progressives, questioned whether Democratic leaders and the White House understood the scope of the demands coming from the partys base.
The interview has been lightly edited and condensed for clarity.
elleng
(131,100 posts)or asked for, which is fine. Im not here to tell people how to run their races. But at the same time, to consider the members here that have some of the tightest relationships to our political base as just a uniform liability and not something that can be selectively deployed, or consulted, or anything I think its just sad. I think it was a mistake.
And we saw a big youth turnout collapse. Not a single person asked me to send an email, not even to my own list. And then they turn around and say, Its their fault. When I think it was communicated quite expressly that we were unwelcome to pitch in.
The idea that we just accept a collapse in youth turnout and essentially turn it into a self-fulfilling prophecy in times when races are decided by such narrow margin points: I think its ill advised.'
lapucelle
(18,319 posts)Didn't the sophomore representative from NY-14 hold campaign events with the Democratic candidate in Buffalo's mayoral race?
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,553 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 21, 2021, 04:32 PM - Edit history (1)
half a bowl of shit? Because it sure sounds like the same agenda to me.
Speaking of talking points not being enough (freudian-ish a bit?), those who call themselves Progressive but inexplicably refused to vote for the giant infrastructure and jobs bill are reportedly having trouble explaining themselves to the satisfaction of their genuinely progressive constituents.
All those paying any attention at all know that we're achieving more progressive goals right now than in the past 30 years and more! -- historic gains -- and that we're fighting for every inch we can get.
Want to understand the kind of oppositional behaviors that can turn "Progressive" into an oxymoron? Ask political psychologists. They're experts on radical-leaning and extremist political groups, who're drawn to them, and why they fail.
Voters can do with just knowing that, in over 130 years of active federal-level progressivism, factions unable to accept the compromises required by representative government of, by and for ALL people have NEVER achieved progressive change. Their score card: 0.
This isn't how it's done.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Holee shit. it's getting deep.
Thank you, Hortensis.
You've put it in terms that makes sense.
The legislative voting record speaks for itself.
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"those who call themselves progressive but inexplicably voted against the giant infrastructure and jobs bill are reportedly having trouble explaining themselves to the satisfaction of their genuinely progressive constituents."
Want to understand the kind of opposition that can turn "Progressive" into an oxymoron? Ask political psychologists. They're experts on radical-leaning and extremist political groups, who're drawn to them, and why they fail.
"Voters can do with just knowing that, in over 130 years of active federal-level progressivism, factions unable to accept the compromises required by representative government of, by and for ALL people have NEVER achieved progressive change.
Their score card: 0.
They're not the ones."
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betsuni
(25,612 posts)Stunning overconfidence followed by failure leads to blaming others (always the Democratic Party). If you believe you're right and 90% of the American people support the revolution, failure is not because of voters.
Overconfidence leads to three mistakes:
Rejecting compromise to seek a revolution
Purity testing to vilify those who disagree
Slanderous myths to defeat the Democrats
Radicals want fundamental change and believe the only way is through revolution, liberals want fundamental change and believe this requires continuing incremental change and occasionally big incremental change. Liberals see this as a strategic difference but radicals are so convinced that only they are right and it's obvious they are right and everybody knows it, that if there is disagreement it's not strategy but corruption, immorality, or evil.
Radicals reject compromise for two reasons: getting the whole pie is the only righteous thing to do, and that rejecting half the pie makes it more likely to get the whole pie. Score card: 0.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Rejecting half never gets them the whole pie, of course, but acting as spoiler throwing elections to Republicans is justified as righteous striving, and apparently also serves as a booby prize.
betsuni
(25,612 posts)"A radical is a man with both feet firmly planted -- in the air. A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs, who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. A liberal is a man who uses his legs and hands at the behest of his head."
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)have politicized the term "lunatic fringe"; and FDR's New Dealers, also plagued with hoards of upside-down wannabe revolutionaries, also used it.
"Lunatic fringe" had originally been inspired by an edgy new style of bangs, not seen by all as flattering. Those who hated walking forward, especially in women!, reportedly likened them to the hacked-off hair of women in asylums.
These days I wouldn't doubt it for a minute.
betsuni
(25,612 posts)Just saw an interview with one who supported the BREATHE act last year, interviewer asked the representative to explain why. Closing all federal prisons? "But in ten years!"
It was as if she hadn't read the bill, couldn't say anything coherent. This is fine for an activist, not fine for a legislator. "Talking points are not enough" indeed.
Tetrachloride
(7,865 posts)Lots of they and words akin to agenda.
Clarity reduced.
George II
(67,782 posts)Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)Caucus. She stays in it so she can tell her best friend in Congress Nancy Pelosi what a hardcore of at most 30 progressives are up to.
George II
(67,782 posts)...(temporarily, 34 years ago!) I was in Middletown, which is now Courtney's District. It looks like it'll be in DeLauro's District once the minor redistricting is complete.
We moved closer to Hartford in 2020, and have been in Larson's District since then.
I really like Larson, but would love to have DeLauro as my representative.
LudwigPastorius
(9,170 posts)"So if those promises don't follow through, it's going to be very, very difficult for them to get votes on anything moving forward, because the trust that was already so delicate will have been broken," Ocasio-Cortez told The Times.
https://www.businessinsider.com/aoc-social-spending-bill-doesnt-pass-trust-broken-among-democrats-2021-11
First of all, she voted against the infrastructure bill after the Senate passed it and sent it back to the House...as did Omar, Tlaib, and Pressley.
And second of all, if Manchin, or Sinema, or both of them, derail the Build Back Better Act, how is it helping anything for AOC and the progressives to then refuse to vote for any more Democratic House bills?
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)Family leave provisions. I don't know what AOC will do when it returns to the House.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Elessar Zappa
(14,047 posts)Not the squad. I cant forgive them for that, Pelosi is the best House speaker in history.
Cha
(297,643 posts)gotten the House in 2018 without the Moderates in Swing Districts campaigning on Health Care.. and flipping red seats to Blue.
Yeah, some of the Mods voted against Nancy and I bet Nancy knows why. In the end there were enough votes from All the coalitions to vote Nancy back in as Madame Speaker of the House.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)tagged #FiveWhiteMen lead the way, helping elect candidates who promised them to vote against Pelosi. I'd love to know what else Nancy knows. They failed, of course. And also got their moderate-conservative asses handed to them when two of them tried to run for the Democratic nomination.
Then of course the far left freshmen who claimed they'd promised their constituents to oust the Republican's most ferocious opponent in congress. Uhuh. Congressional observers now occasionally refer to them as the sabotage squad, only when something sparks it of course.
Rep. Ocasio-Cortez, to NY Magazine during the 2020 primaries.
Since her current party, like Biden and Pelosi, is committed to liberal progressive principles and ideals, presumably it'd be socialist. Which explains her calls to grievance and disaffection at a time of great achievement, or especially. If the Biden Plan's social infrastructure bills were twice as big as they are, 25 times, they wouldn't be socialist and thus tragically inadequate. If she were in another party she could say so.
Cha
(297,643 posts)lesson!
Elessar Zappa
(14,047 posts)Just the ones who went after Pelosi.
Cha
(297,643 posts)OnDoutside
(19,969 posts)BradAllison
(1,879 posts)And Joe thinks too many poor people are entitled. The question is who agrees with him? Post here if you've got the guts!!!!
If people here would just admit he's a no good greedy sonofabitch, they wouldn't come off so disingenuous that they seem to agree?.
People here don't like to hear it, but it's the truth.