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JohnnyRingo

(18,633 posts)
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 06:52 PM Dec 2021

Let me see if I have this mass shooter story straight...

The kid takes dad's pistol to school and shoots random students. I don't want to say that happens all the time, but it's been done enough. The police question him.

Next thing we know there's a warrant for the parent's arrest. That never happened before that I know.
The parents, looking for all the world like they're guilty of something, lam it to avoid arrest and retain a lawyer.

Does it seem like the kid told the cops something damning about home life? I mean like the folks are involved in something way beyond shady and the boy blew the lid off of it.

Gun running? Embezzlement? Turnpike tolls? Maybe not that, but something heavy. Spies?

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Let me see if I have this mass shooter story straight... (Original Post) JohnnyRingo Dec 2021 OP
. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2021 #1
I guess you missed the prosecutor's press conference. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #2
The mother is an insane Trumper... Dan Dec 2021 #4
Why do people throw out pointless rants like this? brooklynite Dec 2021 #7
Should have put out a satire emoji Dan Dec 2021 #8
Thank you. BlackSkimmer Dec 2021 #11
Oh God, nooooo!!!! Poiuyt Dec 2021 #9
Who knows what these parents were telling this boy. They didn't teach him to value life Walleye Dec 2021 #3
If nothing else it's criminal gunner stupidity. AndyS Dec 2021 #5
the parents gave the kid a gun iemanja Dec 2021 #6
Not Dad's gun. It was purchased as a Christmas gift for the kid. tblue37 Dec 2021 #10
The kid wrote some alarming things vlyons Dec 2021 #12
The killer was talking about shooting people, drawing shooting victims, and searching online RockRaven Dec 2021 #13
The parents bought the gun for the killer malaise Dec 2021 #14
Spies? GusBob Dec 2021 #15
It sounds like the kid had major issues and there were red flags all over the place DeeNice Dec 2021 #16
they failed their kid Skittles Dec 2021 #22
Nah, just buying a gun for a disturbed kid signaling he's about to explode and... brush Dec 2021 #17
I think an environmant of general defiance at all rules bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #18
;-{)🖖‍ Goonch Dec 2021 #19
There's a lot you missed Effete Snob Dec 2021 #20
Here XanaDUer2 Dec 2021 #21
The prosecuting DA said the parents enabled a child they knew to have severe mental problems ShazamIam Dec 2021 #23
He wrote "help" MadameButterfly Dec 2021 #24
I foresee the parents being able to use the school as co rr SYFROYH Dec 2021 #25

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,346 posts)
1. .
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 06:54 PM
Dec 2021
Does it seem like the kid told the cops something damning about home life?


Beyond the fact that the parents were so willfully negligent of his condition and possible actions? No.
 

BlackSkimmer

(51,308 posts)
2. I guess you missed the prosecutor's press conference.
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 06:54 PM
Dec 2021

She laid the entire case out.

Nothing the kid said; they’ve got everything documented.

Dan

(3,562 posts)
4. The mother is an insane Trumper...
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 06:55 PM
Dec 2021
But TFG will probably give them a pardon when he is reinstalled.

brooklynite

(94,572 posts)
7. Why do people throw out pointless rants like this?
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 06:57 PM
Dec 2021

Trump (or any President) has no ability to Pardon for State convictions.

iemanja

(53,032 posts)
6. the parents gave the kid a gun
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 06:56 PM
Dec 2021

Even knowing how disturbed he was. This isn't a case of just getting ahold of Dad's gun.

I expect the school told the police about how the parents reacted. They also had the boy's cell phone with texts from his mom saying "just don't get caught," when he was found with ammo at school.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
12. The kid wrote some alarming things
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 07:00 PM
Dec 2021

"help me" "the world is dead" Now why would he write that? What was going on with him? Clearly he was deeply disturbed. I want to know what the family dynamic was. Because there was something very very wrong in that household.

RockRaven

(14,967 posts)
13. The killer was talking about shooting people, drawing shooting victims, and searching online
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 07:01 PM
Dec 2021

for ammo sales (each while at school and was caught doing so).

Mom's response was "learn not to get caught."

Dad's response was to buy a(nother) gun and allow him access to it.

The parents aren't being charged because of anything the killer told police about them. They're being charged because of what the school and cops already know about their role in the killings.

DeeNice

(575 posts)
16. It sounds like the kid had major issues and there were red flags all over the place
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 07:09 PM
Dec 2021

And no one with the guts or interest to intervene until it was too late. Maybe the parents thought he'd off himself and weren't too bothered by that. I don't know. Ignoring the signs and letting him have access to deadly weapons is bad enough and warrants the charges imho.

brush

(53,778 posts)
17. Nah, just buying a gun for a disturbed kid signaling he's about to explode and...
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 07:09 PM
Dec 2021

sending him to school about covers it...and then disappearing of course.

bucolic_frolic

(43,166 posts)
18. I think an environmant of general defiance at all rules
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 07:10 PM
Dec 2021

He was sent back to class. No one thought to search his backpack. Schools have to act as parents in their absence.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
20. There's a lot you missed
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 07:20 PM
Dec 2021

You might want to read a few articles to catch up on what happened.

First sentence - the gun was an early Christmas gift bought on Black Friday for the kid.

The kid had more red flags than a Communist party parade in China.

The parents were called to the school because of the kids multiple instances of basically saying through words and deeds "I'm going to shoot the fuck out of this place", and the parents blew it off.

This is not "kid takes dad's pistol". It is "Mom & Dad GIVE pistol to apparent psycho killer about which they had reason to know".

One example: The day before the shooting, the kid is found by a teacher to have been searching for ammunition online. There was already enough concern about his weird ass behavior that this received disciplinary attention. Upon being informed about what happened Mom texted him to be more careful not to get caught.

"Does it seem like the kid told the cops something damning about home life?"

Other than giving the kid a gun and keeping it accessible to him after being WARNED by the school there was something not right about him?

That's it - that's the "something damning".

ShazamIam

(2,571 posts)
23. The prosecuting DA said the parents enabled a child they knew to have severe mental problems
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 08:05 PM
Dec 2021

to kill other children.

MadameButterfly

(1,062 posts)
24. He wrote "help"
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 08:14 PM
Dec 2021

The saddest thing is the boy (killer) wrote "Help" among the other damning things that got the teacher's attention. A part of him wanted help out of this. He wanted to be stopped. He put the clues out there. i'm betting he made sure the teacher saw what he wrote. But no one stopped him.

SYFROYH

(34,170 posts)
25. I foresee the parents being able to use the school as co rr
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 08:38 PM
Dec 2021

When the school let him back into class without searching his backpack or locker they in effect said he wasn’t an imminent threat.

We dont know if the school asked about access to guns in the home.
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