SF restaurant asked 3 armed SFPD officers to leave, feel free to come back unarmed, out of uniform.

[Demovictory9]

and posted about it self righteously!!!


https://www.instagram.com/p/CXFgTZirt2c/

San Francisco restaurant apologizes for refusing to serve 3 armed SFPD officers

https://www.sfgate.com/restaurants/article/SF-brunch-spot-asks-3-armed-San-Francisco-police-16675627.php

[Sympthsical]

1. San Franciscans aren't in the mood

Not with crime being the way it is.

Reminds me of the school board. The pandemic hit, all kinds of educational logistics problems came along with it. Parents were struggling. And there was the school board, occupying itself with renaming schools because various historical figures are problematic instead of managing the budget and figuring out how to actually educate children in changing circumstances.

Now a chunk of them are getting recalled. The mayor herself endorses the effort. When the mayor of San Francisco is saying you're too obsessed with politics instead of education, well, that's a look.

[Dorian Gray]

2. Yeah, priorities were fucked up

then with the renaming of schools, and now.

I actually appreciate the police chief's statement. He didn't accuse. He was disappointed and pointed out how they're attempting to reform. Community engagement, if they're intentionally pursuing that, is one of the best ways to reform the police.

Living in NYC, the general feeling on the street is a general fury at the elevated crime, homelessness, public drug use, etc. Subways FEEL less safe than they did a decade ago.

And we don't have the targeted hits of stores that are happening on the West Coast.

The entire country doesn't have the appetite for Defund the police or bail reform right now. Rising crime rates in conjunction with fewer services for homelessness, mental health and substance abuse are causing huge issues in cities.

[LiberatedUSA]

3. Sounds like they don't need the police.

The police should humor them.

[Skittles]

4. ridiculous behavior

the restaurant is out of line

[Lochloosa]

6. I agree. I worked in fast food in HS. Uniformed cops ate free.

[obamanut2012]

8. Why only cops, huh?

Why not teachers, social workers, firefighters, librarians?

[harumph]

9. I know right?

Probably b/c they're not afraid of the social workers, firefighters and librarians.

[Lochloosa]

10. Owners discretion. This was the early 70' s. Different time.

Hell, I smoked pot with a few of them.

[PatSeg]

39. It was meant to encourage

a consistent police presence in a business and thereby discourage criminal elements.

[jmowreader]

77. They don't have arrest powers

The REAL reason places offer discounts or free meals, coffee etc. to the police isn’t to thank them for their service. It’s to scare off evildoers…would YOU rob a place the cops walk into at random times of the day?

[Tetrachloride]

5. I can't imagine the restaurant would last long

Robbers know where to go

[Polybius]

42. Wonder if they would change their tune if they do get robbed

Probably.

[Lochloosa]

7. They posted an apology in Instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CXHgPRxv1eg/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

11. Was this the apology?

"We respect the San Francisco Police Department and are grateful for the work they do,” the post reads. “We welcome them into the restaurant when they are off duty, out of uniform, and without their weapons."

That seemed like a somewhat lame apology. Off-duty cops are still likely to be armed, since they can be "on-duty" in a heartbeat.

[secondwind]

12. The apology is right over your post....

[Shrek]

13. Here's an article with the text of the apology

https://abc7news.com/hilda-and-jesse-sf-san-francisco-police-restaurant-apology-owners/11304166/

"We made a mistake and apologize for the unfortunate incident, we are grateful to all members of the force. We hope this will be a teachable moment for us as we repair and continue to build bridges with the SFPD," said Hilda and Jesse owners, Rachel Sillcocks and Kristina Leidags Compton.

[Haggard Celine]

14. When I worked in restaurants, we liked it when uniformed cops ate there.

Even if they just came in and drank the free coffee, it was good to have them there. It kept away trouble. They always got there quickly if we needed them, too. It pays to be nice to the cops.

[PatSeg]

40. Yes, I remember working

in restaurants and we always appreciated a police presence, especially at night. Graveyard shifts particularly could be very intimidating.

[Retrograde]

69. There used to be one that was a favorite with local cops

Not just from the city it was in, but from neighboring jurisdictions. I was there once when a pair of local police were eating at one table, ones from two adjacent cities occupied 2 others, and the Highway Patrol a 4th!

[The Jungle 1]

15. Policing is out of control in our country.

The videos demonstrating this fact are all over the place. Police refuse to respect our rights and enforce the law with fascist authoritarianism.
Qualified immunity needs to be gone gone in every state. Community controlled over site needs to be in place or nothing will change. Police have proven they cannot police themselves. Qualified immunity is federal law!

[PTWB]

17. What does this have to do with lunch?

[Aristus]

18. "We'll only protect you if you give us free lunch" is bad policing.

The kind of corruption more akin to a Third World police state; which is what we’re gravitating to.

[PTWB]

19. What?

Is there any indication they were demanding a free lunch? That would definitely be objectionable, but I’ve seen no indication that anything like that occurred here.

Where did you come up with that??

[Aristus]

20. Several posts above mentioned offering free lunch and/or coffee

to visiting cops.

They’re working stiffs. They can pay like everyone else.

[PTWB]

24. What?!?

One person mentioned cops ate free at a restaurant they worked at in the 1970s, another mentioned that they liked it when cops came to their restaurant for free coffee because it kept people on their best behavior.

Neither of these poster’s anecdotes have anything to do with the OP in this case or the restaurant refusing service to on duty, uniformed officers.

Again, where did you come up with the idea that they were demanding a free lunch and refusing protection if denied?

[BradAllison]

34. Those post could be from someone in Des Moines

Has nothing to do with this story.

[LeftInTX]

21. I don't believe the cops asked for anything free

Place has a no guns policy,

The incident happened Friday at the new trendy eatery, where three uniformed officers were seated but were then asked to leave because staffers became uncomfortable. Co-owner Rachel Sillcocks told our Dion Lim exclusively on Saturday, it had nothing to do with who they were but what they were carrying.

"It's not about the fact that we are anti-police, it is about the fact that we do not allow weapons in our restaurant, we were uncomfortable and asked them to leave," Sillcocks said.

[Calista241]

22. Nobody said anything about free lunch. The restaurant barred a select group from service.

We sue the shit out of people and businesses for barring LGBT, POC, and others based on sexual identity, politics or race.

[BlackSkimmer]

59. The original,post had nothing to do with getting a free lunch.

But you knew that.

[The Jungle 1]

27. I said nothing about lunch.

I made a simple statement about why many Americans no longer trust cops.
However I believe a business can deny service to people with guns.
Thing is cameras have illuminated the dark fascist places police operate in.

[PTWB]

36. So your comment had nothing to do with the story in the OP?

[The Jungle 1]

60. If you can't see the connection I probably can't help you.

.....there is a current line about how police earn the hate. Police often act nasty and come off as fascist smart asses. People call that behavior "earning the hate".
You a cop?

[PTWB]

64. That's what I thought.

Do you have any indication that the officers involved on the story you're commenting on "earned the hate?"

You posted a general rant about police being out of control in a thread about police being denied lunch service for no apparent reason, other than they are police. I've not seen any indication that these officers behaved inappropriately, aggressively, or in any unacceptable manner.

You could spend your time being outraged about police brutality, systemic oppression of minorities and the impoverished by our criminal justice system, police corruption, or any of the other horrible misdeeds that actually exist.

But instead of being able to focus your legitimate outrage at legitimate targets, you’re focusing it here, on a story not about police misconduct, but about police eating lunch and doing absolutely nothing wrong.

No, I am not a cop.

[The Jungle 1]

75. I would bet a hundred bucks you are from NY

Respect is earned and my post demonstrated my lack of respect for police. It is past time for police to understand that something is wrong when your public hates you and is afraid of you.
Considering the current state of fascist policing in this country I never find it surprising when police are not given respect. I can remember every time a cop got in my face and disrespected me when I was young. There were good cops to, but ya know I don't remember them. Although the good cops probably had the biggest influence on me.
There are serious problems with policing in this country. So I have a hard time getting upset about a couple of cops who got turned away from the lunch counter. Ahmaud Arbery's murders walked free for 74 days now that is something I am still outraged about. There are thousands of other outrageous stories about police misconduct. When they clean up their act I will give them respect. Until then maybe they should just brown bag lunch. I sure don't want to eat with them.
So the thing about freedom is that everyone in America gets it. I have the freedom to post what I want. You have the freedom not to read it and the freedom to whine about it. Up to you.

Someone smarter than me wrote:
"Here are some truths:

1. We have limited resources and limited budgets.
2. Police departments account for huge portions of municipal budgets.
3. Policing is largely ineffective at preventing crime and we cannot incarcerate our way to safer communities."
PTWB

You want to defund the police. I think somebody made a Mass out of a Hail Mary! There is no need to argue, we agree.

[PTWB]

78. We agree on the big picture.

I'm just of a mind where I want to direct my outrage to the outrageous. If we vehemently oppose the police when they commit misconduct, and just as vehemently oppose the police when they don't commit misconduct, it is going to weaken our arguments and inoculate the public against that outrage in the first place.

In other words, overreacting to minor things (or to nothing at all) will hurt our chances at meaningful reform when the truly outrageous does occur.

Also, I am not from NY.

[The Jungle 1]

81. I lost another 100 bucks. Sorry dear.

I think you over estimate the other side. They do not even understand your argument

[EX500rider]

30. Almost a million arrest a month

What percentage of those do you think are "out of control"?

[cinematicdiversions]

50. Policing in general is hardly out of control. NT

[MichMan]

16. Karma should unleash a rash of dine and dash incidents there

[LeftInTX]

25. Hopefully the apology is enough

The place is new and it seems like the owners were a bit uninformed...

Maybe they were anti-police
Maybe they did not want customers to see on-duty police officers
They have a no guns policy...(If I owned business, it would also be no-guns, but it would not apply to police..duh)

[The Mouth]

29. One lame apology

And out of uniform police also usually carry.

I expect to see a 'For Lease' sign next time I drive by, this is all over my local feeds and people are PISSED.

Their choice to not serve police, but choices have consequences.

[The Mouth]

56. I will laugh my ass off when a 'for lease' sign is on the window

Anyone who is such an idiot that they are bothered by police sitting there eating a lunch deserves whatever happens to them.

'But I don't like teh gunz'..

Makes me ashamed to be a native San Franciscan.

[catsudon]

23. gee

the next smash and grab target for everything in the walkin fridge

[David__77]

26. I can understand that.

They may not want their patrons being policed while dining. If that’s it, I can understand it.

[MenloParque]

28. No problem with sitting down to eat and armed cops in the restaurant

Except if I encounter an officer who I know is rotten in SF, or one who has failed one of my many 1st Amendment Audits. Then they will be having a very uncomfortable meal.

[Ptah]

54. What is a 1st Amendment Audit?

[MenloParque]

55. An audit that seeks to improve transparency in policing practices. Many SF police fail.

[48656c6c6f20]

31. I always have a better meal sitting next to armed

To the teeth people. You know in case my meat gets up and tried to run away, or the veggies start mouthing off. Nothing like a good guy with a gun taking down an errant souffle.

[PTWB]

37. Do you consider uniformed police officers eating lunch to be "armed to the teeth"?

[48656c6c6f20]

38. Probably not armed enough

I've seen some pretty feisty Filet mignon. Probably need the swat team for that.

And another thing, my food has no where near enough dog hairs in it. A German Shepard police dog could really make that happen.

[PTWB]

41. Are you trying to argue against uniformed police officers eating lunch?

If you’ve got a point to make, you’re going to need to unravel it from the hysteria and misinformation. These police did not shoot their meals, nor did they bring a dog into the restaurant.

Instead of inventing fantasies to support an argument that you haven’t made, start with voicing whatever concern you have about uniformed officers eating lunch at a local business, and we can go from there.

[48656c6c6f20]

45. Oh.. I see you've escaped

From the cave. I should have known that. You'll need to acclimate back into the rest of the society that uses humor to poke fun at things that are just fucking bizarre.

I am hoping I can get around these claymores to get to the dessert display. And I wish that tactical tank outside would turn the barrel towards the door. Just in case my meatloaf makes a run for it.

I hear this place is nice, have you been?

[PTWB]

46. Humor?

Since when do completely imaginary fantasies, not related to the topic at hand, constitute humor?

You could spend your time being outraged about police brutality, systemic oppression of minorities and the impoverished by our criminal justice system, police corruption, or any of the other horrible misdeeds that actually exist.

But instead of being able to focus your legitimate outrage at legitimate targets, you’re focusing it here, on a story not about police misconduct, but about police eating lunch and doing absolutely nothing wrong.

I’m not going to accuse you of being disingenuous with your responses because I don’t know you, but the level of disconnect between the completely imaginary scenarios you’ve concocted and the reality of what actually occurred may cause some readers to suspect you’re trying to disrupt or make DU look bad.

I want to believe your heart is in the right place.

[48656c6c6f20]

48. I choose not to dine

At places that have guns around. Whether they be members of the paramilitary police or Hank the gun nut. Is it really that hard to get that? We live in a society where guns seem to outnumber skittles produced in a year. Why the freak isn't that funny? People that want guns are comedic gold.

[PTWB]

49. If you're uncomfortable eating in the same restaurant as a uniformed officer....

That’s all you needed to say. If you’re that uncomfortable, you can always get up and leave if uniformed officers sit down to eat while you’re already there, and you can choose to patronize a different eatery if they’re already there when you arrive.

Some folks are understandably fearful of, and triggered by, the mere presence of a firearm. PTSD and mental illness are not a laughing matter.

That said, I think it is incumbent upon those suffering from such fears to create their own safe spaces to eat—it isn’t incumbent upon the restaurant to ban uniformed officers, who’ve done nothing wrong, because someone might see them and get triggered.

Based on the community outrage and apology from the owners of the restaurant, it seems they agree with me.

[48656c6c6f20]

67. Triggered?

Oh dear you have a gun don't you? Let me hide under the table.

[PTWB]

70. Yes, triggered.

You needn’t feel any shame about it.

[48656c6c6f20]

71. Well thanks for allowing me something

That I don't need? You stayed at a Holiday Inn Express didn't you?

[PTWB]

72. Interesting.

Are you now trying to suggest that you're not triggered by the presence of guns in your proximity?

[48656c6c6f20]

73. Why would anyone be concerned

About gun wielding cops? It's not like they've ever shot unarmed people, spray bullets wantonly, lied about shooting people or just wrongfully fuck with people?

[PTWB]

74. Do you have any indication these officers were doing anything other than eating lunch?

Remember what we talked about before? Imaginary fantasies aren’t really helpful when discussing an actual event.

[The Mouth]

57. People that are afraid of guns

are comic, gold, too.

Yes, it really is that hard to get that anyone could be so fearful.

[48656c6c6f20]

62. Hmm. Grandma said guns are to be used to hunt with

And not to bring them to the dinner table. She was wise.

[BlackSkimmer]

61. Are you trying to be clever?

[48656c6c6f20]

63. Only if you try to steal

my potato. But with all the firepower I don't think anyone would steal it. A polite dinner is always enhanced by a glock or two.

[BlackSkimmer]

76. Lol.

All the best!

[Calista241]

79. Hey, if the zombie apocalypse kicked off right when you all are sitting there

You’d be in good shape.

[johnp3907]

33. I wouldn't trust anyone that stupid to prepare my food.

[The Mouth]

58. That and I don't want to give a cent of my money

to anyone that hostile, fearful, and ignorant.

[Wingus Dingus]

35. Stupid. They need to eat somewhere while on their break.

It's civilians with guns out in public that scare me, not police on lunch breaks.

[MichMan]

43. Wonder if their prohibition on armed police on the premises applies if they call them for help ?

with a situation concerning criminal activity, or a dangerous unruly customer who was threatening staff or other customers.

[MichMan]

44. Charging $18 for a plate of pancakes and $13 for avocado toast

[PTWB]

47. Sounds like a bargain in SF.

[cinematicdiversions]

51. Perhaps the police were investigating Highway Robbery? NT

[Sympthsical]

65. For $55, you can add white truffle!

Yeah, that's not that unusual for high end S.F. brunch. It's why I stopped going to brunch.

Having seen the menu, I'm actually a little confused. Do they have a regular menu for pop-ins? Because that seems pretty pricey and upscale for a "swing by for lunch while on break" sort of thing.

Most of the cops I see eating lunch while on duty are at Chipotle, lol.

[hunter]

52. I don't have any warm feelings when I see armed police about.

I've seen them shoot people I wouldn't have shot myself.

I don't think most police officers have the temperament or the training to use guns wisely.

One of my brothers used to own a restaurant with a somewhat rowdy clientele. He and his employees maintained order well enough. There was always my brother or a manager on the premises who could make a show of the big aluminum softball bat kept under the cash register.

The only time the police would show up was to arrest people they wanted for crimes committed elsewhere. They weren't interested in the bathroom vandals, drunken brawls, or any other disturbances of the peace. Off duty, some of these officers may have been participants in such, but not in the cool "tough cop" way frequently portrayed on television.

Another brother was the late night manager of a fast food place. He noted the police rarely got there before the bad guys had left, even the time bad guys shot out the front window to show they meant business.

If a restaurant welcomes armed police, and the clientele are accepting of them, the police still are not around often enough to offer any sort of security. Restaurants and other businesses have to pay for that.

[Ron Green]

53. I think what the costume is makes a big difference.

“Officer Friendly” in light blue with a saucer hat is a completely different presence from the tattooed muscle man in a black tactical vest.

San Francisco of all places should feature a community-friendly retro look instead of the militaristic, scary one.

[RFCalifornia]

68. Restaurant's right nt

[Demovictory9]

80. cops have as much right to eat as anyone.

Actions make progressives look like nuts

[RFCalifornia]

82. No I meant it's the restaurant's right to do that

And cops haven't exactly been on their best behavior, well, ever