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He Attacked Cops At The Capitol Riot. Then He Went To Air Force Basic Training. (Original Post) Celerity Nov 2021 OP
he swore a oath after Jan 6th, he was lying as he swore the oath, send him to Leavenworth Shellback Squid Nov 2021 #1
Good idea. TigressDem Nov 2021 #31
"...Since Separated From The Air Force..." ProfessorGAC Nov 2021 #2
Yeah, "separated" sounds like a mutual decision. Haggard Celine Nov 2021 #3
I was wondering about that also. Mickju Nov 2021 #9
Likely Rebl2 Nov 2021 #13
That jumped off the page at me, as well. BobTheSubgenius Nov 2021 #15
Yeah... why do they sugar-coat the message? Talitha Nov 2021 #23
Separation is what they called the process - maybe they still do. taxi Nov 2021 #24
Likely entry level seperation. Angleae Nov 2021 #27
Yup, his recruiter isn't happy taxi Nov 2021 #28
That's the official term for being kicked out of the military jmowreader Nov 2021 #34
Yup. mercuryblues Nov 2021 #35
Good catch! keithbvadu2 Nov 2021 #4
Again, a certain region of the US raises it's ugly head. nt Progressive Jones Nov 2021 #5
Not "it's", you mean "its". BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #25
Except a Cary is not a town full of locals, meaning people native to NC ms liberty Nov 2021 #32
Fucked around and found out. Swede Nov 2021 #6
Lock him up. Justice matters. Nov 2021 #7
He loves his lucious locks Demovictory9 Nov 2021 #11
Hopelessly mixed up allegiances bucolic_frolic Nov 2021 #8
trying to hind in the military ! treason little twerp ! monkeyman1 Nov 2021 #10
Just what is one supposed to think....... MyOwnPeace Nov 2021 #12
Someone who enlists in the military doesn't just "separate", there's more to it than that.... George II Nov 2021 #14
Or, Perhaps A Bad Conduct Discharge n/t DallasNE Nov 2021 #16
Dishonorable or Bad Conduct discharges cannot be given Prof. Toru Tanaka Nov 2021 #18
There is one called: 'Unsuitable for Military Duty' Captain Zero Nov 2021 #20
Made Me Look It Up DallasNE Nov 2021 #21
Yep, you don't want a general discharge. Elwood P Dowd Nov 2021 #22
Thank you. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #29
In the Army we would call it "entry level separation" jmowreader Nov 2021 #36
He is in such deep shit. marble falls Nov 2021 #17
throw him in the slammer ....15 years in jail !!!!! Trueblue1968 Nov 2021 #19
When I was in the USAF, they shaved the heads of the males. BlackSkimmer Nov 2021 #26
So smart of them to push their masks down for proper identification. nt TigressDem Nov 2021 #30
Amazing. Years ago if one got into trouble and appeared before a judge. LiberalFighter Nov 2021 #33

Haggard Celine

(16,962 posts)
3. Yeah, "separated" sounds like a mutual decision.
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 08:13 PM
Nov 2021

Maybe it was mutually agreed upon after they told him that he was going to the brig if he didn't get the fuck off their base.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,718 posts)
15. That jumped off the page at me, as well.
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:50 PM
Nov 2021

He was lucky he wasn't charged by the USAF, but I wish he had been.

taxi

(1,899 posts)
24. Separation is what they called the process - maybe they still do.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 11:33 AM
Nov 2021

One would get Separated under Honorable or Other Than Honorable conditions; Separated with a BCD (bad conduct discharge), Separated for immediate reenlistment, or whatever else.

A different question is, under what conditions was he Separated from the USAF upon their learning of his involvement on and before Jan 6? Was it Honorable, Other Than Honorable, BCD, or something else?


Angleae

(4,601 posts)
27. Likely entry level seperation.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:02 PM
Nov 2021

A special discharge that can only be given out in a members first 6 months. It's basically a nullification. For all practical purposes, he was never in the military.

mercuryblues

(14,767 posts)
35. Yup.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 09:53 PM
Nov 2021

That's what my daughter calls it. Actually, her exact quote is...

If you want to get kicked out, come see me. I can make that happen. If you don't want to be kicked out, straighten up as of now. I can still kick you out.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
25. Not "it's", you mean "its".
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:40 PM
Nov 2021

Perhaps you should do some research on where the January 6 traitors came from.

NY, CA, OH, PA, and on and on.

I think only 5 states were not represented in the insurrection. NC was surpassed by northeast and Midwest states.

ms liberty

(9,511 posts)
32. Except a Cary is not a town full of locals, meaning people native to NC
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 07:53 PM
Nov 2021

Cary is a very upscale community that has been popular with the professionals working in Raleigh, Durham and Research Triangle Park, for like more than 30/40 years. A lot of transplants, from all over the place. My MIL says it was a nice small town when she lived there about 1970. My husband's family is from Durham, and we still have family in the area. One of my husband's uncles lived in Cary until his death last year from cancer.

And I would add that NC is a purple state. Our current Gov is a Dem.

MyOwnPeace

(17,185 posts)
12. Just what is one supposed to think.......
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:22 PM
Nov 2021

realizing that someone like that who did what he did is now part of our national military?
Should I be 'resting comfortably" knowing someone like that would 'be on guard?"

Really drives home the same concerns of our local and state police forces. Just who ARE they protecting?
I know that there would be a whole bunch of people pointing out that the "bad cops" are in the minority - but, what if you happen to be in a situation with one from 'the minority?".......... (you can take it from there........)

George II

(67,782 posts)
14. Someone who enlists in the military doesn't just "separate", there's more to it than that....
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 09:45 PM
Nov 2021

Was he dishonorably discharged?

Prof. Toru Tanaka

(2,197 posts)
18. Dishonorable or Bad Conduct discharges cannot be given
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:15 PM
Nov 2021

without a guilty verdict in a court-martial trial.

If he was still in basic, he would have served less than 180 days. He could be simply administratively separated from the USAF.

Of course, they could have threatened to bring charges against him if he did not agree to an administrative separation.

Whatever the circumstances, looks like Harvard is going to be doing some time behind bars.

Captain Zero

(7,280 posts)
20. There is one called: 'Unsuitable for Military Duty'
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 10:36 PM
Nov 2021

I hope he got one for his sedition. I knew a special needs guy who got one about 3 months in when they figured out he would go awol when he pleased, and that he really was functionally illiterate. It was some years ago. Took them a while but they figured it out. He was very verbal and used SAT vocab words at times when speaking. There really are people like that among us. Funnier still was some years later he talked himself into about 6 months of services from the VA, for which, of course, he was not eligible. Haha.
Took them a while to figure that out too.
And years afterward when I knew him he was still really sore about not being able to use HIS VA benefits because, dammit, he had been in the army!

DallasNE

(7,504 posts)
21. Made Me Look It Up
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:00 PM
Nov 2021

I was pretty sure that an Article 15 did not carry a discharge option. But could there be an administrative discharge that was less than a judicial bad conduct discharge? The answer is yes.

A general discharge may or may not mean that the service member did something wrong. It is not punitive but does mean that some particular condition or circumstance warranted the member’s separation from the military.

This would mean that he has a less than honorable discharge, I believe.

Elwood P Dowd

(11,443 posts)
22. Yep, you don't want a general discharge.
Thu Nov 25, 2021, 11:12 PM
Nov 2021

When I completed my 2 years of Army service during the Vietnam era, the corporation I worked for wanted a copy of my DD214 showing I had an honorable discharge. Boss told me a general was a definite no-go for his company.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
29. Thank you.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 02:49 PM
Nov 2021

It amazes me how many people speak of military discharges with NO idea how many there are and how they are given.

jmowreader

(51,103 posts)
36. In the Army we would call it "entry level separation"
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 09:53 PM
Nov 2021

Unless a trainee does something like try to shoot his drill sergeant, the Army really likes using ELS to get rid of their problem children, because it's so quick to do - fill out one form and collect the soldier's uniforms, and they're gone. The Air Force almost certainly has the same thing.

Given that, you have GOT to be a special kind of stupid to try hiding after participating in an insurrection against the government by joining the Air Force.

 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
26. When I was in the USAF, they shaved the heads of the males.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 01:42 PM
Nov 2021

Looks like he never even made it out of Basic, the loser.

LiberalFighter

(53,082 posts)
33. Amazing. Years ago if one got into trouble and appeared before a judge.
Fri Nov 26, 2021, 07:59 PM
Nov 2021

Some might get the option of the charges being dropped if they enlisted.

I hope they don't do that anymore.

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