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I fear this might be true: (Original Post) tblue37 Dec 2021 OP
Only if we stop fighting can this happen. eom guillaumeb Dec 2021 #1
+1,000,000. wnylib Dec 2021 #20
Just me...but I will never give up! .donate, volunteer, vote!!! PortTack Dec 2021 #2
K&R, We need to copy GQP message mechanics not their message then start whooping their asses with uponit7771 Dec 2021 #3
We're still doing it. onecaliberal Dec 2021 #4
Yup, you don't bring a hotdish to a knife fight in a phone booth.. NT mitch96 Dec 2021 #5
Toxic optimism. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2021 #6
Thank You. nt Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #10
Exactly. LakeArenal Dec 2021 #14
Yup, time to kick some ass, politely. Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #7
No kidding! BlueJac Dec 2021 #8
Uncomfortably numb is not what we should be. Unfortunately, I do agree with this sentiment. c-rational Dec 2021 #9
Well said...that is what keeps us all Democrats frustrated. Escurumbele Dec 2021 #11
should have added judges to the Supreme Court .. ? stopdiggin Dec 2021 #18
Please think about the following from your post: wnylib Dec 2021 #23
Remeber when (last year?) Sen Schumer got a bit testy... electric_blue68 Dec 2021 #12
good start is ban dark money, lobbyists, the list is huge ! monkeyman1 Dec 2021 #13
K & R Duppers Dec 2021 #15
the suggestion is that I must embrace cheating and lying stopdiggin Dec 2021 #16
We can be tough without being dirty. tblue37 Dec 2021 #17
gets a hardy endorsement from me stopdiggin Dec 2021 #19
You might want to re-read the OP for clarity. Gore1FL Dec 2021 #21
So what do you do to not tolerate cheating and lying? Kaleva Dec 2021 #24
Call it out constantly, would be a good start. Gore1FL Dec 2021 #27
Thanks for your response! Kaleva Dec 2021 #29
"35 years of cowering in a corner .." stopdiggin Dec 2021 #31
well if we cheat the media will go on and on about it treestar Dec 2021 #22
What does being polite have to do with it ? Terry McAuliffe wasn't Polite JI7 Dec 2021 #25
So we should have defended Cuomo because that's one of the things JI7 Dec 2021 #26
Fighting...? albacore Dec 2021 #28
that pretty much sums it up Skittles Dec 2021 #30
Sorry canetoad Dec 2021 #32
So it's Democrats' fault? "Why didn't Dems stop ___ ?" "Dems don't fight hard enough!" betsuni Dec 2021 #33

wnylib

(21,486 posts)
20. +1,000,000.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 08:34 PM
Dec 2021


Never give up, not even if they do manage to grab hold of the government. People in other nations have faced terrible odds in terrible situations and have fought back.

Never stop fighting.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
3. K&R, We need to copy GQP message mechanics not their message then start whooping their asses with
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 06:12 PM
Dec 2021

... it.

onecaliberal

(32,863 posts)
4. We're still doing it.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 06:25 PM
Dec 2021

We will stand by politely while they take everything people have fought and died for 200 years to gain.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
6. Toxic optimism.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 07:10 PM
Dec 2021

We habitually overestimate both the intelligence and the personal integrity of the average voter. They want professional wrestling and we keep offering them CSPAN.

c-rational

(2,593 posts)
9. Uncomfortably numb is not what we should be. Unfortunately, I do agree with this sentiment.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 07:38 PM
Dec 2021

We, as in Dems, are too polite at times we should not be. As others have pointed out, we need to copy the messaging technique, not the message.

Escurumbele

(3,395 posts)
11. Well said...that is what keeps us all Democrats frustrated.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 07:40 PM
Dec 2021

Democrats must be the most optimistic people on earth, we are always waiting for the Democrats to fight hard to remove all republican criminal actions...we keep waiting...

By now Biden should have added judges to the Supreme Court, and so many things.

wnylib

(21,486 posts)
23. Please think about the following from your post:
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 08:47 PM
Dec 2021

"...we are always waiting for the Democrats to fight hard..."

We ARE "the Democrats." We do not have to sit passively waiting for "them" to do something.

Ask not what your party can do for you. Ask what you can do for your party.

What talents ot skills can you bring to the fight? Art? Music? Writing? Debating? Attending local party meetings? Local council and school board meetings? Letter writing to representatives? Phone calls? Donations of time or money to good candidates and good causes?

A quote from Eleanor Roosevelt: "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."

You could substitute other words in that quote for the word "inferior," like "hopeless."


electric_blue68

(14,906 posts)
12. Remeber when (last year?) Sen Schumer got a bit testy...
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 07:44 PM
Dec 2021

over what, I don't remember, but sooo many people were upset! And not I think just Repugs.

I think I was "you go, Sen!".

stopdiggin

(11,316 posts)
16. the suggestion is that I must embrace cheating and lying
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 08:14 PM
Dec 2021

in order to have any chance to prevail. The simple answer is, "Nope."

Hardball politics - hard nosed negotiations and results - hard eyed looks at what is achievable, and what is not .... I can countenance a lot of 'tough guy' approach, and 'hands dirty' method - but when you're advocating that we become a mirror image of our opponent ....

Why - - so I can become a cult member myself?

stopdiggin

(11,316 posts)
19. gets a hardy endorsement from me
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 08:20 PM
Dec 2021

I read the OP (tweet) as saying something different. If so - my mistake.
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Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
21. You might want to re-read the OP for clarity.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 08:42 PM
Dec 2021

Discontinuing being polite in the face of egregious cheating doesn't imply embracing cheating and lying. It implies not tolerating cheating and lying.

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
27. Call it out constantly, would be a good start.
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 08:59 PM
Dec 2021

Punish it would be a good follow-up. Stop throwing olive branches at the people shooting arrows might also be a consideration.

Or to sum it all up, I would like to see Democrats move the agenda with the facts as well as the GOP does with lies.

After 35 years of cowering in a corner, I've kind of had enough.

Kaleva

(36,309 posts)
29. Thanks for your response!
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 09:15 PM
Dec 2021

I disagree and point to Nancy Pelosi who is tough and dishes it out. Biden is like Obama. Staying above the fray and being classy. I don't see him as a street fighter anyways. My own Gov. Whitmer isn't afraid of a fight.

stopdiggin

(11,316 posts)
31. "35 years of cowering in a corner .."
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 11:26 PM
Dec 2021

man, I am so sorry you see all the struggles and efforts of the past generation in that light.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
22. well if we cheat the media will go on and on about it
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 08:44 PM
Dec 2021

the only way to win is either to take over the media and use it in the same biased way, or try to get people to be more intelligent and not just follow the media pundits' instructions on how to see things.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
25. What does being polite have to do with it ? Terry McAuliffe wasn't Polite
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 08:49 PM
Dec 2021

He told the "morans" to f off and defended teachers and lost becsuse of it.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
26. So we should have defended Cuomo because that's one of the things
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 08:50 PM
Dec 2021

that turned people off to Democrats.

albacore

(2,399 posts)
28. Fighting...?
Mon Dec 6, 2021, 09:02 PM
Dec 2021

At some point we....Dems/Progressives/sane people... need to hire some really clever people to make ads that attack the Qpublicans with their own words.

There is a youtube video that consists of 4 minutes of trump playing down the Covid virus. As we approach one million dead Americans by the end of February.... 15 million worldwide (IHME numbers-crunchers)... perhaps some media company could put together those numbers, trump's comments, and the fact that 85+% of Repubs approve of trump. Keep it short and deadly. 10-20 seconds. And repeat it constantly.
And then there's all the dumbshit things that MTG and Boebert and Jordan and the rest are constantly coming up with. Fodder.
And then there's the abortion thing. Short, deadly Teevee ads supporting - not abortion - but choice.
Shit... The writers on Saturday Night Live and the Daily Show could make a better product than the ads I've seen.
That's not playing dirty...it's not even fighting. That's simply telling it like it is.

betsuni

(25,537 posts)
33. So it's Democrats' fault? "Why didn't Dems stop ___ ?" "Dems don't fight hard enough!"
Tue Dec 7, 2021, 12:56 AM
Dec 2021

Why would anyone think Democrats don't fight? What do they expect them to do? They're legislators, not revolutionaries, protestors, activists. People can still do that populist revolution thing. What are they waiting for, why so polite? Get out there and rally.

The whole history of the party is fighting for equality and rights. "Lost every important fight"?

What the hell is the point of this?

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