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live love laugh

(13,189 posts)
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:11 PM Nov 2021

Omicron extremely mild no hospitalizations

https://qz.com/2095354/what-are-the-symptoms-of-the-omicron-variant/amp/

The South African doctor who first identified the omicron variant that is spreading in the country and abroad has described the symptoms as she observed them in her patients, stating that the strain is so far producing “very, very mild” effects in them.

Dr Angelique Coetzee told BBC News that she had first noticed the symptoms in a young, male patient around the age of 30 whom she normally knew to be very healthy. He was “extremely tired” as well as having “body aches and pains with a bit of a headache,” a “scratchy” rather than sore throat, and no cough or loss of taste or smell, she said. The doctor was speaking about her experience of a small group of patients, and not making general comments about how all patients will experience it.

What are the symptoms of the omicron variant?
Coetzee tested the man for covid-19 and found him to be positive, then tested his family and found them all to have the virus, despite showing only “very, very mild symptoms,” she said.

For the rest of the day, people kept presenting at her surgery with similar symptoms, and all tested positive. Noticing that the symptoms seemed to differ from the delta variant, which had hitherto been the most prevalent form of covid globally, she alerted the country’s vaccines committee, of which she is a member. They announced their resultant discovery of the omicron variant a few days later.

Perhaps reassuringly for those who are worrying about this new development, Coetzee noted that none of the cases she knew of were serious. “What we are seeing clinically in South Africa, and remember that I’m at the epicenter, that’s where I’m practicing, is extremely mild…We haven’t admitted anyone [to hospital]. I spoke to other colleagues of mine: The same picture,” she told the BBC.
However, she did caution that the picture might change in the next weeks.
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Omicron extremely mild no hospitalizations (Original Post) live love laugh Nov 2021 OP
Well that's certainly good news! Hugh_Lebowski Nov 2021 #1
Exactly what I was thinking True Dough Nov 2021 #5
Agreed... FirstLight Nov 2021 #30
One has to be very cautious about both the positive and negative stories... Girard442 Nov 2021 #2
Others are saying it's too early to generalize from this sample, Tanuki Nov 2021 #3
Cassandras gonna hate this greenjar_01 Nov 2021 #4
There has been a group here who has consistently ridiculed those who are concerned Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #8
'tis indeed curious GusBob Nov 2021 #14
Holiday gathering... FirstLight Nov 2021 #31
I don't believe you n/t ornotna Nov 2021 #9
In the myth Cassandra was right Blues Heron Nov 2021 #33
I always identify people in the way they prefer to be identified greenjar_01 Nov 2021 #34
Good effort at a save. It almost covers up the fact that you didn't really understand Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #41
Riiiiiight greenjar_01 Nov 2021 #42
It was merely an observation about buffoons. Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #43
Oh well done greenjar_01 Nov 2021 #45
Get a clue. LisaL Nov 2021 #35
Right on cue! greenjar_01 Nov 2021 #44
If this bears out, this could be the end of the pandemic! Waiting for official Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #6
Oil market thinks it's over durablend Nov 2021 #15
The virus could be moderating. roamer65 Nov 2021 #7
It's been weird how much this has resembled the course of the 1918 flu. I guess we don't Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #10
In a hundred years? former9thward Nov 2021 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #48
It will be interesting to see if those with very mild Omicron symptoms escape long haul effects. tblue37 Nov 2021 #11
That's my question! Delmette2.0 Nov 2021 #26
Interesting that they supposedly don't get loss of taste & smell womanofthehills Nov 2021 #40
Yep. This is the big question mark. nt crickets Nov 2021 #56
I think it's best to hope for the best and get vaccinated. Tomconroy Nov 2021 #12
Until most of the world is immunized there will be new "variants of concern." Hortensis Nov 2021 #13
That's exactly what happened with influenza. Initech Nov 2021 #16
Yes. Interestingly, I was surprised to learn that only a fraction Hortensis Nov 2021 #17
Well, that "every day virus" (flu) kills a lot of people every year in this country Texin Nov 2021 #22
Oh no we definitely haven't heard the last of COVID. It will be back. Initech Nov 2021 #23
But only a fraction of what we have been told it kills. Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #24
Covid for the most part has been fatal to the elderly, even the Tomconroy Nov 2021 #38
+1, "We're all going to get it at some point, ..." uponit7771 Nov 2021 #54
That is what I read a few days ago, symptoms were fatigue with no loss of smell or taste. nt yaesu Nov 2021 #18
And a scratchy throat with no cough. This is great news, but I am trying to hold Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #25
Good to hear jalan48 Nov 2021 #19
Omicron Variant Drives Rise in Covid-19 Hospitalizations in South Africa speak easy Nov 2021 #20
WSJ: Omicron Variant Drives Rise in Covid-19 Hospitalizations in South Africa Hot Spot NickB79 Nov 2021 #21
Oddly that province was by a far stretch the hot spot in the Tomconroy Nov 2021 #39
Too small a sample size and too small an age range Raftergirl Nov 2021 #27
Exactly right RedArkGuy Nov 2021 #57
This is how most virus' mutate relayerbob Nov 2021 #28
Omicron has shown up in the UK, Netherlands, wnylib Nov 2021 #29
Hospitalizations are increasing in South Africa. LisaL Nov 2021 #36
But are those hospitalizations wnylib Nov 2021 #46
Delta has been present globally for many months now. Pobeka Nov 2021 #50
Delta infections spiked here too for a short time, We'll see. uponit7771 Nov 2021 #55
I was not suggesting that delta had wnylib Nov 2021 #60
I did take it that way, thanks for clearing it up. Pobeka Nov 2021 #61
That's a big jump. I am going to hope that doctor's observations bear out, but I'm going to assume Scrivener7 Nov 2021 #58
Doctor's observation only pertain to her presumably small number of patients. LisaL Nov 2021 #62
Anecdotal evidence based on a small number of patients this particular doctor had. LisaL Nov 2021 #32
Agreed...this one doctor is getting WAY too much press nt Shermann Nov 2021 #37
Deaths have spiked too n/t FreeState Nov 2021 #49
Do you have a source for that? TIA n/t Pobeka Nov 2021 #51
Worldometers data here FreeState Nov 2021 #52
Thanks! nt Pobeka Nov 2021 #53
Extremely good news! (n/t) Patton French Nov 2021 #59
I love that out very own BannonsLiver Nov 2021 #63
You keep using that term "clout chasing" and calling out posters with it GusBob Nov 2021 #64
So, basically, it's a cold? Angleae Nov 2021 #65
No. LisaL Nov 2021 #66
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
1. Well that's certainly good news!
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:20 PM
Nov 2021

However, mutations that are presenting in general are worrisome, might not get so lucky next time.

True Dough

(17,366 posts)
5. Exactly what I was thinking
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:27 PM
Nov 2021

I don't wish for a virulent mutation but the fact that Omicron is giving impressions of being mild will have many on the right spewing about how the left is always blowing things out of proportion relating to Covid. But the more people downplay the virus and fail to get vaccinated, the more likely it is that a truly nasty strain is going to land on our doorsteps. They just don't get that concept!

FirstLight

(13,367 posts)
30. Agreed...
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 04:22 PM
Nov 2021

While on the one hand I think this will become our "new normal" and there's always gonna be a variant or two in play, That doesn't mean that ALL of them are gonna be "weaker".

And I know of a couple anti-vaxers who have the mindset of ..."See? It's not as bad as you say!"

That mentality is dangerous IMO

Girard442

(6,087 posts)
2. One has to be very cautious about both the positive and negative stories...
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:21 PM
Nov 2021

...Still, I'd rather be here than in most of the scenarios I can imagine.

Tanuki

(14,927 posts)
3. Others are saying it's too early to generalize from this sample,
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:23 PM
Nov 2021

as the cluster at a university in Praetoria led to an over-representation of young, healthy people who usually fare relatively well with covid.

https://www.who.int/news/item/28-11-2021-update-on-omicron

..."Severity of disease: It is not yet clear whether infection with Omicron causes more severe disease compared to infections with other variants, including Delta.  Preliminary data suggests that there are increasing rates of hospitalization in South Africa, but this may be due to increasing overall numbers of people becoming infected, rather than a result of specific infection with Omicron.  There is currently no information to suggest that symptoms associated with Omicron are different from those from other variants.  Initial reported infections were among university students—younger individuals who tend to have more mild disease—but understanding the level of severity of the Omicron variant will take days to several weeks.  All variants of COVID-19, including the Delta variant that is dominant worldwide, can cause severe disease or death, in particular for the most vulnerable people, and thus prevention is always key. "...(more)

 

Scrivener7

(51,076 posts)
8. There has been a group here who has consistently ridiculed those who are concerned
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:34 PM
Nov 2021

and cautious about a deadly pandemic. I find those people to be as hilarious as they are dim-witted.

So far in the pandemic, the concerned and cautious have been right to be concerned and cautious at every turn.

I'd bet money that the ridiculers have never noticed that they have been wrong at every turn. They seem to feel themselves a superior bunch.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
14. 'tis indeed curious
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 02:16 PM
Nov 2021

its almost as if the ridiculers think a COVID variant is-dare a say it- a hoax

Delta put the whack on my entire family after a funeral we had put off for 1.5 years. Now with Christmas coming up I'm gonna pay attention and remain informed about COVID variants

I am thankful for the information that was posted here in the past few days. And the second sentence in post #8 is spot on

FirstLight

(13,367 posts)
31. Holiday gathering...
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 04:27 PM
Nov 2021

So many folks were really upset about isolating last year so now it's gonna be a free-for-all...

Kinda glad that this hit when our family's grankids (myne & sister's kids)hit adulthood and moved out, and my folks are to frail to have big gatherings anymore.
I have no plans to spend it anywhere but here...and I'm honestly re-thinking my current job at a hotel and seeking remote or tutoring gigs.

Blues Heron

(5,948 posts)
33. In the myth Cassandra was right
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 05:01 PM
Nov 2021

Her particular curse was that she was given the power of true prophecy but doomed to have the morons around her constantly disbelieve her.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
34. I always identify people in the way they prefer to be identified
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 05:25 PM
Nov 2021

Even if it is clownish self-flattery.



Scrivener7

(51,076 posts)
41. Good effort at a save. It almost covers up the fact that you didn't really understand
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 09:08 PM
Nov 2021

the context of your own statement.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
42. Riiiiiight
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 09:13 PM
Nov 2021

Since we're giving each other compliments, that was a nice skirting of the personal attack rules upthread. Appreciate your skilled language use, friendo!

Scrivener7

(51,076 posts)
6. If this bears out, this could be the end of the pandemic! Waiting for official
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:27 PM
Nov 2021

notices of this news, but this is very hopeful.

roamer65

(36,748 posts)
7. The virus could be moderating.
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:30 PM
Nov 2021

More infectious and less virulent is the usual evolutionary path for a virus.

Rather similar to the timeline of the 1918 flu virus if so.

🤞

Scrivener7

(51,076 posts)
10. It's been weird how much this has resembled the course of the 1918 flu. I guess we don't
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:35 PM
Nov 2021

evolve much.

Response to former9thward (Reply #47)

tblue37

(65,527 posts)
11. It will be interesting to see if those with very mild Omicron symptoms escape long haul effects.
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:39 PM
Nov 2021

Last edited Mon Nov 29, 2021, 05:24 PM - Edit history (1)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Until most of the world is immunized there will be new "variants of concern."
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 01:57 PM
Nov 2021

Omicron isn't the last by any means.

However, the usual life course of a virus is to become less lethal. Presumably that's what happened to the "common cold" viruses, perhaps starting out killing their hosts but achieving viral superstar success as permanent, endemic nuisances.

I'm wondering if Omicron is following that pattern. It's taking over from other SARS-CoV-2 mutations where it's spreading, and it may well be less lethal. ??

Initech

(100,131 posts)
16. That's exactly what happened with influenza.
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 02:33 PM
Nov 2021

It got more lethal, then it got less lethal, and eventually became an every day virus that we have to deal with. We never have and probably never will eradicate the flu. And we will most likely never get rid of COVID. But it will just keep becoming less lethal. We're all going to get it at some point, but I'd much rather have a mild cough than two weeks in the ICU or die.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
17. Yes. Interestingly, I was surprised to learn that only a fraction
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 03:01 PM
Nov 2021

those who die from "the flu" are actually killed by the flu viruses themselves, but rather from other causes it opens the door to, the pneumonia virus #1. Deaths attributable to flu virus alone are so low and misleading about the actual danger that experts calculate an algorhythm or multiplier from various factors to estimate how many are really expected to die from the next flu epidemic. The things you learn these days.

Texin

(2,600 posts)
22. Well, that "every day virus" (flu) kills a lot of people every year in this country
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 03:23 PM
Nov 2021

and worldwide too. Because the Omicron variant appears at this point to be less severe, it doesn't mean that future ones will be the same.

Scrivener7

(51,076 posts)
24. But only a fraction of what we have been told it kills.
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 03:40 PM
Nov 2021
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/comparing-covid-19-deaths-to-flu-deaths-is-like-comparing-apples-to-oranges/

In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts.
 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
38. Covid for the most part has been fatal to the elderly, even the
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 06:02 PM
Nov 2021

Vaxxed elderly and the seriously immuno compromised. For the rest of the vaccinated Covid is endemic and has been since the summer.

Scrivener7

(51,076 posts)
25. And a scratchy throat with no cough. This is great news, but I am trying to hold
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 03:44 PM
Nov 2021

back on being joyful about it. We need to wait and see if these very mild symptoms bear out as the variant spreads.

But if they do, it's a game changer.

NickB79

(19,285 posts)
21. WSJ: Omicron Variant Drives Rise in Covid-19 Hospitalizations in South Africa Hot Spot
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 03:12 PM
Nov 2021
https://www.wsj.com/articles/omicron-variant-drives-rise-in-covid-19-hospitalizations-in-south-africa-hot-spot-11638185629

JOHANNESBURG—The emergence of the Omicron variant of the coronavirus in South Africa has driven a sharp increase in Covid-19 hospitalizations in the country’s hot-spot province over the past two weeks, although fewer patients are being treated for severe disease than in previous surges, the country’s National Institute for Communicable Diseases said.

There has also been an unusually high number of hospitalizations of children under 2 years old around the capital, Pretoria.
 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
39. Oddly that province was by a far stretch the hot spot in the
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 06:07 PM
Nov 2021

Country during the summer delta wave. I don't know what that means.

Raftergirl

(1,294 posts)
27. Too small a sample size and too small an age range
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 03:49 PM
Nov 2021

to be determinant.

I’d wait until much more is known about Omicron to make any pronouncements as to how infectious it is or it’s severity.

RedArkGuy

(770 posts)
57. Exactly right
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 04:06 AM
Nov 2021

This should not be regarded as evidence of any trend or tendency whatsoever. Too small a sample size. Too little variation of age groups in that sample size.

relayerbob

(6,561 posts)
28. This is how most virus' mutate
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 03:56 PM
Nov 2021

Most tend to get weaker through time, as too high a mortality rate in the host is not a good evolutionary factor. Cautiously hopeful

wnylib

(21,732 posts)
29. Omicron has shown up in the UK, Netherlands,
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 04:02 PM
Nov 2021

Italy, Portugal, Israel, and Canada.

Maybe more countries by now. So far, Portugal is reporting that cases have been mild and even asymptomatic. The lack of symptoms could account for its quick spread. If people don't know that they are infected, they are going about as usual, infecting people they come in contact with. That makes a good case for wearing masks.

We are lucky if it turns out to be mild. But there will still be some people with health conditions that make even a mild case dangerous for them.

I think that I will be seeing the omicron variant in my region very soon. The Canadian cases are in Ontario, which borders on NY state. One location is Ottowa, which is not as near to NYers. But the other location is Hamilton, which is across Lake Erie from northwestern PA and western NY. With the borders open now, people are crossing into and out of NY daily. Many NYers own camping and other properties in Ontario and vice versa. Others have jobs across the border. Niagara Falls brings people from around the world. It won't be long before western NY has omicron cases. Probably the same is true for NYC as an international port.

LisaL

(44,980 posts)
36. Hospitalizations are increasing in South Africa.
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 05:33 PM
Nov 2021

"Hospitalizations across the country have increased 63 percent since the beginning of November, according to data from the country’s National Institute for Communicable Diseases. In Gauteng, a province that includes the nation’s largest city, Johannesburg, hospitalizations are up nearly 400 percent since the beginning of the month, from 120 for the week ending Nov. 6 to 580 for the week ending Saturday."

https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/covid-19-hospitalizations-rising-south-africas-omicron-hot-spot-rcna6922

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
50. Delta has been present globally for many months now.
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 11:29 PM
Nov 2021

No reason to think this is Delta just now hitting S. Africa for the first time.

I'd say it is a new variant, or a change in social behaviour causing higher hospitializaion rates.

wnylib

(21,732 posts)
60. I was not suggesting that delta had
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 10:30 AM
Nov 2021

just hit southern Africa. I know that it has been there a long time. But with delta, there are periods of spikes and leveling off, then spiking again, etc. I have been watching my county's statistics. I have seen that pattern
repeatedly in the county overall and in individual villages and hamlets in the county.


Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
61. I did take it that way, thanks for clearing it up.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 11:15 AM
Nov 2021

I guess I'd add the spike-level off-spike pattern happens regardless of the covid variant. It seems much more due to social behaviours (thinking the virus has been beaten, when it hasn't).

Cheers!

Scrivener7

(51,076 posts)
58. That's a big jump. I am going to hope that doctor's observations bear out, but I'm going to assume
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 09:32 AM
Nov 2021

they won't.

I have a relative in long term orthopedic rehab. I think I'll make a plan to get her home just in case.

LisaL

(44,980 posts)
62. Doctor's observation only pertain to her presumably small number of patients.
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 11:34 AM
Nov 2021

Who might be otherwise fit and healthy. Yet some people here assume that it will apply to everyone.

LisaL

(44,980 posts)
32. Anecdotal evidence based on a small number of patients this particular doctor had.
Mon Nov 29, 2021, 04:30 PM
Nov 2021

Not a good idea to assume that's how it's going to be for everybody.
Already there is evidence hospitalizations in South Africa are going up.

BannonsLiver

(16,542 posts)
63. I love that out very own
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 12:21 PM
Nov 2021

Clout chasing Debbie Downer showed up to sprinkle their doom dust all up and down the thread.

But they really do hope the pandemic ends some day. Really.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
64. You keep using that term "clout chasing" and calling out posters with it
Tue Nov 30, 2021, 12:32 PM
Nov 2021

This is the third time I've counted. Its an urban slang thing or something?

Can you explain what it means with respects to COVID and posting about it on an anonymous news forum?

When one catches clout, what exactly do they do with it?

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