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634-5789

(4,175 posts)
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 08:35 AM Dec 2021

Former federal prosecutor: We'll see 'a tidal wave of criminal charges against Donald Trump'

Former federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner has been speaking the blunt truth about Donald Trump's criminal conduct for years. He's not stopping now just because most of the media, and most Democrats in Congress for that matter, have moved on. I spoke to Kirschner, who is now an NBC News legal analyst, in a recent "Salon Talks" episode about Steve Bannon's indictment and more.



https://www.rawstory.com/former-federal-prosecutor-we-ll-see-a-tidal-wave-of-criminal-charges-against-donald-trump/

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Former federal prosecutor: We'll see 'a tidal wave of criminal charges against Donald Trump' (Original Post) 634-5789 Dec 2021 OP
Yes Justice is coming malaise Dec 2021 #1
I will believe it when I see it. So far just talk and lot of smoke. olegramps Dec 2021 #17
Just don't ask me to hold my breath PJMcK Dec 2021 #2
The DOJ under it's present head is thinking along the lines of normalization. jaxexpat Dec 2021 #8
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #11
Spot on! Karma13612 Dec 2021 #39
Hanging on Hope is a hard thing to do in these times msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #41
Could not have said it better. joshdawg Dec 2021 #9
My instincts tell me, there are no "investigations" ... msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #14
Remember the Mueller Report? maddiemom Dec 2021 #20
He'll hit the low-hanging fruit once in a while dalton99a Dec 2021 #22
Sure we will. Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #3
Hoping for Jan 6 Anniversary to be a Big Tent Event bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #4
I still think the entire Trump crime family will flee the country ashredux Dec 2021 #5
Luck liberalgunwilltravel Dec 2021 #6
That would be OK with me. They have their own aircraft and lots of properties. I would rather see Evolve Dammit Dec 2021 #13
Be still my racing heart HAB911 Dec 2021 #7
That's about the only reason to hope he remains in good health. tanyev Dec 2021 #10
Prediction: SayItLoud Dec 2021 #12
Good plan liberalgunwilltravel Dec 2021 #25
Yeah, sure.... Sherman A1 Dec 2021 #15
Bless his heart. He still wants us to "Believe"... msfiddlestix Dec 2021 #16
No we won't Johnny2X2X Dec 2021 #18
The traitor will never see the inside of prison. dalton99a Dec 2021 #19
I agree that TFG is still an existential threat to the nation. mn9driver Dec 2021 #21
WHEN???? edbermac Dec 2021 #23
Please Botany Dec 2021 #24
+1. There must be a Dies Irae for him dalton99a Dec 2021 #28
Lacrimosa - just leave out the 'spare' and 'eternal rest' parts sarchasm Dec 2021 #32
How long did it take DOJ to catch up to Jeffrey Epstein? Midnight Writer Dec 2021 #26
Ya sure......... nt Hotler Dec 2021 #27
So sitting Presidents are immune from legal constraints. gordianot Dec 2021 #29
And, Predictably, Many DUers Poo-Poo This MineralMan Dec 2021 #30
+1. Those invested in our discouragement (Not merely the discouraged) are increasingly obvious. (Nt) FreepFryer Dec 2021 #40
Which Democrats in Congress have decided to "move on"? brooklynite Dec 2021 #31
It's Mueller time! jalan48 Dec 2021 #33
Wrapped up in a nice little "Fitzmas" package.......... nt Carlitos Brigante Dec 2021 #36
Yep, go through the motions and the people will fall for it. jalan48 Dec 2021 #37
K & R Bookmarked FakeNoose Dec 2021 #34
He stole enough $$ to buy his freedom. live love laugh Dec 2021 #35
I think he is right in that no prosecutor wants to indict first tinrobot Dec 2021 #38

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
2. Just don't ask me to hold my breath
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 08:39 AM
Dec 2021

The Department of Justice has disappointed us for decades. When-- or if-- they come through with serious indictments, few will be as excited as I. Until then, Trump and his cronies continue to thumb their noses at our systems all while trying to destroy them.

If the DOJ has any sense of self-preservation, AG Garland might want to step up the pace of their investigations.

jaxexpat

(6,831 posts)
8. The DOJ under it's present head is thinking along the lines of normalization.
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 09:27 AM
Dec 2021

And while it's true that the nation's survival requires a business-as-usual basis, the course correction needed in these moments is equally basic. The actualization of justice in the US flails helplessly for the multiple injustices served out over the decades left in disrepair for the cause of "moving on". The principle of "greater the crime=greater the punishment" keeps getting turned on its head when the criminal is an ex-president. Don't know how long a nation harboring self-deception of that magnitude can stand.

But then, minority authority always undermines democracy. It's a fundamental reality.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
11. ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 09:57 AM
Dec 2021

Perfectly stated. This is the fundamental truth, unfortunately. And there is no sign whatsoever, justice will ever be served.

I'm starting come to accept these facts to the degree that I must, but I don't want to. I continue to hang on to some shred of hope that this time will be different, all the while knowing it won't be.

It breaks my heart, on some occasions tears flow like now. It's hard to accept, I want to continue to fight for justice.

It seems to be as always, a losing battle.

Karma13612

(4,552 posts)
39. Spot on!
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 06:27 AM
Dec 2021


But, it’s always darkest before dawn. And like you, I am of two minds. Half has given up while the other has broken fingernails from clawing and scratching it’s way to justice for the guilty.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
41. Hanging on Hope is a hard thing to do in these times
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 10:37 AM
Dec 2021

Someone told me to that Hope is just another word for Faith.

I think that is incorrect, at least I HOPE so. Because Faith requires in "believing" in fairy tales. I do not believe in fairy tales.

But I do try to hang on to some measure of HOPE.

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
14. My instincts tell me, there are no "investigations" ...
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 10:03 AM
Dec 2021

whatever is going on, the goal is to bury it, let it die quietly. there might be some sort of statement eventually. but it will be fairly meaningless or worse. "nothing to see here" .. blah blah blah. Or maybe heavily redacted report that basically reveals nothing.

bucolic_frolic

(43,173 posts)
4. Hoping for Jan 6 Anniversary to be a Big Tent Event
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 09:04 AM
Dec 2021

and think nuances of laws, big and small, are what will nab the Devil

Evolve Dammit

(16,736 posts)
13. That would be OK with me. They have their own aircraft and lots of properties. I would rather see
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 09:58 AM
Dec 2021

them indicted and tried though.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
12. Prediction:
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 09:57 AM
Dec 2021

If Biden's choice for AG doesn't hold TFG and his criminal enterprise accountable before the midterms millions of Dems, Indies and moderate GQPers will stay home and not vote. The GQP ers will gain massive majorities in the House, Senate and in local races.

Just sayin...

msfiddlestix

(7,282 posts)
16. Bless his heart. He still wants us to "Believe"...
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 10:06 AM
Dec 2021

Sort of like believing in the fairy dust, unicorns or "god" or something.

Well, I'd like to.. but at some point, we have to wake up and smell the sewer and call it what it is.

mn9driver

(4,426 posts)
21. I agree that TFG is still an existential threat to the nation.
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 10:23 AM
Dec 2021

He is incredibly dangerous, and the only way to reduce that threat is to prosecute him for what he has done and what he continues to try to do. I have little confidence that our institutions are up to the job.

But make no mistake; the genie is out of the bottle in the US and prosecuting the Orange shitstain will not complete the job. The GOP has gone full authoritarian/fascist/anti-democracy, call it what you will. They will not stop.

The voters have to stop them and that is going to be very challenging. If a voter protection act doesn’t get passed before the 2022 elections, the window to save US democracy may close permanently.

Botany

(70,510 posts)
24. Please
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 10:35 AM
Dec 2021

The man has killed millions, fleeced America for 1.7 billion, and tried to violently overthrow
our democracy in order to avoid criminal and civil charges.

sarchasm

(1,012 posts)
32. Lacrimosa - just leave out the 'spare' and 'eternal rest' parts
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 11:31 AM
Dec 2021
Lacrimosa dies illa
Qua resurget ex favilla
Judicandus homo reus.
Huic ergo parce, Deus:
Pie Jesu Domine,
Dona eis requiem. Amen.


Full of tears will be that day
When from the ashes shall arise
The guilty man to be judged;
Therefore spare him, O God,
Merciful Lord Jesus,
Grant them eternal rest. Amen.

Midnight Writer

(21,768 posts)
26. How long did it take DOJ to catch up to Jeffrey Epstein?
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 10:41 AM
Dec 2021

Seems like a lot of people knew what he was doing. It wasn't a big secret.

Yet he continued trafficking young girls to the rich and famous for decades.

There seems to be a special system of justice for the privileged.

gordianot

(15,238 posts)
29. So sitting Presidents are immune from legal constraints.
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 10:55 AM
Dec 2021

Now that includes ex Presidents. You might as well have Bill Barr. Ignore Trump at your own peril.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
30. And, Predictably, Many DUers Poo-Poo This
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 11:05 AM
Dec 2021

Please stop doing that, folks. Pessimism is contagious. So is optimism. Think about it.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
34. K & R Bookmarked
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 11:40 AM
Dec 2021

Thanks for posting this! I will read this in its entirety, and it looks very promising.



Good News - Finally!

tinrobot

(10,903 posts)
38. I think he is right in that no prosecutor wants to indict first
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 02:34 AM
Dec 2021
I think nobody, no prosecutor in New York or Georgia, at the Department of Justice or elsewhere, wants to be the first person to bring criminal charges against a former president. I predict, though, he will be charged and then every prosecutor will want to be the second one to bring charges, because the white-hot glare of media and political and citizen attention will be on the first prosecution.


I think there is some logic to that. Indicting a former President is new ground for any prosecutor. It's not something to be taken lightly, even when the perp is TFG.

Once the first indictment hits, however, then there's a very good chance the dam will break.
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