YouTube Video: Ethan Crumbley stumbling and falling in diner where he helped out occasionally in

[ARPad95]

2020. He would have been 14 at the time. Diner manager contacted mother and she claimed he hadn't eaten anything that day (it was 11:00 am). Manager didn't believe that line.

Accused school shooter Ethan Crumbley collapsed last year while working at a local diner in an bizarre, unexplained incident captured on video. Footage, obtained exclusively by DailyMail.com, shows the 15-year-old stumbling into the back room of the 5-1 Diner in Oxford before falling to the ground. The incident occurred at 11am on September 20, 2020 as the boy had been filling in for another employee at the restaurant, where he'd worked on seven or eight other occasions, according to the owner. Video shows Ethan enter the room wobbly on his feet. He sways erratically from side to side while flailing his arms, then collapses and slams head-first into a cabinet.

What does it look like to you?

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[MontanaMama]

1. My gawd.

What’s up with this child?

[JanMichael]

2. After the story is about his parents leaving him constantly to fend

for himself I doubt they also had food in the house all the time.

Whether it's simply a case of negligence or abuse will surely find out during the trials.

Between the school not acting and his parents being what they are which is complete dog s*** this kid was literally set upon people he shot.

[Solly Mack]

3. I'll say it again. That's some cutthroat parenting.

[Demobrat]

4. Look drunk to me.

[Bluethroughu]

5. This probably is a child that has suffered years of neglect.

Hungry
Exhausted
Psychologically overwhelmed
Miserable

His parents have a lot of explaining to do.

[RandySF]

6. All the more reason he shouldn't have been near a gun.

[tishaLA]

28. Right? If I were an abusive parent, the last thing I'd do

is buy him a 9mm.

[Bluethroughu]

51. Couldn't be more clear.

Misdirected anger from the kid...his whole life is dependent on his parents that do little and hate everyone, so he blames the outside world because he knows no better.

He'll have plenty of time in his life to figure this out, behind bars.

His parents are lucky they weren't on the other end of that barrel of that gun, but now they will have their own blame moving forward, hopefully living the rest of their life in prison thinking about what choices they could have done differently.

[ARPad95]

7. It's sad to think, but maybe they were hoping he'd off himself with the gun so they'd be free to

live their crappy lives without a care in the world (i.e., no more troubled teen to disrupt it)?

Edited to add: This is in reply to RandySF's post #6 above.

[LiberatedUSA]

40. If that is the case...

…then they are surely surprised they’ll be serving a long time as well. Decades with their charges.

[BigmanPigman]

8. If he was hungry and was working at a diner

why didn't they offer him something to eat? The mother is full of BS. When his older brother was caught smoking weed he told his boss that his dad was the one who gave it to him and didn't care at all about his parents being called.

[maxsolomon]

27. Maybe they did.

before he face planted, how would they know? Looks like he bonked - no fuel on board.

[roamer65]

9. Drugs or alcohol.

[Maru Kitteh]

10. Drunk off his ass. nt

[BlackSkimmer]

32. He'd reek of booze if he'd been that drunk.

That’s a disturbing video.

[greatauntoftriplets]

11. Booze or drugs, IMO.

[GusBob]

12. Is he diabetic?

Kinda early to be falling down drunk

[Cracklin Charlie]

13. Does the establishment sell booze?

He probably could have had time to get pretty sloshed if unsupervised.

[ARPad95]

14. According to the story, it was 11:00 am at a diner so we can probably assume alcohol was not

being served. His crappy parents each had a past DUI (on the same day!) and would leave him alone at night as young as age 9 while they went bar hopping. If he was drunk, the alcohol was probably easily accessible at home.

[Cracklin Charlie]

37. They don't need to be serving to the public at the time...

For an employee to gain access. And, he certainly could have gotten booze at home before going to work.

I think the boy looks like he was drunk on alcohol. The last person I saw fall like that was drunk.

[Corgigal]

15. I'm also going with alcohol.

Seems like he grew up like a Jeffrey Dahmer. Time will tell.

[DURHAM D]

16. In my state you have to be 16 to work in a restaurant.

How does it work in other states?

A restaurant kitchen is the last place in the world he should be.

[LeftInTX]

18. My sister in law lied, but this was in the early 80's and they didn't check

[ARPad95]

19. 14 and even younger in limited settings.

https://www.job-applications.com/how-old-to-work/michigan/

How Old Do You Have to Be to Work in Michigan?

Though the minimum age for employment in the Wolverine State stands at 14 some jobs allow kids to start working at a younger age. At 11 years old, kids can referee sporting events for small children or work as golf and bridge caddies. Thirteen year olds can find employment setting up trap machines at shooting ranges, or working for their parents in a store, restaurant or farm setting.

Yep, start 'em young at the shooting range.

[iemanja]

25. I worked from age 13 in Minnesota

I think 14 might be the legal age. I was close to 14 when I started.

[obamanut2012]

39. KIds in NC can work in restaurants at 15

It used to be 14, but I think they upped it to 15. They have limited hours and restrictions on what they can do, but they can indeed work there. Most places do not bother until they are 16, because the restrictions are heavy.

[Sgent]

43. Federal law

is 15, 16 to work with certain mechanical objects. In the restaurant I worked in you could be a prep cook at 15 but couldn't use the electric meat grinder, cheese grater, slicer, etc.

They mostly would only hire 15yo's to be hosts / hostesses or busboys since they couldn't serve alcohol until 18.

[LeftInTX]

17. Fourteen and working??

[ARPad95]

20. The diner manager stated he'd only helped out to cover for absent employees a few times.

His older half-brother worked there when he lived in Michigan.

[luckone]

30. I was the same age and worked a similar

job on weekends @ 14
Working a pt job is not the catalyst for his horrific
actions IMO

[obamanut2012]

52. I worked at 14

Picking blueberries and strawberries, and sometimes in my neighbor's ice cream store's window. Only during the summers and over Xmas break, because school came first. But, many kids work so they can help out their families or earn money for a PS5 or something. Also, plenty of girls babysit every weekend, and that is even job with a high-level of responsibility and low pay. I also did that some weekends, if they were relatives or folks we knew very well. I started that at 12.

[Demovictory9]

21. Omg..he fell hard

[ecstatic]

22. Earlier today I was thinking that the parents must be drug addicts

Their actions up until the shooting were totally divorced from reality. I can't picture even the worst sober parents behaving that way. Maybe the kid found their stash?

[iemanja]

23. First off, if the parents aren't paying enough attention to feed

their son, how would they know he hadn't eaten all day?
Maybe he was drunk or drugged, or maybe he'd been hit upside the head. Whatever the explanation, these are awful parents.

[Wingus Dingus]

24. Huffing, drugs--or possibly low blood sugar.

I had two bad bouts of low blood sugar as a teenager--one that made me almost pass out in church, one left me sitting under the sinks in a McDonald's bathroom. I would think they would have smelled alcohol if he was that wasted.

[maxsolomon]

29. That's my guess.

He probably hadn't eaten or had anything to drink, and he was hard into puberty at 14. Big caloric needs.

[Ohio Joe]

26. He went down hard...

It did not look like he even tried to get his arms out to protect himself and does not appear to recognize just how hard he hit. Looks pretty much blackout drunk to me.

[ForgedCrank]

31. That could be any one of

a thousand things ranging from low blood pressure to drunk.
When I was a younger person, I used to get dizzy and near pass out if I stood up too fast. I would have to sit down real quick and wait for it to pass so I didn't' fall over and bust my gourd. I don't know what caused it and I never told my parents or anything, but it would happen almost daily. Eventually, it just stopped happening. So this could be dang near anything.
My first guess would be drug use, either illicit or prescribed.

[stopdiggin]

35. could be a lot of things

including the explanation given by the kid and his family. I'm sort of doubting the 'drugs or alcohol' theme - kinda' looks like the kid went out on his feet. Not a characteristic reaction, unless he'd just pulled a needle out of a vein.

[ForgedCrank]

36. Yea, agreed. But, if you are like

most of us, you've been sitting down for a bit and maybe took in a little too much of "something" and didn't realize it until about 5 seconds after you stood up. hehe
But yea, it's only interesting to speculate, this could be damn near anything. Seemed like whatever caused it, it came out of nowhere and came on hard. People normally don't go down completely limp like that (not even making an attempt to brace themselves) if you are just drunk as hell.
Really odd.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

38. That sounds like orthostatic hypotension.

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When I was a younger person, I used to get dizzy and near pass out if I stood up too fast.

I used to experience that a lot.

Full disclosure: I am not a doc, and this is not a diagnosis.

https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Disorders/All-Disorders/Orthostatic-Hypotension-Information-Page

https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/orthostatic-hypotension/

[róisín_dubh]

45. Same.

Damn near just happened to me this morning when I got out of bed and then bent over to pick something up.

[viva la]

33. Since when can a 14 year old work at a restaurant?

These parents seem really lax.

[iemanja]

34. Since forever

In many states, including my own of Minnesota.

[viva la]

47. Really? When I was that age

You could only work in your own family's restaurant until you were 16. Dangerous workplaces, restaurant kitchens. Plus the cooks were bad influences, lol. And alcohol might be served l, horrors.

[iemanja]

49. Here is a diagram with the legal age for various states

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/minimum-working-age-by-state

[viva la]

53. All those that have an 18 year old age!

Wow. Maybe they have no fast food places?

[iemanja]

57. No they don't.

Only the dark blue are age 18. The light blue are 13, and the shades slightly darker are 14 and 15. The gray are younger than 13.

[viva la]

58. I was just surprised that any at all have an 18 limit.

I wonder if there was a rationale that it made more jobs for adults.

[AngryOldDem]

42. They can.

Busing tables, washing dishes, etc. Can’t run deep fryers, etc., though.

Used to be you had to get a work permit also signed off on by the parents, employer, and school, but youth labor laws (at least in my state) aren’t as strict as they once were so I’m not sure if those are around anymore.

[xmas74]

56. Things have changed considerably the past few years

When I was in high school it wasn't easy getting a restaurant job under 16 but farmwork was plentiful. Nowadays the local Culver's and Burger King are hiring at 14,claiming there aren't enough interested applicants.

[LuckyCharms]

62. New York State is age 14 except for certain occupations like

factory work.

Also, a 14 year old cannot be a server in a restaurant that serves alcohol.

I'm in New York State. Got my working papers when I was 14. At that age, I worked for a shoe shining business, a bridal shop, and a pharmacy.

[AngryOldDem]

41. Who knows.

But the bottom line is, this kid has been fucked up for a good long while. Most likely since birth.

[Kaleva]

44. The kid has been assigned a public defender. The parents have hired their own lawyer

[JanMichael]

46. That sort of sums up the relationship. nt

[AngryOldDem]

48. The $40,000 ATM withdrawal did it for me.

Pretty clear they were willing to let him take the entire fall for this.

Family of the Year.

[iemanja]

50. $4000

was the total amount of withdrawals.

[BlackSkimmer]

54. I don't think any ATM gives out 40 grand lol.

It was 4,000, which still must have taken a few trips.

[inthewind21]

59. I guarantee

There is NO ATM that will dispense $40,000.00. 5K is common and can be a one and done thing. Just depends on your bank.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

55. This kid had the deck stacked against him from birth.

[BlackSkimmer]

60. It's so horrible and tragic. Those words are nothing to what it is.

Seeing that video really blows my mind.

I wonder if we’ll hear more from the older boy, who left the “family” recently.

[BigDemVoter]

61. Drunk or high, and I'm sure his goddamned parents were aware of it too.

They probably thought it was cute and funny.