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https://qz.com/2095354/what-are-the-symptoms-of-the-omicron-variant/amp/The South African doctor who first identified the omicron variant that is spreading in the country and abroad has described the symptoms as she observed them in her patients, stating that the strain is so far producing very, very mild effects in them.
Dr Angelique Coetzee told BBC News that she had first noticed the symptoms in a young, male patient around the age of 30 whom she normally knew to be very healthy. He was extremely tired as well as having body aches and pains with a bit of a headache, a scratchy rather than sore throat, and no cough or loss of taste or smell, she said. The doctor was speaking about her experience of a small group of patients, and not making general comments about how all patients will experience it.
What are the symptoms of the omicron variant?
Coetzee tested the man for covid-19 and found him to be positive, then tested his family and found them all to have the virus, despite showing only very, very mild symptoms, she said.
For the rest of the day, people kept presenting at her surgery with similar symptoms, and all tested positive. Noticing that the symptoms seemed to differ from the delta variant, which had hitherto been the most prevalent form of covid globally, she alerted the countrys vaccines committee, of which she is a member. They announced their resultant discovery of the omicron variant a few days later.
Perhaps reassuringly for those who are worrying about this new development, Coetzee noted that none of the cases she knew of were serious. What we are seeing clinically in South Africa, and remember that Im at the epicenter, thats where Im practicing, is extremely mild We havent admitted anyone [to hospital]. I spoke to other colleagues of mine: The same picture, she told the BBC.
However, she did caution that the picture might change in the next weeks.
Hugh_Lebowski
(33,643 posts)However, mutations that are presenting in general are worrisome, might not get so lucky next time.
True Dough
(17,366 posts)I don't wish for a virulent mutation but the fact that Omicron is giving impressions of being mild will have many on the right spewing about how the left is always blowing things out of proportion relating to Covid. But the more people downplay the virus and fail to get vaccinated, the more likely it is that a truly nasty strain is going to land on our doorsteps. They just don't get that concept!
FirstLight
(13,367 posts)While on the one hand I think this will become our "new normal" and there's always gonna be a variant or two in play, That doesn't mean that ALL of them are gonna be "weaker".
And I know of a couple anti-vaxers who have the mindset of ..."See? It's not as bad as you say!"
That mentality is dangerous IMO
Girard442
(6,087 posts)...Still, I'd rather be here than in most of the scenarios I can imagine.
Tanuki
(14,927 posts)as the cluster at a university in Praetoria led to an over-representation of young, healthy people who usually fare relatively well with covid.
https://www.who.int/news/item/28-11-2021-update-on-omicron
..."Severity of disease: It is not yet clear whether infection with Omicron causes more severe disease compared to infections with other variants, including Delta. Preliminary data suggests that there are increasing rates of hospitalization in South Africa, but this may be due to increasing overall numbers of people becoming infected, rather than a result of specific infection with Omicron. There is currently no information to suggest that symptoms associated with Omicron are different from those from other variants. Initial reported infections were among university studentsyounger individuals who tend to have more mild diseasebut understanding the level of severity of the Omicron variant will take days to several weeks. All variants of COVID-19, including the Delta variant that is dominant worldwide, can cause severe disease or death, in particular for the most vulnerable people, and thus prevention is always key. "...(more)
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Scrivener7
(51,076 posts)and cautious about a deadly pandemic. I find those people to be as hilarious as they are dim-witted.
So far in the pandemic, the concerned and cautious have been right to be concerned and cautious at every turn.
I'd bet money that the ridiculers have never noticed that they have been wrong at every turn. They seem to feel themselves a superior bunch.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)its almost as if the ridiculers think a COVID variant is-dare a say it- a hoax
Delta put the whack on my entire family after a funeral we had put off for 1.5 years. Now with Christmas coming up I'm gonna pay attention and remain informed about COVID variants
I am thankful for the information that was posted here in the past few days. And the second sentence in post #8 is spot on
FirstLight
(13,367 posts)So many folks were really upset about isolating last year so now it's gonna be a free-for-all...
Kinda glad that this hit when our family's grankids (myne & sister's kids)hit adulthood and moved out, and my folks are to frail to have big gatherings anymore.
I have no plans to spend it anywhere but here...and I'm honestly re-thinking my current job at a hotel and seeking remote or tutoring gigs.
ornotna
(10,807 posts)Blues Heron
(5,948 posts)Her particular curse was that she was given the power of true prophecy but doomed to have the morons around her constantly disbelieve her.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Even if it is clownish self-flattery.
Scrivener7
(51,076 posts)the context of your own statement.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Since we're giving each other compliments, that was a nice skirting of the personal attack rules upthread. Appreciate your skilled language use, friendo!
Scrivener7
(51,076 posts)Not personal unless one is a buffoon.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)LisaL
(44,980 posts)NT
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Scrivener7
(51,076 posts)notices of this news, but this is very hopeful.
durablend
(7,467 posts)"Bend over and grab your ankles"
roamer65
(36,748 posts)More infectious and less virulent is the usual evolutionary path for a virus.
Rather similar to the timeline of the 1918 flu virus if so.
🤞
Scrivener7
(51,076 posts)evolve much.
former9thward
(32,124 posts)The human body does not evolve at all in that period.
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tblue37
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Delmette2.0
(4,177 posts)womanofthehills
(8,801 posts)crickets
(25,989 posts)Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Omicron isn't the last by any means.
However, the usual life course of a virus is to become less lethal. Presumably that's what happened to the "common cold" viruses, perhaps starting out killing their hosts but achieving viral superstar success as permanent, endemic nuisances.
I'm wondering if Omicron is following that pattern. It's taking over from other SARS-CoV-2 mutations where it's spreading, and it may well be less lethal. ??
Initech
(100,131 posts)It got more lethal, then it got less lethal, and eventually became an every day virus that we have to deal with. We never have and probably never will eradicate the flu. And we will most likely never get rid of COVID. But it will just keep becoming less lethal. We're all going to get it at some point, but I'd much rather have a mild cough than two weeks in the ICU or die.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)those who die from "the flu" are actually killed by the flu viruses themselves, but rather from other causes it opens the door to, the pneumonia virus #1. Deaths attributable to flu virus alone are so low and misleading about the actual danger that experts calculate an algorhythm or multiplier from various factors to estimate how many are really expected to die from the next flu epidemic. The things you learn these days.
Texin
(2,600 posts)and worldwide too. Because the Omicron variant appears at this point to be less severe, it doesn't mean that future ones will be the same.
Initech
(100,131 posts)Scrivener7
(51,076 posts)In the last six flu seasons, the CDCs reported number of actual confirmed flu deathsthat is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirushas ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)Vaxxed elderly and the seriously immuno compromised. For the rest of the vaccinated Covid is endemic and has been since the summer.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)Scrivener7
(51,076 posts)back on being joyful about it. We need to wait and see if these very mild symptoms bear out as the variant spreads.
But if they do, it's a game changer.
jalan48
(13,908 posts)speak easy
(9,345 posts)Less severe hospitalizations perhaps but not NO hospitalizations.
NickB79
(19,285 posts)There has also been an unusually high number of hospitalizations of children under 2 years old around the capital, Pretoria.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)Country during the summer delta wave. I don't know what that means.
Raftergirl
(1,294 posts)to be determinant.
Id wait until much more is known about Omicron to make any pronouncements as to how infectious it is or its severity.
RedArkGuy
(770 posts)This should not be regarded as evidence of any trend or tendency whatsoever. Too small a sample size. Too little variation of age groups in that sample size.
relayerbob
(6,561 posts)Most tend to get weaker through time, as too high a mortality rate in the host is not a good evolutionary factor. Cautiously hopeful
wnylib
(21,732 posts)Italy, Portugal, Israel, and Canada.
Maybe more countries by now. So far, Portugal is reporting that cases have been mild and even asymptomatic. The lack of symptoms could account for its quick spread. If people don't know that they are infected, they are going about as usual, infecting people they come in contact with. That makes a good case for wearing masks.
We are lucky if it turns out to be mild. But there will still be some people with health conditions that make even a mild case dangerous for them.
I think that I will be seeing the omicron variant in my region very soon. The Canadian cases are in Ontario, which borders on NY state. One location is Ottowa, which is not as near to NYers. But the other location is Hamilton, which is across Lake Erie from northwestern PA and western NY. With the borders open now, people are crossing into and out of NY daily. Many NYers own camping and other properties in Ontario and vice versa. Others have jobs across the border. Niagara Falls brings people from around the world. It won't be long before western NY has omicron cases. Probably the same is true for NYC as an international port.
LisaL
(44,980 posts)"Hospitalizations across the country have increased 63 percent since the beginning of November, according to data from the countrys National Institute for Communicable Diseases. In Gauteng, a province that includes the nations largest city, Johannesburg, hospitalizations are up nearly 400 percent since the beginning of the month, from 120 for the week ending Nov. 6 to 580 for the week ending Saturday."
https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/covid-19-hospitalizations-rising-south-africas-omicron-hot-spot-rcna6922
wnylib
(21,732 posts)due to delta or omicron?
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)No reason to think this is Delta just now hitting S. Africa for the first time.
I'd say it is a new variant, or a change in social behaviour causing higher hospitializaion rates.
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)wnylib
(21,732 posts)just hit southern Africa. I know that it has been there a long time. But with delta, there are periods of spikes and leveling off, then spiking again, etc. I have been watching my county's statistics. I have seen that pattern
repeatedly in the county overall and in individual villages and hamlets in the county.
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)I guess I'd add the spike-level off-spike pattern happens regardless of the covid variant. It seems much more due to social behaviours (thinking the virus has been beaten, when it hasn't).
Cheers!
Scrivener7
(51,076 posts)they won't.
I have a relative in long term orthopedic rehab. I think I'll make a plan to get her home just in case.
LisaL
(44,980 posts)Who might be otherwise fit and healthy. Yet some people here assume that it will apply to everyone.
LisaL
(44,980 posts)Not a good idea to assume that's how it's going to be for everybody.
Already there is evidence hospitalizations in South Africa are going up.
Shermann
(7,477 posts)FreeState
(10,585 posts)Pobeka
(4,999 posts)FreeState
(10,585 posts)Pobeka
(4,999 posts)Patton French
(795 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,542 posts)Clout chasing Debbie Downer showed up to sprinkle their doom dust all up and down the thread.
But they really do hope the pandemic ends some day. Really.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)This is the third time I've counted. Its an urban slang thing or something?
Can you explain what it means with respects to COVID and posting about it on an anonymous news forum?
When one catches clout, what exactly do they do with it?
Angleae
(4,500 posts)NT