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(49,002 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Will men be allowed to masturbate their babies (sperm) away?
Would a baby of a mother unable to provide care be raised to adulthood by the childs father?
Why is there never any discussion about removing mens reproductive rights?
Claustrum
(4,845 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)Claustrum
(4,845 posts)Just to provide some background why I brought up Ted Cruz
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/04/ted-cruz-texas-sex-toy-ban
TED CRUZ DOESNT BELIEVE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO MASTURBATE
Karadeniz
(22,526 posts)Claustrum
(4,845 posts)It can't be. The horror of saying or thinking of such.....
Karadeniz
(22,526 posts)Haggard Celine
(16,846 posts)mere vessels for 'babies' to grow. A woman's needs, if she's allowed to have any, are secondary to those of the 'baby.' The fact is, as I see it, that fetuses are part of a woman's body, and it's up to her to decide what to do with it. Some people think that isn't right, that it gives too much power to the woman. The question is, why not the woman? Why would that power be given to someone else who doesn't have to carry the 'baby' to term or spend the next 18+ years raising him/her? I can't think of anyone more qualified to make the decision than the pregnant woman.
crickets
(25,981 posts)Kath2
(3,074 posts)Beautifully stated.
musette_sf
(10,202 posts)Her corpse was tortured and desecrated in a macabre medical experiment, against the express wishes of her family, by the State of Texas, in what was from the outset a futile effort to "save" the 14-week fetus.
https://www.cnn.com/2014/01/26/health/texas-pregnant-brain-dead-woman/index.html
Solly Mack
(90,769 posts)I can still remember my anger over how they treated her lifeless body.
MOMFUDSKI
(5,546 posts)"My body is not an incubator for your religious beliefs"
bucolic_frolic
(43,173 posts)ancianita
(36,060 posts)MLAA
(17,296 posts)That is just wrong, they should be required to donate a heart.
demmiblue
(36,858 posts)...
Thomson's main areas of research were moral philosophy and metaphysics.[12] In moral philosophy she has made significant contributions to meta-ethics, normative ethics, and applied ethics.
"A Defense of Abortion" (1971) introduces one thought experiment for which Thomson is especially well known. The paper asks the reader to imagine that her circulatory system has, without her consent, been connected to that of a famous violinist whose life she must sustain for nine months. The hypothetical posed by Thomspon notably redirects philosophical attention from the rights of the fetus to those of the pregnant woman.[13]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Jarvis_Thomson
The Violinist
In "A Defense of Abortion", Thomson grants for the sake of argument that the fetus has a right to life, but defends the permissibility of abortion by appealing to a thought experiment:
You wake up in the morning and find yourself back to back in bed with an unconscious violinist. A famous unconscious violinist. He has been found to have a fatal kidney ailment, and the Society of Music Lovers has canvassed all the available medical records and found that you alone have the right blood type to help. They have therefore kidnapped you, and last night the violinist's circulatory system was plugged into yours, so that your kidneys can be used to extract poisons from his blood as well as your own. [If he is unplugged from you now, he will die; but] in nine months he will have recovered from his ailment, and can safely be unplugged from you.[4]
Thomson argues that one can now permissibly unplug themself from the violinist even though this will cause his death: this is due to limits on the right to life, which does not include the right to use another person's body, and so by unplugging the violinist, one does not violate his right to life but merely deprives him of somethingthe use of someone else's bodyto which he has no right. "[I f you do allow him to go on using your kidneys, this is a kindness on your part, and not something he can claim from you as his due."[5]
For the same reason, Thomson says, abortion does not violate the fetus's legitimate right to life, but merely deprives the fetus of somethingthe non-consensual use of the pregnant woman's body and life-supporting functionsto which it has no right. Thus, by choosing to terminate her pregnancy, Thomson concludes that a pregnant woman does not normally violate the fetus's right to life, but merely withdraws its use of her own body, which usually causes the fetus to die.[6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Defense_of_Abortion