The shooters parents probably knew this was going to happen

[Shellback Squid]

and they may have groomed him or unintentionally groomed him.

Sigs are not cheap and are very reliable

[viva la]

1. I'm sure they didn't mean for it to happen....

But I wonder if it would have happened without them making a gun available to him.
(He might have stolen it, I suppose, but they hadn't locked it up.)

Parents sometimes try to pacify very volatile teen boys, and in some areas, that might involve getting a gun. Adam Lanza's mother did that, bought him a gun, took him to the rifle range, became his first victim.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

2. This kid had the deck stacked against him from birth.

[BlackSkimmer]

9. I know. What I've been reading about his parents and childhood is just awful.

God, this world.

[CrackityJones75]

4. I think this sort of talk is off the deep end.

I mean come on. Are we really going to a place where we actually believe the parents are coordinating having theor children throw their lives away? I think that is a little nuts personally.

[BlackSkimmer]

11. Thank you. nt

[BradAllison]

15. With all the crazy shit going on in this world.....

....you don't believe that at some point a couple of nutzoid parents may do this?

A woman drove her teenage son to a riot with a gun.

To be clear: The overall statement about mass shootings is bullshit. But one of these days......

[CrackityJones75]

22. JFC. No she didn't.

She didn’t drive him there.

Please educate yourself.

[BradAllison]

24. Boy, you seem angry about this

How dare I besmirch the Shittenhouse klan.

He testified she didn't. I think he's a liar.

[CrackityJones75]

25. I am not angry.

She didn’t drive him. You are repeating false i formation. If it were up to me the little shit would be rotting in a jail cell so let’s not make this about besmirching his name. But we should operate in truths not whatever makes the story more damning.

[malaise]

28. THIS

[Jilly_in_VA]

5. Please explain your statement.

[Carlitos Brigante]

6. How? And, by who? nt

[Kaleva]

8. Some Magahats do claim these are false flag operations done by us Godless Commies.

so we can enact laws to take everyone's guns away.

[BlackSkimmer]

10. Oh right.

[LiberatedUSA]

13. By who?

The right doesn’t need or want the press and the left aren’t evil.

[maxsolomon]

7. "Grooming" is not what this was. You're using that term incorrectly.

If they knew this was going to happen, they did a really bad job of stopping it.

This is a bad OP.

[Shellback Squid]

12. unintentional grooming is possible, complain about the world to the son, directly or indirectly

can leave an impressionable mind to the worst outcomes

I speak from lived experience, I hurt a few people when I was young, I find my actions disgusting and makes me sick
to my stomach when I am reminded, my stepfather told me to hurt people when fighting, use a rock to bash their skulls,
hurt them.
he brought out the worst in me, and I recognize it

[BradAllison]

14. They were at the school shortly before it happened

Which seems odd. Doesn't it?

[PTWB]

23. Does it?

The school called them in to discuss the boy’s behavior problems.

[luckone]

16. Mom was pro gun anti immigrant trump lover with a lot of upper middle class white grievances

Unintentional but how many times did he hear casual talk about people his parents would like to shoot at the dinner table ?

[mountain grammy]

17. Yeah, you really have to wonder about that..

lots of rage and hate out there.

[luckone]

20. My work has me in different areas and occasionally out of town When you have a meal alone

sometimes you can’t help but hear other people’s conversations .
I have overheard people talk about shooting any refugees or illegal immigrants if they ever encounter them . I don’t know how they could determine status perhaps it doesn’t matter
Mostly older white people who talk real loud about it because I guess they may have hearing problems, but I have to guess there are plenty that are working and younger with families that don’t eat lunch out with friends that think the same way . They may not be loud about it in a group and keep it quietly at home

His parents perhaps may be comfortable saying this at home and probably feel their kid has to “know the truth “ so no harm in those kind of conversations and sharing their pride in gun use

All of the adults above may be just fantasizing, but a kid growing up hearing this may take shooting as a normal recourse

The mother wrote to trump her parents (his grandparents ) have grievances about immigrants also, so could be maybe it wouldn’t seem out of the ordinary to the killer to hear lots of his family rage hate with 2A solutions and then pick up on finding his own targets.

Not immigrants, but something he was triggered by at the school, and then seek solutions he has heard casually talked about when someone doesn’t like something or someone else

They are closed lip and lawyered up so not much will come to light about family life , but yes I do wonder!

[mountain grammy]

21. My brother in law has a full gun case

and was always talking about shooting people. We haven't seen them since 2016, but they're magas through and through and big Christians.. always praying for us.

Enough to know the mom was a total maga. I'm sure the kid heard plenty of crap.

[H2O Man]

18. Respectfully disagree.

School shootings tend to have many traits in common. While it is likely that, like many parents, they did not teach him appropriate conflict resolution -- one cannot teach what one does not know -- that in no meaningful sense equals "grooming," with intentional or otherwise. It merely means he had limited skills in conflict resolution.

There are many, many kids lacking these skills. The vast majority of them do not resort to gun violence. There are other psychological issues, and I've yet to see a case of a school shooter who did not have those things.

[Raine]

19. I doubt they knew or "groomed" him in any way

but buying a gun for a 15yr old kid who always appears depressed (according to schoolmates) is just stupid, irresponsible and asking for trouble. What in the world the parents could've been thinking is beyond my imagination.

[BigmanPigman]

26. His instagram story with the gun was posted

"Mom and son day testing out his new Christmas present" when the gun was bought a few days before the shooting.

[NutmegYankee]

27. Sig Sauer handgun is about $500, comparable to just about every other brand in price

Nothing unique - they are all easily available and cheap.

[BradAllison]

29. Everyone in this thread still rock solid the parents knew nothing?

Hmmmm?

[iemanja]

31. No

Not at all. But that's not the same as saying they put him up to it.

[GoodRaisin]

30. Seems that the parents are RWNJ gun nuts with a propensity for making seriously

bad decisions. But disagree they knew this was going to happen. I think their carelessness and bad decisions just blew up in their faces.