The fact that Nunes is quitting the House is important.

[MineralMan]

He knows he would lose in 2022, due to redistricting in California. Personally, I think he would lose even without that. He knows that, so he is taking a job with the Trumpists. Otherwise, he would be unemployable, it seems to me.

I see this as an optimistic thing for the 2022 election and the 2024 election. I believe the January 6 committee is going to blow the lid off the conspiracy and put all the hard-core Trumpers in an untenable position.

Timing will matter, as will Democrats finding candidates in swing districts who can convince the voters in those districts that they are a better choice than some rabid Trumper. The committee needs to issue its report in the Summer of 2022, far enough ahead of the election to make that the story of the rest of the year.

I believe that will happen.

Just my opinion, as always.

[PortTack]

1. Thx for posting. Nice to see a + post that will probably turn out as you described

Last edited Tue Dec 7, 2021, 01:43 PM - Edit history (1)

[MineralMan]

3. Well, I'm tired of doom and gloom. I want to inject some

optimistic ways of looking at things, based on a different point of view on current events.

[CrackityJones75]

23. Appreciated.

[MineralMan]

25. Thanks!

[secondwind]

26. Thank you ☺️

[IrishAfricanAmerican]

35. It's appreciated.

Thanks.

[CaptainTruth]

38. Thanks. We can do well in 2022 & 2024 if we work our butts off.

I see some folks who seem to think once we "take" Congress & the White House the job is done & they can relax. NO. We can never relax. We need to approach every election with fire & fervor, it's the only way we will win.

[lastlib]

50. Not just every election--EVERY DAY!

The forces of evil aren't resting--we need only to look at election law changes in GA, TX, and all the others to know that.

[PortTack]

84. Here's a piece posted on 538..doesn't appear as dark as the gqp,would lead us to believe

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/redistricting-2022-maps/?cid=rrpromo

[Jon King]

80. Its not doom and gloom if its reality.

Redistricting, inflation, history, great Repug lie messaging on radical teaching in schools, crime, Russia and China threats. Thats what will decide the swing districts, this 1-6 stuff will not change even a single swing vote. No one cares but us.

[PortTack]

83. Yes...we need to be aware, but every time a doom and gloom story goes viral as the one in the

Atlantic did yesterday, have no doubt that all of trump world rejoices!

This is a time for action, donate, volunteer, make calls, but never ever give in.

[ybbor]

89. Thank you sir!

We need to work hard and visualize victory in order for it to become truth.

[Elessar Zappa]

2. I think so too.

I think we’ll see some serious indictments soon. Maybe not Trump himself but definitely some of his associates.

[MineralMan]

6. Yes, I think there are some upcoming surprises

for Trumpers.

[Jon King]

78. When will we realize no one cares about this stuff but us?

Geez, Biden and Dems approval among suburban voters and swing voters is gone. Its inflation, crime, China/Russia threat, the lies about what is being taught in schools.

No one but us cares who is indicted or anything at all about 1-6 committee.

[MineralMan]

87. Who is the "us" of which you speak?

You are telling us of your personal pessimism. That's not helpful in any way.

Keep trying to convince us, though. There's a good lad...

[druidity33]

95. Democrats? Who's the "us" you refer to? nt.

[hlthe2b]

4. A positive take on our current situation... Appreciated.

[MineralMan]

12. Well, that's how I'm seeing it.

I've never been one to give in to pessimism.

[mcar]

5. Thanks for the positive post

It helps, with all the doom and gloom I'm seeing here lately.

I agree. The reports of the Democrats' demise is a bit premature, IMO.

[MineralMan]

8. Well, some of the doom and gloom is just pessimism.

However, there are other sources of doom and gloom writings that are wishful thinking by pretenders, I'm certain. There are many signs that things are going to break our way in the coming few months, I think.

[uponit7771]

7. Without the proper message mechanics every GQP pol can eat puppy guts on live TV and they wont

... lose a voter.

Right now we're still hitting republicans fist with our faces message wise, I don't see that changing in 22.

Putin's Whore killed 500,000 people by lying about the lethality of a virus and we lost more jobs faster than even in the Great Depression because of his lax reaction to the bug and he still got 77 million votes in a loss.

We wont have a Great Depression job losses and 500k dead people in 22 I don't see how "they're traitors to what America stands for" being the vote mover / motivator without adequate message mechanics behind it.

[MineralMan]

10. And I think your pessimistic view is ill-considered.

How about that?

[uponit7771]

14. Reality isn't pessimism and neither is truth, stop it. Out poor message mechanics needs to be ...

... addressed and its not going to happen if we ran 200 JFKs for congress.

We've always had quality candidates, per last years post mortem(S) we have NOT always had quality messages behind them.

Those post mortems are data we can address in an objective matter.

[MineralMan]

16. Well, the message you're sending will not help.

If what you're saying is the message that is sent, we will lose. We need a positive message strategy. Yours is not that.

[uponit7771]

24. "we need a positive message strategy" agreed, we copy GQP message mechanics and not their

... message using J6 report as the hammer.

Right now we're getting our asses kicked by message mechanics and even our own post mortems point to that.

[CrackityJones75]

28. Exactly what are our poor messaging mechanics?

I hear this all the time.

[uponit7771]

37. GQP defines fighting ground first and floods mediums with it, that simple.

Miami Dade 2020 is the extreme example of this where the GQP defined us as socialist in Community's of Color and Putin's Whore gained 200k more voters in Miami Dade because we didn't define ourselves first or left that mediums empty despite dems in those area's screaming bloody murder.

Nationwide similar, DEMOCRATIC PARTY post mortem data points to weak brand definition down ballot my mission this year is to get people focused on hitting them hard first by branding them and us fighting on our grounds not there's.

The VA post mortem is 100% this also, TM didn't flood mediums with the message that Youngkin as a Trumper until late allowing Youngkin to define himself.

We need to hit first and hit hard and not let up, we have quality candidate we need the quality message mechanics behind them

[CaptainTruth]

47. What you're saying is correct. I wish more folks could see it.

Millions of average voters, the ones who determine most elections due to their sheer numbers, simply believe what they're told. When all they hear is that Democrats are socialists & socialism is evil, & Democrats want open borders that let "illegals" stream in, & Democrats want to brainwash your children with Critical Race Theory & CRT is racist because it teaches that white people are bad etc etc etc...

When that's all they hear, that's what they vote on. Where is the Democratic counter-messaging on those points & all the other lies the Right constantly spreads?

As a party we seem to take the position that if we ignore the lies they will go away, but in reality if we ignore the lies they will only spread further & grow stronger & turn more voters against Democrats.

[uponit7771]

48. +1, "..simply believe what they're told" and its simple avg voters don't go on DU / FreepVile for

... information before voting.

The GQP has the advantage of not having to tell the truth that's why we have to tell the truth about them FIRST and make it hard hitting so they can't double down on the stupid and deflect with lies.

Trump did this to a T but not every GQP is a master at it like he was.

We can say "that's a bold faced lie and they know it" tell the truth and then put them back on defense.

We can win with adequate message mechanics.


Here are some of the post mortems I'm speaking of (links)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/01/25/democrats-need-2020-autopsy-who-voted-against-them-why-column/4217998001/

https://www.yahoo.com/now/democratic-post-mortem-argues-major-201211048.html

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/557073-democratic-advocacy-groups-conclude-party-lacked-core-economic-pandemic

We got our buts kicked in CoC because we didn't define ourselves first and often

[CrackityJones75]

52. I disagree on some things.

I don’t think the GOP floods anything so much as the media allows it. I think you presume that we have the same access to media that the GOP does and therefore we are doing something wrong. In my opinion we simply are not given access to the media. I have heard Thom Hartmann talk about this frequently and I believe it to be true. When the media is mostly corporate owned they are going to cover those most friendly to their interests.

Our message has always been bread and butter issues and also a lot of social issues that most people agree with. Our ideas on healthcare are wildly popular as are many others. But when the gate keepers of messaging only allow GOP talking poi ts how is that the fault of our message?

[uponit7771]

58. TV medium is 1/3 of what they use they use radio (Miami Dade), ground pounding, internet ...

... and rallies to decent effect.

We need to flood M$M more also with same message, we don't ... BBB is a great example of message fiz.

We do NOT use radio in Communities of Color like they did in 2020 effecitively and a lot of times not at all.

[CrackityJones75]

59. Again how are you going to flood M$M?

You can say you want to so it but you cannot make it happen. We complain ALL THE TIME here about the things we see on M$M. That isn’t an accident or happenstance. It is because that is what THEY choose to broadcast. How do you propose to change that?

[uponit7771]

63. Radio by buying every slot for 3 weeks like the GQP did in communities of color like Miami Dade ...

... Local TV?

buy every slot like Youngkin did after TM didn't want to define him.

That part is the simple, low hanging fruit

[CrackityJones75]

65. Which radio channels?

How many liberal or progressive radio channels are out there? Not many. And how many are also corporate owned.

I like your ideas I just don’t think there is a way to make it happen in the way you think it just should. There is nothing wrong with our message or platform. It is fucking awesome. The problem is amplifying that message. For Christs sake we had people carrying the Nazi flag in our capitol this weekend. And we are talking about our message. LOL!

[uponit7771]

66. Communities of color, they're not even a blip were I am at ... we don't need rural stations and the

... GQP showed that in 2020.

How many liberal or progressive radio channels are out there?

The GQP didn't need a "MAGA Station" for Miami Dade just flood popular channels around the time of the elections after the primaries and that's all they did.

They also hit local urban TV stations hard in South Texas, we can do that too but didn't

We have mediums to reach communities of color and haven't been using them, period

[CrackityJones75]

67. Huh?

What radio stations are you going to broadcast on? Give me the call letters. I want to know which radio stations you think we are going to just put our message on. Do you understand that there are a ton of right wing owned radio stations that are reaching out to Latino people? But we should flood those right wing radio stations with our message? Somehow? Again HOW?

The problem isn’t the damn message! It is that we don’t control and own anyway to get the message out. So while I agree we have an amplification problem I do not see how we can use the things that our enemies control.

[uponit7771]

68. KPRS, KMJK are just two where I'm at, I don't understand this question. These are OBVIOUS stations

... to advertise our message where I'm from

The multiple post mortems ... DO ...point to democratic messaging even with voters.

[CrackityJones75]

71. Awesome! That's two.

Now let’s take a look at I

[uponit7771]

73. That's 200 mostly urban stations not just 2 and that's not counting urban TV and black cable ...

... and ALL the LatinX stations are not owned by wingerville in the suburbs we just don't flood them.

No, Miami Dade was horrid message mechanics and a text book example of what NOT to do.

There are message mediums that we need to flood all of them we can and in 2020 we did NOT do that.

[CrackityJones75]

77. Ok and what is the format of those stations?

Are they interested in political advertisements? Do they host political commentary? Do we assume they want to host political commentary because they are black owned? They are a business depending on the stations format they may not be interested in delving i to that. Meanwhile you have the others that ARE very interested in political commentary.

And what would you change about our message? Or how should we message differently?

[uponit7771]

79. " Are they interested in political advertisements?" YES ! "Do they host political commentary?" YES!

The fact you're even asking about makes my point, those message media's are baron for DNC messaging and like MD they could be flooded with GQP money and messages.

We need to get there first

[uponit7771]

81. " Are they interested in political advertisements?" YES ! "Do they host political commentary?" YES!

The fact you're even asking about makes my point, those message media's are baron for DNC messaging and like MD they could be flooded with GQP money and messages.

We need to get there first and flood a messaging medium with our message ... including TV like the GQP did in Miami Dade.

And what would you change about our message? Or how should we message differently?

Message differently, our messages are par our messaging mechanics are non existent locally.

there are a couple of post mortem opinions that express the frustration that we were non existent in LatinX Communities of Color nationwide.

We don't need to saturate rural stations when we haven't saturated what's close to urban and suburban radio and TV where they count

Look at what Stacy Abrahms was able to do with less than a 100th of DNC resources in ATL

[secondwind]

29. If we won in 2020, we can win again.

Even with those 70 million nut jobs.

[uponit7771]

39. We lost seats in congress and multiple post mortems pointed to bland or undefined branding or

... messaging down ballot.

We do not need to repeat 2020 down ballot in 22.

[Beetwasher.]

9. Nunes Knows What He and Others are Guilty of and He Knows It's Coming Out

The 1/6 committee is scaring the shit out of him and presumably others.

[MineralMan]

11. Yes. That's my take on his resignation announcement.

He's seeking a safe haven in advance of impending political doom for himself. He will not be alone.

[jmbar2]

19. If he's seeking a safe haven with a Trump business

I've got a bridge to sell him.

[MineralMan]

21. Yes, exactly. Devin Nunes is not the brightest of men.

[choie]

41. It's a quid pro quo

You shut up about January 6th and Russiagate and I’ll give you a high paying job. It’s so obvious .

[MineralMan]

42. Won't work, though.

That's what I think.

[Hekate]

69. Heh. Do you think the Man from Bakersfield will follow him? I'd love to see McCarthy leave. nt

[CrispyQ]

13. I totally agree with these two statements:

1. Democrats finding candidates in swing districts who can convince the voters in those districts that they are a better choice than some rabid Trumper.

2. The committee needs to issue its report in the Summer of 2022, far enough ahead of the election to make that the story of the rest of the year.

[MineralMan]

22. Yes, those are key.

[WA-03 Democrat]

15. Some times it is hard to focus on what they do rather than

What they say or how they feel. Devin, out of the blue quitting a closely contested House of Representatives is huge news. Even if it is for the most dreamiest job ever with Trump Twitter, why would you give up a solid Trump congressional vote?

[MineralMan]

17. Yes. For Devin Nunes to announce this right now

is an indication of just how precarious he sees his position as being. Now, going to work for Trump's propaganda media campaign is a stupid choice, it seems to me, but that's the choice he's making. Given Trump's complete lack of loyalty to his lackeys, Nunes could be out of a job before he even gets started, I think.

[Wounded Bear]

30. Trump's media empire is already under investigation for illegal fundraising...

according to what I heard on Rachel Maddow this week.

[MineralMan]

32. Yes. There are some fresh stories, too, about

the funding for Trump's new social media venture, which Nunes is supposed to head up. Love it!

[Bev54]

18. It will only be a matter of time when he is charged with a crime

working for Trump. He will be out of a job and into a prison, they never ever learn ETTD. He should just look at what is happening with Meadows and those around Trump. Absolutely can't wait to see the back end of him.

[MineralMan]

20. Some of those cretins seem to actually believe that Trump will rise again,

and save them from such things. Personally, I expect Trump to collapse entirely within a year or so. He could be indicted for several things between now and November 2022. I expect that he will be, frankly.

We do not know what the DOJ is doing in that regard. They are keeping things close to their vests over there. A lot depends on timing, and now is not quite the time, yet.

[Wounded Bear]

36. Especially have to like the ones saying JFK is coming back to reinstate trump...

[Wounded Bear]

27. On another note...

Rep Cheney (I hate that name ) has stated that public hearings are coming. We start those in early spring/summer, it could have an effect on the fall election season to be sure. We do need to perp walk Bannon and the other scofflaws who are defying subpoenas, too.

I still want to see hours and hours of 1/6 video in campaign ads saying simply, "This is what the repub party represents and defends."

[MineralMan]

31. Absolutely. Public hearings will help make the treachery of

the GQP the news of the day. Timing is everything. It is too early for that to have maximum impact right now.

However, things like Devin Nunes announcing his upcoming resignation are clear signs that the Trumpers are scared. And well they might be, I think.

[Haggard Celine]

33. For Trump to be hiring a boss for his media company,

if you want to call it that, tells me that he's getting ready to use as much of the reach he has to defend himself. If he's going to all that trouble, I can't help but think he knows something is coming. Maybe there's a grand jury convened to consider an indictment. I think the next few months are going to be interesting. I hope the reason Democrats are being silent right now is that they want to save their outrage for the coming revelations. From what I've heard from Liz Cheney and the way she tells little bits of the things she knows, I think the hearings are going to cause an explosive reaction, figuratively speaking.

[MineralMan]

34. Timing. December is a terrible time to reveal big things.

People aren't paying attention. Expect the big announcements to come after the first of the year. Timing is everything with huge stories like the ones I think we are going to see.

[Bettie]

40. I hope so

and I also, weirdly enough, do think that we will do well in 2022.

We'll have to work for it and I'd like to see some people who matter (by that I mean not us random normal people) snapping back at them and calling lies out for what they are instead of using soft language, but I still think we can do it.

[obamanut2012]

43. I tend to agree with you, MM

[MineralMan]

44. Thanks. I think people will begin to believe it

after the first part of 2022. Public hearings by the committee will help drive the point home to the public.

Right now, people are distracted by end of year stuff. It's too early to begin a hard-edged attack on the Trump era and January 6. People aren't paying close attention, with Christmas and COVID-19 gobbling up everyone's thoughts.

Further, it's too early to begin the 2022 election process. Nobody's thinking about that, except people like Nunes, who will be losing his phony bologna job, and is bailing early to take a new job with Trump. He'll be sorry about that, too, no doubt, before long. Trump kicks his minions to the curb with great frequency.

[ancianita]

45. Thanks for your post.

Especially the point about the importance of timing the results of Democrats' investigations.

[MineralMan]

46. My pleasure!

[JustAnotherGen]

49. I tend to agree with you but Caveat

We MUST get voting rights secured NOW. All of the 'tough redistricting' in the world means nothing if the states are allowed to get away with this mass disenfranchisement.

[uponit7771]

51. +1, Moscow Mitch wont give a damn about the filibuster once he can further enact vote denial and

... voter nullification while he's in congress.

[JustAnotherGen]

60. Exactly -

Texas kicks off midterm primaries on March 1.

We are out of time. Just shove through BBB and get onto Voting Rights. Call Chuck every day if you can.

[uponit7771]

62. +1

[AllaN01Bear]

53. now if the fellow by the name of mcklintock in my district would go bye bye id feel grand .

[Escurumbele]

54. You cannot imagine how I hope you are 100% correct with your opinion.

The country must get rid of all the traitors, they need to be out of office and jailed.

[crud]

55. Why this worries me

I worry that he thinks that congress is a dead end job for a different reason...they will be irrelevant and just a rubber stamp to the coming fascist regime. The real power will be in the propaganda arm of the operation . He wants to head that up. (he also has a personal reason for wanting to control social media). I hope I'm wrong. I don't want to consider the worst case scenario but we really have to take these fuckers seriously...they want a dictatorship and they think it is doable.

[KS Toronado]

56. I've been saying for a long time that we'll win big in 2022

With the Jan 6th committee getting ready to show how evil Rs are, they'll be disorganized. Plus getting
the voting rights act passed will help us. Killing the electoral college would also help.

[muriel_volestrangler]

57. Things are positive in Democrat-controlled states, such as California

because they don't have Republicans forcing through bills restricting voting, or gerrymandering the districts to give Republican majorities in the House or State houses. Where such things are happening, it's a big problem.

[jaxexpat]

61. Kudos MM, that's a legitimate and believable, if not optimistic, take.

Seems to me that Nunez is taking a route which is and will continue to be popular with those bad actors who try to sell themselves based on the profitability of their own past bad behavior, their connections to the previous administration. Many of Trumps allies will have a ZERO political career for the foreseeable future. Some may even rendezvous with justice. I'm thinking that "joining" Trumps cadre of misfits and getting in on the not-so-long shot of placement at the crest of a new wave of outrage may seem safest for some of the more exposed characters. In any case, some, apparently, are actively seeking shelter neath TFG's wings. Unemployable politicians, especially those who don't want to work for a living, seem to never be in short supply.

We are greatly dependent on the House Commitee's work. Most important is its presentation as irrefutably legitimate proof of feloniously illegal, prosecutable and punishable behavior. It's the sliver of uncommitted voters, 5%-15%, who may (or may not) turn out at the midterm elections that will portend the future. Their motivations to action, the urgencies of seeing their suspicions affirmed, will provide the momentum necessary for them to remove the cancer of neo-conservatism from our future. That impetus, the driving force, lies in the vehicle of our media. We must find means of pressuring this media to draw clear lines, to stop fabricating the pretense of both-siderism and supporting their fiscal addiction for drama at all costs and to tell the simple truth. The revolution must be within "the free press", our media. A war for which the prize will be our foundational freedom of speech could be just around the corner but many won't even know about it until it's repeated ad-nauseum in the news.

[PJMcK]

64. May your optimism be infectious!

It's great to read something other than "the Democrats are doomed!"

Have a good afternoon, MM.

[Hekate]

70. Fingers crossed, MM

[SheltieLover]

74. I had same feeling when I saw this story

Perhaps, like corrupt judges, he is hoping his resignation will make all the bad stuff go away.

[KPN]

75. Yes, and definitely not late summer. The earlier, the better. Just before

July 4th would be the perfect time. July 2nd or 3rd.

[Jon King]

76. Swing voters could not care less, they care about inflation.

Seriously, no one but us gives a rats tushy about this, they just don't. Swing voters care about inflation, their personal economy, perception if we are in a good place on crime and safe in the world, if their kids are going to get radical ideas forced on them in school.

This committee will not change even 1 vote for 2022. Reality is if inflation keeps up Dems are doomed and it turns around we have a small chance depending on redistricting and if candidates can fight off this well done even if false messaging on schools that Repugs pulled off in the VA suburbs. Biden and Dems are very down with suburban voters at this point. Repugs have messaged crime and China/Russia danger very well. They have messaged to suburban parents that their kids will be taught radical ideas on gender and race.

[peppertree]

82. +1

Sad but true.

[MineralMan]

86. Well, I can't say that I agree with you. Sorry.

[Deep State Witch]

85. He's Leaving

To spend more time with his cow.

[liberalla]

88. God, I hope you're right. I like to think there's a big plan in the works.

I like your post because it's optimistic. Something must be going on that we're not privy to. I just hope you're right!

[FakeNoose]

90. You're so right - it's a great opportunity for California Democrats

Nunes would have lost and it's a great chance to flip an important seat!

Come on CA Democrats! Here's a great opportunity, and even Nunes knows it.

[Blue Owl]

91. He's getting cushy with Squishy

[Ford_Prefect]

92. IMO he's looking to dodge FBI questions about speaking directly with the Russians.

He hasn't been interested in Congressional activity for some time and wants a new, well paid hobby.

[Demovictory9]

93. thank u for positive post

[Scruffy1]

94. I share your optimism but..................

I'm thinking that what is going on is that he is leaving is to avoid going to jail. Call me cynical (i am) but there is a long standing tradition of what you have done in office is ignored once you leave. I'm thinking Tom DeLay.