Former Federal Prosecutor Kirschner "Guarantees" Trump Prosecution on Evidence Available

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Those of us who are nowhere near as good or experienced lawyers as Glenn Kirschner don’t doubt his statement. Our doubts lay in whether any strong prosecutors exist (and have the authority) to step in and bring the “darn case in court.”

https://www.politicususa.com/2021/12/04/former-federal-prosecutor-kirschner-guarantees-trump-prosecution-on-evidence-available.html

[malaise]

1. Get thee to the greatest page RFN!

Lock him up!

[secondwind]

2. K&R

[2naSalit]

3. K&R

[Tommymac]

4. K & R - Justice Matters.

[Ramsey Barner]

5. What about Trumpers on the jury?

I don't doubt the ability of prosecutors to bring a convincing case. What worries me is that a single Trump supporter on the jury can stop a conviction.

[Solomon]

6. Ok. Well hell. Let's not bring any case then.

[3Hotdogs]

17. It would likely be in Southern District of N.Y.

Less Trumpanzees are in residence there.

[wnylib]

31. Why would it be in SDNY?

The article is about Trump's election crimes in DC. SDNY is investigating his financialal crimes in NY.

[3Hotdogs]

41. The alleged crimes took place in Trump Tower. Southern District covers that area.

Constitution requires trials to take place in the jurisdiction where the crime took place.

[wnylib]

42. Trump Tower in NYC?

The planning meetings for 1/6 took place in the Willard Hotel in DC and in the White House.

[3Hotdogs]

43. There are several allegations. Jan 6 is the most difficult to connect to him.

Financial crimes are most likely the ones for which he will be indicted. Those took place at Trump Tower.

[wnylib]

45. The OP is about the 1/6 insurrection.

Did you read the linked article?

[3Hotdogs]

46. No. I couldn't link to it.

[wnylib]

47. The OP and the link are

all about the evidence of Trump planning and instigating 1/6. No mention of any of his dozens of other crimes.

[3Hotdogs]

51. OK.

Thanx

[kentuck]

7. Any members of the "cult" should not be permitted on the jury.

That would not disqualify "sane" Republicans.

But it would not be a fair trial if a person could not look at the evidence in an honest and fair manner.

[wnylib]

33. His lawyer would insist on a jury of his peers.

[DBoon]

38. but how can they find 12 people so cruel and stupid

who would serve on this jury?

[wnylib]

40. Unfortunately, there are probably

enough magats in town.

[DENVERPOPS]

8. I have a feeling that is why

all these assholes nationwide are being charged, but none so far brought to trial.

I'm sure prosecutors realize that it would be near impossible to seat a jury that didn't have at least one Trumphumper on it.

[paleotn]

9. Enter jury selection.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

15. Being able to solve basic logic puzzles should be a requirement. . . nt

[Lurker Deluxe]

35. hell yea ...

And then take their right to vote away immediately after jury disqualification.

Fix this country real quick.

[DBoon]

39. Just require a Covid vaccination

that would eliminate almost all Trumpers

[paleotn]

10. I was once confident he'd be prosecuted for his many crimes. Now I'm far less so.

I hope it's my impatience and not Ford / Nixon 2.0.

[PatSeg]

11. Some days, I am confident

and others I have my doubts. I suppose that after years of blatant, in-your-face corruption, most of us have become extremely impatient and we also know too well how often Trump has escaped accountability.

[paleotn]

23. Exactly.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

34. Yeah!

Why not get a rally going- we can go to the Capitol and get all the Trumpers in Congress together and deal with them as well!
Even better, let’s get some flags, steal some podiums and laptops, maybe even shit on a desk or two?

Should we also go to the Supreme Court and drag them out for a curb stomping too?

You know, we could also go and set our Trumper neighbors’ houses on fire.
Maybe throw bricks through windows at pro-Trump businesses.

This could be so much fun!

[Lurker Deluxe]

36. No ...

Drag the Justices out and set them on fire ...

Drag the Trumpers our of their house and give the house to someone more deserving ...

Pro Trump businesses should have their taxes tripled to drive them out ...

This will be fun.

[KS Toronado]

13. The Jan 6th committee will be who brings him down first

Right after they start broadcasting on live TV, and public opinion against him grows by leaps & bounds.
Should also help us in the midterms.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

16. A little. Committee will sway a few & won't win tRump any converts, but I don't expect a wave

I hope I'm wrong and that there is a blue wave in 2020.

[mopinko]

27. might rly discourage the other side, tho.

those hearing are gonna make clear how duped they were. the disillusioned dont vote in great numbers, i dont think.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

28. Good point, I'm hopeful on that. . . . nt

[Thunderbeast]

14. Federal prosecutors had solid cases against the Bundys...TWICE

Once in Oregon (for the Malheur occupation), and once in Nevada for the ranch standoff.

Both cases ended in aquittal.

Ammon Bundy is preaching Civil War and running for Governor in Idaho.

My confidence in RWNJ prosecution is not as high as Mr. Kirchner.

[johnthewoodworker]

18. Republican/Nazi's aren't worried about the law, at all.

[birdographer]

19. I will believe trump will be in court

when I see trump in court. He skates through everything.

[Mr. Ected]

20. Perhaps everyone on this site is jaded beyond repair but it doesn't seem like anyone believes this

I used to, but I've given up. In fact, I've given up on the entire concept of democracy when the only political influence worth a shit in this country is capitalism. Oh, I know capitalism isn't political, but its incorporation into our democratic republic rendered the entire experiment a failure. We go through the motions, opining what is right and what is wrong, what is legal and what is criminal, but it's all a mind game when crimes at the highest levels aren't prosecuted when the rest of us shudder every time a blue light pulls us over.

I used to believe what I was taught in civics class. Now I understand, though the intentions were pure, the actual embodiment of the Constitution has gone up in a puff of smoke. We're a middling country with more money and power than honesty and integrity, and that will be our downfall.

By the way, I still believe the Dems are the good guys here. We're the ones trying to play by the rules, but the other side is more concerned with power than rules. Too many of them to prosecute so we lose.

[llmart]

26. Great post.

I agree with all of it. Unfettered, rampant and out of control capitalism will be our downfall. It's more important to our citizenry than democracy.

[dwayneb]

44. All true

There is little doubt that $$$ has corrupted our political system. Realize though that Trump is far more driven by his lust for power than he is by money only. He's never really been that interested in being a successful businessman. What he wants is control and vengeance to his enemies and those that dare to oppose him.

One thing to bear in mind - if the American experiment does come to an end, and we move toward some sort of authoritarian state, corporations will not necessarily benefit. Chaos and instability do not make for a happy Wall Street.

[boston bean]

21. Kirschmas. Believe it when I see it.

[drray23]

22. Sure. If Glen Kirschner was the attorney general

this would probably happen. However, I am skeptical that it will with the current one. I will be glad to be proven wrong.

[AncientOfDays]

24. And the judges

The wrong-wing has been stacking the judiciary for decades.

[Sherman A1]

25. Believe it when I see it

not before.

[llmart]

29. Count me among the skeptics.

I've lost all faith in justice for all and the "no person is above the law" concept in this country.

[Pepsidog]

30. 99% DOJ conviction rate applies to you and me but regrettably not the ex-con in chief.

Between Mueller, SDNY, Ga., and the man on the moon, I have no faith that charges will ever be filed let alone convictions. Face it folks, many people, not just the president, are above the law.

[AZ8theist]

32. Kirschner has been pissing in to the wind since the beginning....

I LOVE his takes on the treasonous pig, BUT...

NOTHING he has predicted has come true.

While I certainly hope his predictions come true, so far the DOJ has been crickets on the most criminally corrupt traitor in American history. If Doturd is not charged, arrested and frog marched before the midterms, our democracy is PERMANENTLY FUCKED.

[Poiuyt]

49. This +

[wnylib]

37. I'm wondering what the specific charge

would be regarding 1/6. Would it be based on Constitutional principle, which might involve a SC case to interpret, or is there a specific codified law that TFG could be charged with?

[Bettie]

48. I hope he's right

because it needs to happen.

However, won't he just announce he's running and all the cases have to stop because...who fucking knows?

[FakeNoose]

50. That 99% conviction rate means a lot of charges never go to trial

... and a lot of criminals never get charged. The US attorneys only go after the ones they know they can take down, and everyone else gets a pass. What kind of chicken-shit justice is that?