tiedrich -- "let's GO"

[orleans]

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it's been eleven months to the day and we still don't know who told the dipshits with the zip ties where everyone's private offices were. who the fuck disconnected the panic buttons? why the fuck haven't the traitors been expelled from congress yet? holy fucking shit, let's GO

[Bernardo de La Paz]

1. Who told Proud Boys Donahoe about the deployment before top DoD figures?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216118697

[Ferrets are Cool]

2. It's a very sad state of affairs

We KNOW they know. "THEY" are just unwilling to do anything about it.

[llashram]

3. yep

what's the holdup peeps...

[BamaRefugee]

4. Sorry to say it but I think it's all a rope-a-dope until Rethugs get back the House and it all just

magically and very very conveniently disappears.
Ultra rich folks were obviously behind it all, and aside from Bernie Madoff, rich folks get away with stuff.
They only got Bernie because he ROBBED THE RICH, which is a crime greater than murder apparently.

[FoxNewsSucks]

9. That is the sad truth about America.

[DENVERPOPS]

11. WASF

The actions of the Republicans and their assault on the U.S., the Constitution, and Democracy has been well organized and orchestrated for over 40 years..........

And here we are near the end of their final performance.......we are a millimeter away from a Corporate Fascist Tyranny..........

I am frightened and terminally sad about the future that we are leaving for our kids and grandkids.
The Repubs aren't concerned, they are mostly psychopaths and don't give a rat's ass about the future well being of their kids and grandkids..........

I can't tell you the number of old white republican men who have stated:
I don't care, I'm gonna be out of here..........

and the bumper stickers I have seen on their expensive cars........GOT MINE F*** YOU...........

And a special call out to all the Repub politicians and voters in Phoenix, Las Vegas, and Southern California:

It Ain't Snowing In Colorado.............

[Whatthe_Firetruck]

19. ...And there is only one latrine...🎵

...in all of U.E.T!

F.M. Busby wrote a space opera distopian series about Rissa Kerguelen and her family.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2859143-rissa-kerguelen

The USA fell when it allowed corporations to run for election to operate the goverment. (Government is the problem) + (corporations are people) + (private sector knows best). Before long, only corporations could run for control. After several elections where different corps traded the reins, United Energy and Transport solidified as the permanent power, despotic and cruel. Several verses of the song in the title are shared as an underground protest whose surface humor papered over horrific acts.

When the titular character runs afoul of UET, she vows to do something about it. She starts by escaping...

[NJCher]

39. Don't forget Elizabeth

Of black turtleneck and Theranos fame. That trial is going on now.

[ancianita]

5. Let's GO!

[NJCher]

44. I've bookmarked that

for my new theme song when I need motivation.

Need to go rake the leaves? LET'S GO!

Need to clean up the kitchen? LET'S GO!

[Mr. Ected]

6. The wheels of justice grind slowly

But always somehow avoid grinding the shit out of a rich and powerful criminal.

[calimary]

7. Especially when they take so damn long he has loads of time

to plot his escape or avoidance of charges, and lots of time to distract and otherwise cloud up the issue (not to mention the facts).

[marieo1]

8. Agreement

I WANT ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS NOW............WHO IS KEEPING IT FROM US? THANK YOU, JEFF TIEDRICH, I APPRECIATE THE FIGHT FOR HONESTY.

[BamaRefugee]

10. Meanwhile, Gov. Cuomo was charged and kicked out in what, 6.5 minutes?

Not saying he shouldn't have been, just saying justice works at warp speed on Democrats most of the time.

[Takket]

20. it was about 9 months from accusation to resignation

https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2021/11/30/cuomo-nursing-home-and-sexual-harassment-allegations-timeline/

[BamaRefugee]

21. I know that but I was making apoint that in 4+YEARS nothing has happened to 99.9% of the criminals

who ran the government from 2017 to January 2021.

[hadEnuf]

23. And it's been 11 months from treason, insurrection and murder to now....

[BradBo]

12. Garlands shaking like a frightened child

under his desk.

[BlueJac]

13. Check back in 2023 something might be happening!

Seriously!

[Cobalt Violet]

14. And who built the frickin' gallows?

They don't just grow out of the ground.

[soldierant]

15. I attempted to start this

just as the Watergate timeline came under discussion, but in case it didn't work, it starts at 4:23

?t=263

[wnylib]

16. Thank you for posting this comparison

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of timelines between Watergate and 1/6.

I have pointed this out before. Some of us remember the sequence of Watergate and how long it took. Some have apparently forgotten. Others are perhaps not old enough to remember.

Hang in there.

[Poiuyt]

17. I'm old enough to remember. I also know that there have been fundamental changes

in Washington since Watergate.

Nothing will happen to Trump or any of the insiders.

[wnylib]

18. Most of the people who insist

that nothing will happen to Trump are so confident in their belief that I wonder if they would be disappointed to see him arrested and convicted. It would disrupt their view that all is so hopeless that there is no point in caring or doing anything, which is exactly how magats want them to feel.

[Progressive Jones]

26. I would be delighted for him to be charged and convicted. I'm beginning to see

that it may not happen. However, I'll remain optimistic. It would be hard to believe
that they have nothing on this crook. He's got a lot of mofos running binterference for him.
How long can that last?

[wnylib]

38. We all know what a slippery eel TFG is.

All the more reason to have an air tight case that he can't manipulate his way out of.

[orleans]

27. really? you wonder if dems would be disappointed? come on!

people have grown skeptical / disappointed / cynical

my mother would have said: "i'll believe it when i see it"

of course they wouldn't be "disappointed to see him arrested and convicted"

they might be shocked, stunned, elated, pleasantly surprised, or relieved--or any of those in combination.

disappointed? give me a break.

i wonder what your view is of those who are confident that trump will be arrested and convicted if he is never arrested and convicted? do you think their world view will be altered to something of the effect of: well, obviously trump didn't deserve to be arrested and convicted because if he had deserved it he most certainly would have been?

[wnylib]

42. It's not about whether or not someone is a Dem.

It's about psychology. Some people thrive on complaints. They live for them. If it's sunny, they say that it's too bright and hurts their eyes. If it's cloudy or rainy, they complain that the weather is too dreary. Summer is too hot and winter is too cold.

I see people posting here with absolute conviction that DOJ is doing nothing and will never do anything. They draw those conclusions without any information to back them up. Yet they are sure that they KNOW that nothing is being done. They have no reason for concluding that other than their own anxiety over not seeing a prosecution and conviction yet. It sounds like they take a perverse pleasure in holding their view.

I believe that things are being done and I can give reasons for believing that. First, the Select Committee's investigation is producing witness testimony and documentation as evidence that can and will be turned over to DOJ. Some of it might have been turned over already.

Second, I have faith in Biden's interest in getting to the bottom of the insurrection. I remember his public statement on the afternoon of 1/6 telling Trump to call off his thugs. Therefore, I believe that Biden chose an AG who can handle it. Biden has made the decision that executive privilege does not apply to Trump and his cabal.

Third, I have faith that Garland can handle the collection of evidence and of witnesses to testify and that he can and will prepare and present a good prosecution. He did it with McVeigh.

I could be wrong about this. If I am, I will be disappointed and angry to say the least. But I will not give up the fight against fascism. I will not just stand around wringing my hands and crying that all is lost. I will work my ass off to support resistance against fascism and to support competent leaders in that fight.

Right now, I have faith that the Select Committee, President Biden, and AG Garland are competent to lead the fight.

[soldierant]

51. Thank you.

I agree that I have faith, but I do undeerstand it's tough to han on. There are multiple reasons for that One, I suspect, is that technology had made so many things so much faster that we expect justice to be that much faster also. That isn't realistic.

However, another is that Trump** walking around loose is exponentially more dangerous than Nixon walking around loose. Nixon was only trying to corrput his party and his administration. He was surrounded by people (including in his own party) who were not going to let that happenany more than it already had. Trump** is attempting to corrupt enough oeople outside of politics and goc=vernment to start a bloody Civil War II. He is surrounded by people who are only too willing to help him do that. So I deeply sympathize with those who are impatient.

I also worry that this case is a bit like one of those baked souffles that if you open the oven too soon to peek at it, it collapses.

[wnylib]

53. The souffle analogy might be true, depending

On who or what is the souffle. If it is the evidence and witnesses against him, no, I would not agree. But if Trump and his gang are the souffle, yes, they will fall. But they will fight explosively on the way down.

Nixon was a bit more dangerous than some people think.

Both men were/are obsessed with their own personal power. Nixon believed, like Trump, that the presidency gave him unlimited authority. After Watergate, David Frost interviewed him. Frost brought up the illegality of Nixon's actions and Nixon responded, "It's not illegal when the president does it." Above the law, not constrained by it. Sound familiar?

Nixon sought unlimited power for himself and for the military industrial complex whose interests he represented. But he did have some degree of a sense of governance, too. Trump totally lacks that. Trump was playacting at being president. Trump is willing to overturn the government completely. Nixon wanted to keep the government but have complete personal control over it.

Remember Trump's use of law enforcement tactics during BLM protests to intimidate people in Seattle with secret arrests and threats? Under Nixon, anti war protesters were demonized, arrested, and beaten. Protest and civil rights groups were infiltrated by government agents in order to spy on them in the COINTEL program.

Trump declared certain members of the press as enemies of the people. Nixon had an "enemies list" of journalists that he ordered the FBI to surveil.

Nixon's and Trump's styles are very different from each other but they share some motives and goals. I think that Nixon probably convinced himself that his actions were in tge best interests of the nation and people. Trump, as we know, doesn't give a damn about anyone's welfare but his own.

Nixon was most dangerous in his last days and weeks as revelations in the hearings and in the Washington Post's reportings by Woodward and Bernstein became public. Nixon had always had a paranoid streak. In his final weeks, he was decompensating psychologically - losing it, in other words. Leaks from the White House said that he was drinking heavily, mumbling to himself, carrying out arguments out loud (with no one). There were serious concerns that he might decide to take the country down with him. The military brass talked about adding checks and balances on any nuclear orders that Nixon might give out.

Trump is a more serious threat to democracy. He is a more practiced criminal and an iconoclastic person who enjoys destroying people and creating chaos. All the more reason to be sure that we've nailed the case before moving in on him legally. I fully expect him to foment violence on a larger scale than 1/6 when he feels cornered by the law.

[soldierant]

54. Nixon did not continue to beliee he was still president after he wasn't.

He also had some concept of personal dignity. And his style did not include mass pallies whipping supporters up tp violence

He was dangerous as the President, maybe more dangerous than Trump**. But it wasn't as dangerous to fail to incarcerate him as it would be to fail to incarceratr Trump**.

[wnylib]

55. I don't think that Trump believes

that he is still president. That's just an act put on to keep his followers riled up and ready to fight on his behalf.

Agree that Trump is dangerous. I have never thought that he isn't.

[soldierant]

56. You're probably right, but

it doesn't matter whether or not he believes it - his followers think he does, and they believe it too.

[NJCher]

41. +1000

So sick of it. They should give up already and call it a day.

[wnylib]

43. I think that if they really feel

so strongly about nothing being done, they should not waste their time complaining here. They should contact Senators, Representatives, the White House, and DOJ to express their concerns and demand action. Those elected officials and appointees have staff to take note of public opinion.

But if they prefer to complain here instead of registering their complaints and concerns with people who can do something, then I would conclude that they would rather sow division and discouragement among Dems.

[hadEnuf]

24. Watergate was popping a lock on an office door and a cover up.

1/6 was open treason, insurrection and murderous violence, planned and instigated by a sitting POTUS and his henchmen.

Bit of a difference there.

[wnylib]

25. There certainly is a difference.

Planning and staging an insurrection is more complex and involves more people. Therefore, the investigation is also more comolex, involving a lot more people.

[hadEnuf]

28. It's the lack of urgency and seriousness.

It often seems like it's being treated more like an administrative business ethics violation instead of the violent attempted coup d'etat targeted at the heart of America's elected government that it was.

[soldierant]

29. That doesn't bother me.

Rather, it reassures me that those who are investigating, in whatever branch of goverment and whatever level of government they may be, are taking it seriously ans evaluating serious evidence - and NOT in any way in the slightest degree inspired by such feelings as hate, anger, and/or revenge.

If course I don't expect RWNJs to understand that this is what strength looks like - that strength does not look like yelling all kinds of inflammatory BS. But at least it doesn't give them an obvious handle to scream "They're just out to get us?"

[wnylib]

37. What makes you think that there is

a lack of urgency and seriousness? What specifics do you base that on?

What specific words or actions make you believe that it is only being treated as administrative business?

So far, all I'm hearing is generalized impatience and complaints without any particular foundation other than, "It's taking too long and I wanted results yesterday."

If people believe that nothing is being done, then why waste time bitching on a message board about it? Contact your Senator or House representative and give them your reasons for believing that nothing is being done. Send an e-mail or letter, or make a phone call to the White House. They have staff to receive and record complaints and they do pay attention to public opinions that they receive.

[hadEnuf]

45. So write my congressman if I don't like it. Got it.

Sure, there are a few people sweating it a bit, but the bigger indicator in my book is how the GOP is continuing to push their shit to the absolute limit while laughing about it. People who are worried about justice being served don't act like that.

Maybe they are keeping their "powder dry" so as not to incite the crazies and let things cool off while they do their work, but we've been burned before from Fitzmas to the Mueller report and this has traces of venturing down those same roads. If they want support a little red meat for the supporters once and a while wouldn't hurt instead of wait, be patient, wait some more, etc. After the atrocities committed by Trump I think we are at least entitled to that.

[wnylib]

47. You dismiss writing your congressman if

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you don't like it, yet somehow feel that a message board is more productive? Got it. You don't believe that giving feedback and putting pressure on your representative to act is as productive as venting in cyberspace.

Venting is fine when we need to do it. It is good to have a place like DU where we can express concerns and discuss differing points of view. We learn from each other and support and encourage each other. We can motivate people to productive action. Or we can discourage people and make them feel helpless, hopeless, and divided.

I understand frustration and anxiety over the threat to democracy. I feel it, too. But I also know that Biden shares those concerns. He spoke about it in 2016 at the Dem convention. It is what motivated him to run in 2020. I know that DOJ successfully investigated home grown terrorism at Oklahoma City's Murrah Building - or what was left of it. I know that Garland participated in tbe successful prosecution of McVeigh. So I do not feel that all is lost.

[hadEnuf]

49. I'm not dismissing anything. I simply felt your reply was dismissive of some credible concerns.

My intentions are far from trying to discourage people and make them feel hopeless. Quite the opposite. I think people need to understand that we can have these insurrectionist scum nailed as long as we follow through with it. We need to prosecute some of the low-hanging GOP fruit to send a message to the bigger fish that we mean business and that we are coming for the ring leaders. We also need to send the same message to our own to let them know that this is really going to happen. Unfortunately, Democrats have a record of choosing to move forward for "the good of the country" when we really should have gone after the bad guys. People remember this which is why we need to keep pressure on our own as well as the GOP
.

[Grasswire2]

34. EXACTLY.

A two bit burglary and a little bit of obstruction of justice.

vs.

Execution of a conspiracy and plot to violently invade the Capitol during the precious and solemn certification of votes in order to prevent the peaceful transfer of power to the duly elected new president. (at a minimum)

[Autumn]

46. Watergate was before 24 hour news and social media. Criminals didn't post videos of themselves

committing crimes and brag about what they were doing all over social media.

[wnylib]

48. Sure, a lot of things are different now.

But some things in human nature do not change. Nixon had many supporters going into the hearings. There were people who believed that a president should not even be subjected to hearings. On the other end there were people who believed in condemning Nixon without benefit of hearings and an investigation.

But the evidence and testimony on TV for all the nation to see and hear brought out the facts and changed not just public opinion, but also prompted Republicans to reign Nixon in.

The Select Committee is going to present its case to the public on TV. When the lights go on, the cockroaches scatter.

I expect to see an attempt by TFG and his allies to present their distorted excuses and counterattacks. I also expect to see demonstrations and some violence to distract from the exposure of the criminals and their crimes. But the case, well investigated and presented, will be more compelling than the trash coming from the RWers.

[NJCher]

40. Very important

And relevant to this discussion. Well worth the time to watch.

[soldierant]

52. Thank you.

[Silent3]

22. Even if a slew of indictments came out tomorrow...

...I'd still say, "What took you so damned fucking long?"

I'm well past where anyone can shame me for impatience or not appreciating how difficult this is or not having "faith" in Garland or "the process".

A large measure of justice as already been denied by letting these traitors operate freely so long and letting them continue to plot their next attacks.

[Rhiannon12866]

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[orleans]

31. thanks for all of those replies!

[Rhiannon12866]

32. You're more than welcome, I think I like the last one the best!

[orleans]

35. that last one is great. i was scrolling down to read them and scrolled back up to take a longer

look at that bastard's face.

[Rhiannon12866]

36. I will never understand, it's totally beyond me, why anyone would want to be associated with,

Let alone support, such an ignorant, vindictive, hateful individual. He's got nothing, demands "loyalty," and for what?? He's throw any and everyone under the bus when they cease to be useful to him. He's even done this with his own family. What an odious excuse for a human, I really do not get it.

[WarGamer]

33. Not that it's very important...

But the panic button thing has long been explained... surprised no one told Jeff.

Snopes:

The aide added that ‘it is likely relevant’ that Pressley took over the office of former congresswoman Katie Hill (D-Calif.) in an office swap at the beginning of the last Congress. Hill subsequently resigned amid an ethics investigation, which may have erroneously placed that office (despite its having been traded to Pressley) on a list to be emptied out at the end of the last Congress.

That might have resulted in the removal of the duress buttons, the aide says. […]

Still, the aide cautioned that an internal Capitol Police investigation into the matter “remains ongoing.”