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Whenever someone says the media is "liberal," show them this. (Original Post) ffr Dec 2021 OP
And AP represents "the media"? brooklynite Dec 2021 #1
It's one story title after another, negatively reflecting good democratic policies ffr Dec 2021 #2
NPR did this too dsc Dec 2021 #4
Its stories are reprinted EVERYWHERE SouthBayDem Dec 2021 #21
The AP is supposted to be the gold standard for news sources Poiuyt Dec 2021 #24
+1000 smirkymonkey Dec 2021 #35
Actually, yes. Kid Berwyn Dec 2021 #27
Not sure who Zeke is, but comparing job reports in January 2020, Hoyt Dec 2021 #3
I think it's from 2018 MacKasey Dec 2021 #6
You are right 2018, but same point. Hoyt Dec 2021 #7
Zeke Miller is an AP reporter, and he was not the one to make the comparison, his Tweets are the Celerity Dec 2021 #8
Thanks. BS comparison/misinformation from Cohen because expectations were different. Hoyt Dec 2021 #12
yes, he could have picked a better example Celerity Dec 2021 #14
I'm sorry that Cohen's comparison doesn't meet your standards for news fairness ffr Dec 2021 #15
I don't watch FOX, and I expect people who report the news Hoyt Dec 2021 #17
Excellent, then take it up with the Washington Post. ffr Dec 2021 #41
Ridiculous. Drunken Irishman Dec 2021 #18
The headline has no merit because the expected numbers were different for both months. oldsoftie Dec 2021 #19
If wishes were horses .... The Reality is that they slanted nearly identical figures. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #22
The reality is expectations were different in both months oldsoftie Dec 2021 #23
I read what you wrote. If "expectations" was the point, then it would have said "disappointing" Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #25
It's all about expectations. Lucky Luciano Dec 2021 #30
I agree with you. Lucky Luciano Dec 2021 #29
Dems are treated like women Skittles Dec 2021 #5
Great point. And because women and liberals/democrats are supposed to listen and evaluate erronis Dec 2021 #37
"The US economy looted 200,000 new jobs"... Tommy Carcetti Dec 2021 #9
DUzy uponit7771 Dec 2021 #11
The best thing that ever happened for the media (all) was Trump. The worst thing walkingman Dec 2021 #10
The NYT had two headlines about the jobs report NQAS Dec 2021 #13
The US lost about 10 million jobs in 2020. Drunken Irishman Dec 2021 #16
Whenever someone says the media is anything, Lionel Mandrake Dec 2021 #20
Media is indeed the plural, but soldierant Dec 2021 #32
That's true, but I reserve the right to shudder. Lionel Mandrake Dec 2021 #39
You are welcome to shudder. soldierant Dec 2021 #40
I am no fan of the media. twodogsbarking Dec 2021 #26
That was taken from Zeke Miller's tweet two minutes after the payroll employment report was released mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2021 #28
The more things change, the more they stay the same. Look at Hurricane Katrina AZLD4Candidate Dec 2021 #31
Ever notice how the Friday Jobs report changes the next week copperearth Dec 2021 #33
Maggie Haberman (aka Trump's Stenographer) just doesn't understand this attitude FelineOverlord Dec 2021 #34
Additional opinion from Digby's Hullabaloo erronis Dec 2021 #36
Show them this: The media treats Biden as badly as - or worse than - Trump. Here's proof. muriel_volestrangler Dec 2021 #38

ffr

(22,670 posts)
2. It's one story title after another, negatively reflecting good democratic policies
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 07:28 PM
Dec 2021

November’s 210,000 new jobs marks worst headline number of 2021 - Marketwatch 12/3/21

Pick the news source. AP is one of the news sources in the media.

SouthBayDem

(32,026 posts)
21. Its stories are reprinted EVERYWHERE
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 09:29 PM
Dec 2021

local newspapers, tv stations, USA Today, you name the outlet. The AP is very authoritative.

Kid Berwyn

(14,907 posts)
27. Actually, yes.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 09:30 AM
Dec 2021

Not only are AP stories used by print, broadcast and Web media, its members and affiliates contribute articles and information that are shared in syndication. So, while the AP is not the whole “media,” its reach is universal.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. Not sure who Zeke is, but comparing job reports in January 2020,
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 07:29 PM
Dec 2021

essentially pre-COVID, to November 2021 is full of problems.

In this case, the Jan 2020 job increase was substantially more than expected by economists, just the opposite for November 2021.

Don’t like anything that might help the Orange POS, but not for leaving out facts either.

Celerity

(43,399 posts)
8. Zeke Miller is an AP reporter, and he was not the one to make the comparison, his Tweets are the
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 07:58 PM
Dec 2021

examples being used by Brian Tyler Cohen.

I do agree with you, btw that it is a chalk and cheese comparison.


here is Miller's tweet from today





ffr

(22,670 posts)
15. I'm sorry that Cohen's comparison doesn't meet your standards for news fairness
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 08:29 PM
Dec 2021

I'll be sure to mention how unfair his comparison was once I can pull myself out from drowning in Fox News BS negative news titles that have turned the news world upside down for the past 20+ years.

The headline stands on its own merits regardless of how you look at it.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
18. Ridiculous.
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 08:49 PM
Dec 2021

Let's say a team is trailing by 40 points at halftime and outscore their opponent by 20 points in the second half of a 20 point loss and in another game, both teams are tied at halftime and one team outscores the opponent by 20 points in the second half to win.

Is the team that outscored their opponent by 20 points in the second half, but still lost the game by 20 points, equal to the team that outscored their opponent by 20 points in the second half and won the game by 20 points?

Of course not. The first team was operating from a massive deficit. So, just crawling 20 points out of it is not enough. Meanwhile, the other team was not operating from a deficit at all, so, their outscoring their opponent by 20 points in the second half is much more impressive.

200,000 jobs gained in 2018, when the economy hadn't lost 10 million jobs, is not the same as 200,000 jobs gained in 2021 when the economy is still trying to recover from 10 million jobs lost.

oldsoftie

(12,548 posts)
19. The headline has no merit because the expected numbers were different for both months.
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 09:08 PM
Dec 2021

One was expected to be lower but came out higher. The other was the opposite

oldsoftie

(12,548 posts)
23. The reality is expectations were different in both months
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 09:46 PM
Dec 2021

How are you not able to follow that? If projections are that 300k jobs will be added & "only" 200k are, its disappointing. If projections are that 175k jobs will be added & the number is 200k, its better than expected.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
25. I read what you wrote. If "expectations" was the point, then it would have said "disappointing"
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 10:09 PM
Dec 2021

It would have said "disappointing" if it didn't meet expectations, if the writer were honest, and said "surprisingly strong" if it exceeded.

It did not. It said "sluggish". Sluggish has nothing to do with expectations and everything to do with comparable past performance.

How are you not able to follow this?

"expectations" are wishes. Comparison of performance ("sluggish" ) is slanted in this case.

Lucky Luciano

(11,257 posts)
30. It's all about expectations.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 12:58 PM
Dec 2021

Last edited Sun Dec 5, 2021, 01:55 AM - Edit history (1)

If you are expecting 550k because a massive recovery should be happening and you only get 210k, that is disappointing and can be considered sluggish.

That said, the print didn’t tell the whole story. There were some other stronger points under the hood which I alluded to somewhere in this thread.

Lucky Luciano

(11,257 posts)
29. I agree with you.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 12:43 PM
Dec 2021

Separately, I agree with the Morgan Stanley note I got at work:

“The State of the Economy & the Fed

Friday’s NFP report was the big data print of the week. Although the headline number came in lower than expectations at +210k (vs consensus for +550k), the report was actually very strong in that the unemployment rate moved lower, labor force participation picked up, and the average work week increased. The Fed will likely view the report as a strong one as well, which will only further support a change to its policy.”

So, they took the report as a hint that the Fed would tighten policy which is a bit bearish.

erronis

(15,286 posts)
37. Great point. And because women and liberals/democrats are supposed to listen and evaluate
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 05:58 PM
Dec 2021

what they hear, they don't get the "respect" that died-in-the-wool repugs/conservatives get.

I say that there are certain people who listen with their mouths. They are unable to absorb, hear, understand other viewpoints. We all know who these people are.

walkingman

(7,620 posts)
10. The best thing that ever happened for the media (all) was Trump. The worst thing
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 08:02 PM
Dec 2021

that happened to our Democracy was Trump.

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
13. The NYT had two headlines about the jobs report
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 08:17 PM
Dec 2021

The first was anti Biden. Something along the lines of lower than expected. The second was slightly less anti Biden.

I’m so fucking fed up with that shit.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
16. The US lost about 10 million jobs in 2020.
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 08:44 PM
Dec 2021

The reason these reports are getting dinged, when 200,000 in previous years wasn't being dinged, is because the US wasn't needing to make up a 10 million gap like they are right now. So, the assumption is that the US will need to pull in 500,000+ jobs a month to climb out of that hole. They haven't yet and these numbers, while good if you're comparing them to previous years, don't really point an accurate picture. You have to isolate these numbers from previous reports prior to COVID.

So, 200,000 when the economy isn't needing to make up 10 million jobs is actually really good.

200,000 when the economy still needs to make up 5 million jobs? Not so good.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
20. Whenever someone says the media is anything,
Fri Dec 3, 2021, 09:27 PM
Dec 2021

I'll point out that "media" is the plural of "medium", and therefore the verb form should be "are", not "is".

soldierant

(6,880 posts)
32. Media is indeed the plural, but
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 03:19 PM
Dec 2021

it is the plural of a neuter singular, and such plurals often (as this one has) becon collectives and can be treated as singular.

Lionel Mandrake

(4,076 posts)
39. That's true, but I reserve the right to shudder.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 08:48 PM
Dec 2021

Another example is "data". In Latin this is the plural of "datum", but "datum" is rarely used in English. Nowadays "data is" is just as acceptable as "data are". But once you start down the slippery slope of treating a plural as a mass noun, somebody will make it a singular count noun, and then there's nothihg to stop someone else from adding an "s" to make it plural. This leads to abominations like "medias".

I've even seen people write "criterias", as if "criteria" were singular. This example comes from ancient Greek κριτήριον (neuter) through New Latin criterion, which Wiktionary describes as a "Second-declension noun (neuter, Greek-type)." Here's the declension according to Wiktionary:

Case Singular Plural
Nom. criterion criteria
Gen. criteriī criteriōrum
Dat. criteriō criteriīs
Acc. criterion criteria
Abl. criteriō criteriīs
Voc. criterion criteria

soldierant

(6,880 posts)
40. You are welcome to shudder.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 09:34 PM
Dec 2021

I must confess I don't know whether or not to shudder at the idea of someone speaking to a criterion. (Or to a group of criteria.)

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,465 posts)
28. That was taken from Zeke Miller's tweet two minutes after the payroll employment report was released
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 12:03 PM
Dec 2021

Zeke Millier is the AP's White House reporter

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller

WASHINGTON (AP) — US employers added a sluggish 210,000 jobs in November as economy contends with inflation and shortages.



Here's an analysis of the payroll employment report the Associated Press distributed later on Friday. The AP used the 1.1 million figure from the report's household survey. The time stamp is 3:30 in the afternoon.

The unemployment rate plummeted from 4.6% to 4.2% as a substantial 1.1 million Americans said they found jobs last month.



US jobless rate sinks to 4.2% as many more people find jobs

America’s employers slowed the pace of their hiring in November, adding 210,000 jobs, the lowest monthly gain in nearly a year. Friday, Dec. 3 report from the Labor Department also showed that the nation’s unemployment rate tumbled from 4.6% to 4.2% evidence that many more people reported that they had a job.

By CHRISTOPER RUGABER The Associated Press 19 hrs ago | 3 min to read

America’s unemployment rate tumbled last month to its lowest point since the pandemic struck, even as employers appeared to slow their hiring — a mixed picture that pointed to a resilient economy that’s putting more people to work.

The government reported Friday that private businesses and other employers added just 210,000 jobs in November, the weakest monthly gain in nearly a year and less than half of October’s gain of 546,000.<

But other data from the Labor Department’s report painted a much brighter picture. The unemployment rate plummeted from 4.6% to 4.2% as a substantial 1.1 million Americans said they found jobs last month.

The U.S. economy still remains under threat from a spike in inflation, shortages of labor and supplies and the potential impact of the omicron variant of the coronavirus. But for now, Americans are spending freely, and the economy is forecast to expand at a 7% annual rate in the final three months of the year, a sharp rebound from the 2.1% pace in the previous quarter, when the delta variant hobbled growth.

Employers in some industries, such as restaurants, bars, and hotels, sharply slowed their hiring in November. By contrast, job growth remained solid in areas like transportation and warehousing, which are benefiting from the growth of online commerce.

The sharp drop in the unemployment rate was particularly encouraging because it coincided with an influx of a half-million job-seekers into the labor force, most of whom quickly found work. Normally, many such people would take time to find jobs and would be counted as unemployed until they did. The influx of new job-seekers, if it continues, would help reduce the labor shortages that have bedeviled many employers since the economy began to recover from the pandemic.

{snip}

Copyright 2021 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without permission.

copperearth

(117 posts)
33. Ever notice how the Friday Jobs report changes the next week
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 04:18 PM
Dec 2021

because somehow someone missed the correct figures and they get changed? Manipulated or a coincidence? Happened last month!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
38. Show them this: The media treats Biden as badly as - or worse than - Trump. Here's proof.
Sat Dec 4, 2021, 07:48 PM
Dec 2021
Artificial intelligence can now measure the negativity with precision. At my request, Forge.ai, a data analytics unit of the information company FiscalNote, combed through more than 200,000 articles — tens of millions of words — from 65 news websites (newspapers, network and cable news, political publications, news wires and more) to do a “sentiment analysis” of coverage. Using algorithms that give weight to certain adjectives based on their placement in the story, it rated the coverage Biden received in the first 11 months of 2021 and the coverage President Donald Trump got in the first 11 months of 2020.

The findings, painstakingly assembled by FiscalNote vice president Bill Frischling, confirmed my fear: My colleagues in the media are serving as accessories to the murder of democracy.

After a honeymoon of slightly positive coverage in the first three months of the year, Biden’s press for the past four months has been as bad as — and for a time worse than — the coverage Trump received for the same four months of 2020.

Think about that. In 2020, Trump presided over a worst-in-world pandemic response that caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths; held a superspreader event at the White House and got covid-19 himself; praised QAnon adherents; embraced violent white supremacists; waged a racist campaign against Black Lives Matter demonstrators; attempted to discredit mail-in voting; and refused to accept his defeat in a free and fair election, leading eventually to the violence of Jan. 6 and causing tens of millions to accept the “big lie,” the worst of more than 30,000 he told in office.

And yet Trump got press coverage as favorable as, or better than, Biden is getting today. Sure, Biden has had his troubles, with the delta variant, Afghanistan and inflation. But the economy is rebounding impressively, he has signed major legislation, and he has restored some measure of decency, calm and respect for democratic institutions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/12/03/biden-media-coverage-worse-trump-favorable/
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