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Jilly_in_VA

(9,979 posts)
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 10:37 PM Dec 2021

DeSantis proposes a new civilian military force in Florida that he would control

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis wants to reestablish a World War II-era civilian military force that he, not the Pentagon, would control.

DeSantis pitched the idea Thursday as a way to further support the Florida National Guard during emergencies, like hurricanes. The Florida National Guard has also played a vital role during the pandemic in administering Covid-19 tests and distributing vaccines.

But in a nod to the growing tension between Republican states and the Biden administration over the National Guard, DeSantis also said this unit, called the Florida State Guard, would be "not encumbered by the federal government." He said this force would give him "the flexibility and the ability needed to respond to events in our state in the most effective way possible." DeSantis is proposing bringing it back with a volunteer force of 200 civilians, and he is seeking $3.5 million from the state legislature in startup costs to train and equip them.

The move by DeSantis comes on the heels of Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin's directive warning that National Guard members who refuse to get vaccinated against the coronavirus will have their pay withheld and barred from training. Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt, a Republican, had requested an exemption for guard members in his state, which Austin denied.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/politics/florida-state-guard-desantis/index.html
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DeSatan is a nazi. Believe it.

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DeSantis proposes a new civilian military force in Florida that he would control (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Dec 2021 OP
Crazy Land down there... Drum Dec 2021 #1
This gave me pause Deuxcents Dec 2021 #2
I think a lot of states have one of those ColinC Dec 2021 #3
Most serve as volunteers except when they are called to service onenote Dec 2021 #35
Makes sense ColinC Dec 2021 #42
Brown Shirts... NowISeetheLight Dec 2021 #4
Bingo. Firestorm49 Dec 2021 #5
Yep, the little nazi wants power he can personally control. brush Dec 2021 #10
+1 Baitball Blogger Dec 2021 #24
nothing distopian at all about governors wanting to raise their own armies Takket Dec 2021 #6
Sure! Diamond_Dog Dec 2021 #7
An army full Kyle Rittenhouse types tulipsandroses Dec 2021 #8
EXACTLY! bluestarone Dec 2021 #41
I hope someone in Law Enforcement is watching this guy or a reporter is digging around. chowder66 Dec 2021 #9
Why am I not the least bit surprised. Bev54 Dec 2021 #11
Florida I_UndergroundPanther Dec 2021 #12
K&R for exposure Blue Owl Dec 2021 #13
It will be compromised of untrained local rednecks and yahoos Woodswalker Dec 2021 #14
Yes it would fly sarisataka Dec 2021 #17
That they do. GP6971 Dec 2021 #27
If you compare this to anything Woodswalker Dec 2021 #33
It depends on the state sarisataka Dec 2021 #37
200 rubes in DeSantis' organized militia. Take away everyone elses' gunz. Hoyt Dec 2021 #15
Only after a peek at the voter enrollment data. n/to Harker Dec 2021 #38
Then you're gonna Corgigal Dec 2021 #16
"And then we'll secede." moondust Dec 2021 #18
And they already have a king ready to go at Mar-a-loco. Bayard Dec 2021 #29
He needs them to do things that the National Guard cannot legally do. Sucha NastyWoman Dec 2021 #19
Taxpayers subsidizing and arming Proud Boys. blm Dec 2021 #20
22 states already have such a force sarisataka Dec 2021 #21
Smrfs ColinC Dec 2021 #34
State Defense Forces sarisataka Dec 2021 #36
Next Thing He'll Want Is To Build A Nuclear.... global1 Dec 2021 #22
Meldrim Thompson tried to get nukes for the NH national guard.... getagrip_already Dec 2021 #51
Then maybe some form of Youth Brigade? You know, young and impressionable. dgauss Dec 2021 #23
Aka, the Hitler Youth. hadEnuf Dec 2021 #53
I don't see good intentions here. badhair77 Dec 2021 #25
Floridakorps Kid Berwyn Dec 2021 #26
+1 ancianita Dec 2021 #59
That way he doesn't have to follow Federal vaccination mandates DBoon Dec 2021 #28
Yes. Nazi. Brownshirts. Stinky The Clown Dec 2021 #30
That's it Sunsky Dec 2021 #31
yeah he's a Nazi pos rockfordfile Dec 2021 #32
They will consist of the Russian Mafia. LiberalFighter Dec 2021 #39
Governor DeLusional lets the cat out of the bag. librechik Dec 2021 #40
Brown Uniforms, No Doubt, with Black Ties. MineralMan Dec 2021 #43
Wonder what all the Cubans who migrated to FL Deminpenn Dec 2021 #44
Yknow, already disliked florida lindysalsagal Dec 2021 #45
I hope the moron realizes said Florida Army would exist under a Democratic governor, too. Vinca Dec 2021 #46
Wouldn't that be hysterical? OldBaldy1701E Dec 2021 #57
Germans had the Freikorps. DeSantis has his private militia AZLD4Candidate Dec 2021 #47
"the flexibility and the ability needed to respond to events in our state in the most effective way" Mr. Sparkle Dec 2021 #48
He needs an army alright, to fight coastal flooding, COVID, hurricanes and python infestations. KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2021 #49
That is one of the most original re-election strategies I have ever heard DFW Dec 2021 #50
Someone should remind them a dem could command them getagrip_already Dec 2021 #52
Looks like we may have go teach these good ol' boys another lesson that will last for 150 yrs. hadEnuf Dec 2021 #54
He's gone full-fascist-dictator traitorsgalore Dec 2021 #55
DeSantis recruiting station. Marcuse Dec 2021 #56
Camalflouged walkers for everyone Buckeyeblue Dec 2021 #58

ColinC

(8,300 posts)
3. I think a lot of states have one of those
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 10:40 PM
Dec 2021

But they are entirely voluntary without pay. I wonder how well funded this would be.

onenote

(42,708 posts)
35. Most serve as volunteers except when they are called to service
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 10:45 AM
Dec 2021

Then they often are compensated. For example, New York pays its State Guard members at a rate comparable to the pay for National Guard members when State Guard members are called to active service.

ColinC

(8,300 posts)
42. Makes sense
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 01:26 PM
Dec 2021

I worked with a lot in the ca ng when I served, and a lot were in it to fulfill a reserve component that their civilian state job likely requires.

Baitball Blogger

(46,723 posts)
24. +1
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 11:30 PM
Dec 2021

Look at the mess we have with the Jan. 6th Insurrection. Many of those people facing the music feel like they were betrayed by Trump. They felt like he was the commander and chief and he called for their help.

I imagine the same thing will be repeated with De Santis.

chowder66

(9,070 posts)
9. I hope someone in Law Enforcement is watching this guy or a reporter is digging around.
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 10:51 PM
Dec 2021

There has to be corruption or law breaking with this POS.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
12. Florida
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 11:06 PM
Dec 2021

Is getting thier brownshirt army vice police, vilangenties in nazi nightmare. Tyranny uses mercinaries to to control are hellscapes.

Fuck you de satan,evil son of a b

 

Woodswalker

(549 posts)
14. It will be compromised of untrained local rednecks and yahoos
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 11:10 PM
Dec 2021

Not good and not something I would want to see in my town. Guess thats why I live in NY. Shit like that would never fly here

GP6971

(31,163 posts)
27. That they do.
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 11:57 PM
Dec 2021

My grandfather was a member of the NY state guard. It's more like a Frat club than anything resembling a military unit.

 

Woodswalker

(549 posts)
33. If you compare this to anything
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 09:25 AM
Dec 2021

That a red state is pushing your wrong. These guys carry water and assist the national guard and are Unarmed.

sarisataka

(18,656 posts)
37. It depends on the state
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 10:49 AM
Dec 2021

New York is not armed, except for a competition team. Other states can be armed. For example California:

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
16. Then you're gonna
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 11:14 PM
Dec 2021

have to tax the residents down there for their private military. Good luck with that. I’m sure the Mouse will tell the Temp Governor to shove it.

moondust

(19,988 posts)
18. "And then we'll secede."
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 11:17 PM
Dec 2021

"And then we'll get back to the good ol' days of gettin' rich on the backs of slaves while sippin' our mint juleps. MAGA!"

sarisataka

(18,656 posts)
21. 22 states already have such a force
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 11:22 PM
Dec 2021

That is active and almost all of the rest have inactive forces. Depending on the state it can be as few as one person to several thousand members.

global1

(25,251 posts)
22. Next Thing He'll Want Is To Build A Nuclear....
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 11:27 PM
Dec 2021

weapon for Florida. The guy has a Tr**p power complex. He's crazy and dangerous.

The people of Florida need to smarten up and vote this guy out of office.

getagrip_already

(14,763 posts)
51. Meldrim Thompson tried to get nukes for the NH national guard....
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 03:16 PM
Dec 2021

The pentagon refused.

It would be highly unlikely they could legally obtain or possess any.

That at least is a positive.

dgauss

(882 posts)
23. Then maybe some form of Youth Brigade? You know, young and impressionable.
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 11:29 PM
Dec 2021

Seriously, I would not be surprised.

Kid Berwyn

(14,907 posts)
26. Floridakorps
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 11:55 PM
Dec 2021

Dictators, autocrats, and strongmen thrive on chaos in the beginning of their rise to power. At first they come to that power legally, within domestic law. Once in power the autocrat takes the law and uses it and bends it, eventually shaping it to his will. This is not an easy process and history shows that this phase of totalitarianism can be marked with strife, chaos, and even bloodshed in the streets. Though the law is a bulwark against tyranny it can also advance it.

Continues…

https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2020/09/david-crane-brownshirts-nazi-american-elections/

Sunsky

(1,737 posts)
31. That's it
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 01:40 AM
Dec 2021

If he isn't voted out next year, I'm moving out of this fcking state. I can't even watch the local news anymore because I can't stand to see his face.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
40. Governor DeLusional lets the cat out of the bag.
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 01:17 PM
Dec 2021

I just can't. I can't. I picked a bad time to quit Zoloft, that's for sure.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
43. Brown Uniforms, No Doubt, with Black Ties.
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 01:32 PM
Dec 2021

Maybe a couple of lightning bolts to signify their membership in the Florida State Stasi.

Vinca

(50,276 posts)
46. I hope the moron realizes said Florida Army would exist under a Democratic governor, too.
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 02:19 PM
Dec 2021

Maybe it would be used to put the cult members in deprogramming camps.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,129 posts)
57. Wouldn't that be hysterical?
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 08:46 AM
Dec 2021

To create this force and then lose the next election to a Democrat who immediately deploys them to make voting safer and to quell stupid riots fostered by the right wing? Who am I kidding, the entire force would quit en masse once someone with a brain got elected.

Mr. Sparkle

(2,933 posts)
48. "the flexibility and the ability needed to respond to events in our state in the most effective way"
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 02:22 PM
Dec 2021

so ... as in the national guard!

It sounds to me like he is looking to form his own brown shirts. We know his character. All those wannabe dictators are all the same. They need a group of thugs, loyal to him to protect him.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
49. He needs an army alright, to fight coastal flooding, COVID, hurricanes and python infestations.
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 02:59 PM
Dec 2021

I nominate tRump for Secretary of Invasive Reptile Control.

Oh wait. He is an invasive reptile..... .....

DFW

(54,399 posts)
50. That is one of the most original re-election strategies I have ever heard
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 03:03 PM
Dec 2021

Just organize your own militia, paid for with taxpayer money, to kill anyone who challenges your rule.

I guess if old-fashioned voter fraud is not cutting it any more, innovate!

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