At least 21 states will ban or severely restrict abortion if Roe v. Wade is overturned.

[Kath2]

It is unbelievable to me, that in 2021, we as a society are turning the clock back to 1950. I was 15 when Roe v.Wade became law. I would never have imagined that we would be dealing with this now.

[secondwind]

1. It's still hard to believe that effing Trump left us those godawful

people on the Supreme Court.

[Poiuyt]

2. Trump and McConnell

I still get steamed over what Mitch did to Obama.

[Kath2]

3. The worst of the horrible Trump legacy.

Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Barrett are the worst of the worst. I really hope Biden gets to appoint a few RBGs.

[SoCalDavidS]

5. Hard To Believe?

That's sarcasm, right?

[Carlitos Brigante]

10. The way I interpreted that was more like it still seems

hard to believe that rancid bag of shit was even elevated to the position where he could do just that.

[SoCalDavidS]

14. After Understanding Many Americans For The Low Lifes They Are

That too is not hard for me to believe.

Seeing 70+ Million vote for him a 2nd time, I now accept that almost half this country are more than capable of elevating a POS like him to the office where he could bring down this country's institutions and it's society in general.

[Carlitos Brigante]

18. Oh yeah. I'm right there with you. I've felt for a long time this is exactly

where we've been heading.

See, for me the expectation was that the authoritarians in our society would fuck things up so bad with their reptilian thinking. That we'd eventually end up with a dictator or close to it. But even I was surprised at the cartoonish way they went about it with this guy. Until I reminded myself that if you Xerox the original (Reagan) enough times the quality gets even shittier (Junior). Until you eventually end up with in incomprehensible mess (Trump). The logical conclusion of their race to the bottom.

[SoCalDavidS]

19. I Despised Jr. & Dick C. With A Red Hot Passion

Now they look like Mother Theresa by comparison.

And it's not just TFG, it's his Entire Fucking Family & the numerous Sycophants.

[JHB]

25. I know, right? They've been working for this since Reagan nominated Bork.

This has been the goal: conservative/RW domination of the courts. It's the very reason the Federalist Society was founded, to help bring that about.

[LiberatedUSA]

22. That was his main job. The reason McConnell put up with him.

Judges. He served his purpose.

[moondust]

4. Professor Tribe says

this would be the first time the government has taken a right away from Americans--as opposed to expanding their rights.

[SoCalDavidS]

6. They'll Balance It Out By Expanding Gun Rights

Coming soon to a Supreme Court ruling near you.

[vanlassie]

7. We must shun those states as much as humanely possible.

Frankly, I hold their citizens responsible for what they get.

[Kath2]

9. Right on!

They are 100% responsible.

[Texaswitchy]

8. Knew this would happen if Trump got in.

The Supreme Court.

Either he or Hillary would have picked the Judges.

Elections matter.

[Kath2]

11. I am still so bitched out that Hillary lost.

I knew it would happen, too. The Trump appointees are all narrow-minded religious bigots.

[Texaswitchy]

12. Exactly.

His base.

I am way beyond pissed about Hillary.

I know people who did not vote or voted third party.

We needed a big huge blowout, to big to steal.

Maybe this will wake up people to vote.

And not take their rights for granted.

[Kath2]

13. I could not believe trump won.

I am still not convinced. He lost in the popular vote by a wide margin. 3 million or so?

[Texaswitchy]

27. The election was stolen no doubt.

Biden had a bigger blow out, harder to steal.

[ismnotwasm]

40. Me too.

I’m always gonna be pissed

[luckone]

15. MAGA promises made promises kept . People laugh at trump but he did a lot of damage as

he promised he would for his voters . They truly do believe that turning back time is the only way the country can be great . Not a forward thinking crowd . The further back the better for their mood

[dalton99a]

16. .

[dalton99a]

17. States:

Details of trigger laws vary by state, but all of them become automatic upon the overturning of Roe v. Wade. Most would ban abortion outright with limited exceptions — like medical emergencies or in cases of rape and incest. They are currently in place in Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas and Utah.

Most were enacted during the Trump administration, after conservatives Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh were confirmed to the Supreme Court.

Those appointments emboldened Republican-led state legislatures to pass abortion bans with the hopes of prompting a more conservative Supreme Court to gut Roe v. Wade — including the Mississippi bill at issue before the court, which would ban abortion after 15 weeks, some nine weeks before the point of fetal viability that Roe and later decisions hinge upon.

In addition to the trigger laws, nine states still have abortion bans on the books that were enacted before Roe was decided in 1973. Those states — four trigger law states along with Alabama, Arizona, Michigan, West Virginia and Wisconsin — could choose to immediately begin enforcement.

And four other states — Georgia, Iowa, Ohio and South Carolina — passed so-called "heartbeat" laws in recent years that ban abortion after cardiac activity is detectable, which can be as early as six weeks into a pregnancy. All four laws are currently blocked by courts, but injunctions could be lifted if the Supreme Court overturns Roe.

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/02/1061015753/abortion-roe-v-wade-trigger-laws-mississippi-jacksons-womens-health-organization

[Shrek]

26. Thank you for this link

Very helpful.

[PSPS]

20. With this having been "won," what will motivate the "base" to vote in the future?

[LiberatedUSA]

24. Talk of "taking your AR-15", from politicians running for office.

Unless the phrase “hell yes, we are going to take your AR-15” means “we will ask you politely and then leave when you say you won’t sell your property”, then good luck with that to anyone who tries it.

[PSPS]

31. I don't think this will motivate evangelicals either

[WhiskeyGrinder]

28. CRT. The abortion fight is about racism at its core, and so is CRT, of course.

[PSPS]

30. I don't think this will motivate evangelicals

[WhiskeyGrinder]

32. It already is motivating them. It's a constant I hear on one of the local Christian stations.

[PSPS]

33. I guess we'll see. Just doesn't seem to have the same punch as "save the babies" to me.

Their congregations are all white anyway and I presume most of their kids are either home schooled or in some all-white madrasa.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

34. Oh, there's no logic to it at all. It's tied in with Marxism, "communist China," "radical feminism"

and trans people anyway.

[Bettie]

37. "Owning the libs" by

being horrible to everyone? Who knows what motivates the death cult? A gun in every cookie jar? Free MAGA gear?

[Frasier Balzov]

21. RBG stayed too long at the fair.

And SGB is repeating the same error.

[NurseJackie]

23. Yawn.

[Hortensis]

35. RBG voted for Hillary. Imagine if SHE had appointed these 3 justices.

You should be blaming LW anti-establishment, populist types. They wanted to defeat the Democratic Party "establishment" in 2016, and it couldn't have happened without them.

They "won." And many don't seem to have learned a thing from it.

Whether they will be happy with what their choices may bring down on them in future, who knows, least of all people more strongly motivated by negative emotions than even a huge platform of progressive goals, let alone the most basic good sense.

[Polybius]

36. Maybe it would have been two

No guarantee that Kennedy retires.

[Hortensis]

38. Of course. Especially if he had a special reason for retiring

when he did.

Regarding Kennedy himself, he was very mixed on abortion, of course; however, over his period on the bench, he protected abortion rights a number of times and ways. Too complex for me, but a SCOTUS piece concluded that he may have been the factor that provided an additional quarter century of choice. And that the value of his contributions was likely become more clear after he was gone, which is where we are...

[Buckeyeblue]

29. If Roe is completely reversed with the Mississippi case all hell will break loose

It will be a race to the bottom to see what state can impose the most draconian laws.

The next SC case will be fetal personhood. States will pass laws that says life begins at conception, which means every miscarriage will be investigated as a possible homicide.

[Hortensis]

39. If it happens, the more extreme they are the worse for them

ultlmately. Assuming they aren't able to take over the nation entirely and put themselves beyond control, of course.

As long as we have representative government, extremism unacceptable to electoral majorities will ultimately be corrected. Electoral majorities state by state if necessary until we have enough power to legalize abortion at the federal level.

Also even if the people of red states were fine with girls and women being prosecuted and imprisoned for infanticide (many would NOT be fine with that), they would not be fine with the beyond-enormous costs of trying to bring all possible premature babies to term (think what new technology moving the age of viability back even a week would mean), or applying full-out medical care to save babies from death by miscarriage from the first weeks they're threatened.

The duty to do so would be an inevitable consequence of declaring fetuses people with a right to life from inception, or even a few weeks after. Of course people would be suing hospitals and insurance companies, and government programs, to save their babies. Incompatible with both the usual insistence on lower taxes and the gut-level conservative belief that people in trouble probably did something to bring it on and should get themselves out of it. And let's not forget that low-income and minority groups have significantly more medical problems with pregnancy...

[Buckeyeblue]

41. I agree with the fallout you describe

But these people are not intelligent. They don't think ahead to the consequences of their extremists policies, intended or unintended. That's one of the reasons that deep red states have high poverty rates and rank near the bottom in education.

[Hortensis]

42. Oh, agree. I suspect many of the corruption-serving idiots

the GOP has been packing government with became happily radicalized and believe they're going to take control and be beyond accountability. Many, of course, were frightened and confused when they discovered belatedly that they were part of a revolution and are forced to "hang together," etc...

[Kath2]

44. I think that is a very excellent analysis.

[Hortensis]

48. :) The same sorts have always been trying to crash into walls

and fall off cliffs of their own creation.

For over 80 years conservatives who love Social Security have been supporting a party and electing politicians openly hostile to it, often promising its end, but secure that we, or god maybe, wouldn't let anything happen to it. Now they're so pleased with their far/extreme-right SCOTUS majority. Just imagine their surprise if the day came when we couldn't save it.

[Kath2]

49. So very true.

Trump had 3 Supreme Court appointments. Think of how much society would be if Hillary Clinton would have had those appointments.

[Hortensis]

51. Enough to make me remember they believe Satan

walks the earth. We never had two such close but stunningly different directions to go.

[Vinca]

43. It's going to be terribly inconvenient for the GOP who are routinely caught in sex scandals.

[Mad_Machine76]

45. It's hard to believe that this is what the country is like.........in 2021. I had higher hopes

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216095431

[librechik]

46. Tit for tat: cut off federal $ to those states where it hurts

until they can learn to follow the law?

We are so fucked in perpetuity.

[Kath2]

47. I would love to see that happen.

It is going to take a lot to unfuck the state of affairs Trump created.

[lame54]

50. Within minutes