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That was then, this is now.Link to tweet
brooklynite
(94,585 posts)ffr
(22,670 posts)Novembers 210,000 new jobs marks worst headline number of 2021 - Marketwatch 12/3/21
Pick the news source. AP is one of the news sources in the media.
dsc
(52,162 posts)SouthBayDem
(32,026 posts)local newspapers, tv stations, USA Today, you name the outlet. The AP is very authoritative.
Poiuyt
(18,125 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,907 posts)Not only are AP stories used by print, broadcast and Web media, its members and affiliates contribute articles and information that are shared in syndication. So, while the AP is not the whole media, its reach is universal.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)essentially pre-COVID, to November 2021 is full of problems.
In this case, the Jan 2020 job increase was substantially more than expected by economists, just the opposite for November 2021.
Dont like anything that might help the Orange POS, but not for leaving out facts either.
MacKasey
(987 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Celerity
(43,399 posts)examples being used by Brian Tyler Cohen.
I do agree with you, btw that it is a chalk and cheese comparison.
here is Miller's tweet from today
Link to tweet
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Celerity
(43,399 posts)ffr
(22,670 posts)I'll be sure to mention how unfair his comparison was once I can pull myself out from drowning in Fox News BS negative news titles that have turned the news world upside down for the past 20+ years.
The headline stands on its own merits regardless of how you look at it.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)to show sense.
ffr
(22,670 posts)A.I. Shows Mainstream Media Is Working Overtime To Knock Biden Down
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216115315
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Let's say a team is trailing by 40 points at halftime and outscore their opponent by 20 points in the second half of a 20 point loss and in another game, both teams are tied at halftime and one team outscores the opponent by 20 points in the second half to win.
Is the team that outscored their opponent by 20 points in the second half, but still lost the game by 20 points, equal to the team that outscored their opponent by 20 points in the second half and won the game by 20 points?
Of course not. The first team was operating from a massive deficit. So, just crawling 20 points out of it is not enough. Meanwhile, the other team was not operating from a deficit at all, so, their outscoring their opponent by 20 points in the second half is much more impressive.
200,000 jobs gained in 2018, when the economy hadn't lost 10 million jobs, is not the same as 200,000 jobs gained in 2021 when the economy is still trying to recover from 10 million jobs lost.
oldsoftie
(12,548 posts)One was expected to be lower but came out higher. The other was the opposite
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)oldsoftie
(12,548 posts)How are you not able to follow that? If projections are that 300k jobs will be added & "only" 200k are, its disappointing. If projections are that 175k jobs will be added & the number is 200k, its better than expected.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)It would have said "disappointing" if it didn't meet expectations, if the writer were honest, and said "surprisingly strong" if it exceeded.
It did not. It said "sluggish". Sluggish has nothing to do with expectations and everything to do with comparable past performance.
How are you not able to follow this?
"expectations" are wishes. Comparison of performance ("sluggish" ) is slanted in this case.
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 5, 2021, 01:55 AM - Edit history (1)
If you are expecting 550k because a massive recovery should be happening and you only get 210k, that is disappointing and can be considered sluggish.
That said, the print didnt tell the whole story. There were some other stronger points under the hood which I alluded to somewhere in this thread.
Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)Separately, I agree with the Morgan Stanley note I got at work:
The State of the Economy & the Fed
Fridays NFP report was the big data print of the week. Although the headline number came in lower than expectations at +210k (vs consensus for +550k), the report was actually very strong in that the unemployment rate moved lower, labor force participation picked up, and the average work week increased. The Fed will likely view the report as a strong one as well, which will only further support a change to its policy.
So, they took the report as a hint that the Fed would tighten policy which is a bit bearish.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)they have to do twice as good to be considered half as good
erronis
(15,286 posts)what they hear, they don't get the "respect" that died-in-the-wool repugs/conservatives get.
I say that there are certain people who listen with their mouths. They are unable to absorb, hear, understand other viewpoints. We all know who these people are.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,182 posts)The US economy found 200,000 new jobs
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)walkingman
(7,620 posts)that happened to our Democracy was Trump.
NQAS
(10,749 posts)The first was anti Biden. Something along the lines of lower than expected. The second was slightly less anti Biden.
Im so fucking fed up with that shit.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)The reason these reports are getting dinged, when 200,000 in previous years wasn't being dinged, is because the US wasn't needing to make up a 10 million gap like they are right now. So, the assumption is that the US will need to pull in 500,000+ jobs a month to climb out of that hole. They haven't yet and these numbers, while good if you're comparing them to previous years, don't really point an accurate picture. You have to isolate these numbers from previous reports prior to COVID.
So, 200,000 when the economy isn't needing to make up 10 million jobs is actually really good.
200,000 when the economy still needs to make up 5 million jobs? Not so good.
Lionel Mandrake
(4,076 posts)I'll point out that "media" is the plural of "medium", and therefore the verb form should be "are", not "is".
soldierant
(6,880 posts)it is the plural of a neuter singular, and such plurals often (as this one has) becon collectives and can be treated as singular.
Lionel Mandrake
(4,076 posts)Another example is "data". In Latin this is the plural of "datum", but "datum" is rarely used in English. Nowadays "data is" is just as acceptable as "data are". But once you start down the slippery slope of treating a plural as a mass noun, somebody will make it a singular count noun, and then there's nothihg to stop someone else from adding an "s" to make it plural. This leads to abominations like "medias".
I've even seen people write "criterias", as if "criteria" were singular. This example comes from ancient Greek κριτήριον (neuter) through New Latin criterion, which Wiktionary describes as a "Second-declension noun (neuter, Greek-type)." Here's the declension according to Wiktionary:
Case Singular Plural
Nom. criterion criteria
Gen. criteriī criteriōrum
Dat. criteriō criteriīs
Acc. criterion criteria
Abl. criteriō criteriīs
Voc. criterion criteria
soldierant
(6,880 posts)I must confess I don't know whether or not to shudder at the idea of someone speaking to a criterion. (Or to a group of criteria.)
twodogsbarking
(9,754 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(57,465 posts)Zeke Millier is the AP's White House reporter
https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller
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Here's an analysis of the payroll employment report the Associated Press distributed later on Friday. The AP used the 1.1 million figure from the report's household survey. The time stamp is 3:30 in the afternoon.
Link to tweet
Americas employers slowed the pace of their hiring in November, adding 210,000 jobs, the lowest monthly gain in nearly a year. Friday, Dec. 3 report from the Labor Department also showed that the nations unemployment rate tumbled from 4.6% to 4.2% evidence that many more people reported that they had a job.
By CHRISTOPER RUGABER The Associated Press 19 hrs ago | 3 min to read
Americas unemployment rate tumbled last month to its lowest point since the pandemic struck, even as employers appeared to slow their hiring a mixed picture that pointed to a resilient economy thats putting more people to work.
The government reported Friday that private businesses and other employers added just 210,000 jobs in November, the weakest monthly gain in nearly a year and less than half of Octobers gain of 546,000.<
But other data from the Labor Departments report painted a much brighter picture. The unemployment rate plummeted from 4.6% to 4.2% as a substantial 1.1 million Americans said they found jobs last month.
The U.S. economy still remains under threat from a spike in inflation, shortages of labor and supplies and the potential impact of the omicron variant of the coronavirus. But for now, Americans are spending freely, and the economy is forecast to expand at a 7% annual rate in the final three months of the year, a sharp rebound from the 2.1% pace in the previous quarter, when the delta variant hobbled growth.
Employers in some industries, such as restaurants, bars, and hotels, sharply slowed their hiring in November. By contrast, job growth remained solid in areas like transportation and warehousing, which are benefiting from the growth of online commerce.
The sharp drop in the unemployment rate was particularly encouraging because it coincided with an influx of a half-million job-seekers into the labor force, most of whom quickly found work. Normally, many such people would take time to find jobs and would be counted as unemployed until they did. The influx of new job-seekers, if it continues, would help reduce the labor shortages that have bedeviled many employers since the economy began to recover from the pandemic.
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AZLD4Candidate
(5,697 posts)copperearth
(117 posts)because somehow someone missed the correct figures and they get changed? Manipulated or a coincidence? Happened last month!
FelineOverlord
(3,580 posts)erronis
(15,286 posts)(Hard to remember and type...)
https://digbysblog.net/2021/12/04/arming-up-for-the-war-on-christmas/
muriel_volestrangler
(101,320 posts)The findings, painstakingly assembled by FiscalNote vice president Bill Frischling, confirmed my fear: My colleagues in the media are serving as accessories to the murder of democracy.
After a honeymoon of slightly positive coverage in the first three months of the year, Bidens press for the past four months has been as bad as and for a time worse than the coverage Trump received for the same four months of 2020.
Think about that. In 2020, Trump presided over a worst-in-world pandemic response that caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths; held a superspreader event at the White House and got covid-19 himself; praised QAnon adherents; embraced violent white supremacists; waged a racist campaign against Black Lives Matter demonstrators; attempted to discredit mail-in voting; and refused to accept his defeat in a free and fair election, leading eventually to the violence of Jan. 6 and causing tens of millions to accept the big lie, the worst of more than 30,000 he told in office.
And yet Trump got press coverage as favorable as, or better than, Biden is getting today. Sure, Biden has had his troubles, with the delta variant, Afghanistan and inflation. But the economy is rebounding impressively, he has signed major legislation, and he has restored some measure of decency, calm and respect for democratic institutions.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/03/biden-media-coverage-worse-trump-favorable/