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everyonematters

(3,435 posts)
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 06:47 AM Dec 2021

Similarities between the NAZIS in the 1920s and 30s , and the current state off the Republican Party

It is not considered politically correct to compare anyone to NAZIS. but there are eerie similarities between the NAZIS during the 1920s and 30s, and the current state of the Republican Party. In 1929. Hitler and his followers tried to overtake the democratic Weimar government by force, in what is called the Beer Hall Putsch. It failed. Once Hitler was released from jail, they changed tactics where they would attempt to gain power thru politics. They became a major political player , but never actually won an election. They gained absolute political power thru deceit and manipulation of the public while demolishing anything that resembled democracy. The Nazis blamed all of the countries problems on the Jews.

On Jan 6th Trump and his minions tried to subvert the legitimate election of Joe Biden by force with the attack on the nations capitol. Currently the Republicans have trouble winning the popular votes on national elections. They are trying to make up for this by voter suppression and other manipulations of state laws. They use severe gerrymandering to gain power in state and federal legislatures. Misinformation is spread thru right wing media sources to deceive there gullible followers. They blame all of the nations problems on inner city blacks and brown illegal immigrants.

It is clear to anyone who objectively studies Trump, that both him and Hitler are or were men of no conscience, who would tell any lie that is to there own benefit. That is why they are both so dangerous.

The mainstream media needs to be encouraged to pick up on ths.


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Similarities between the NAZIS in the 1920s and 30s , and the current state off the Republican Party (Original Post) everyonematters Dec 2021 OP
Howard Hughes and Dupont were dominant then. 5X Dec 2021 #1
+1 ancianita Dec 2021 #17
Recommend. When Godwin's Decree became the PC Law of the internet, Roisin Ni Fiachra Dec 2021 #2
If they are similar, the time to go into hiding or leave the country is now. Kaleva Dec 2021 #3
Theres little difference between republicans and Nazis liberal N proud Dec 2021 #4
Are you in fear of your life? Planning on leaving the country? Kaleva Dec 2021 #6
Yes I'm not white and of course not, more effective to defeat them from the inside uponit7771 Dec 2021 #15
Theres Busterscruggs Dec 2021 #9
Maybe not eerie similiarities but very natural ones? Hortensis Dec 2021 #5
About 20% of the adult population watches the news Kaleva Dec 2021 #7
Agree it would be better if they did, in spite of the bias. Hortensis Dec 2021 #8
MSM is part of the problem, most particularly cable news stations, with few exceptiions. Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #10
Hardly anyone watches cable news Kaleva Dec 2021 #11
Difference? Let's see I'm not an historian, NAZIS expert, or WW II buff but without reservations... usaf-vet Dec 2021 #12
If tRump went golfing Wednesdays Dec 2021 #22
The beer hall putsch did not occur in 1929 Red Pest Dec 2021 #13
Praise of rural "rootedness" to community and soil; contempt for urban diversity greenjar_01 Dec 2021 #14
Perfect comment kwolf68 Dec 2021 #24
Fascist policing The Jungle 1 Dec 2021 #16
Early in the Trump campaign of 2016... ewagner Dec 2021 #18
Unless Mien Kampf comes with pictures I doubt it kwolf68 Dec 2021 #25
It's also a huge problem that the govt underestimates Americans with NO internet ancianita Dec 2021 #19
The voting rights act, if not passed and the current SCOTUS not expanded? BeckyDem Dec 2021 #20
Things are always more complex than they sound Johnny2X2X Dec 2021 #21
Yes I agree that there are many similarities ... Tennessee Hillbilly Dec 2021 #23
Tons of similarities kwolf68 Dec 2021 #26

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
2. Recommend. When Godwin's Decree became the PC Law of the internet,
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 07:07 AM
Dec 2021

it was another factor that aided the normalization of fascism in the US.

Many folks could plainly see that the Emperor was buck naked, but it wasn't PC to say so.

Kaleva

(36,359 posts)
3. If they are similar, the time to go into hiding or leave the country is now.
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 07:10 AM
Dec 2021

History shows that very bad things happened to those who opposed the Nazis and stayed.

I wouldn't even be posting my views on politics and current evens on the internet if I thought they are similar. Du could be hacked and my name and location discovered opening me up to severe harassment, tires slashed, house burned or even gunned down in the street.

But if one doesn't think they are similar, then there's no reason to go into hiding, to stop posting on the internet or leaving the country.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
5. Maybe not eerie similiarities but very natural ones?
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 07:19 AM
Dec 2021

The situations have many differences, but those behaving very similarly are the same kind of people.

On the good side, much of the media has done a lot more than pick it up. It's been and is being discussed explicitly in print a great deal and on political cable, podcasts, etc. Shortly after tRump was sworn in, the WaPo changed their slogan, at the top of the front page every day, to "Democracy Dies in Darkness."

The "evening news," though, is a different matter. Close to half of all Americans who vote (the ones who matter) vote Republican despite all that party is doing, both ardent Nazi types and all the rest it couldn't happen without, including an authoritarian/populist fringe on the left.

So do most of the MSM management who matter. They work to empower Republicans and depower Democrats. The same ones who succeeded so disastrously in 2016 are for the most part still there, such as the NYT's editor in chief, Dean Baquet. They don't want tRump, but getting and holding power is crucial, and at this time the center of power on the right is tRump because today's Nazis have chosen him.

So best not wait for CBS, ABC and NBC to be telling half their audiences they're becoming Nazis, even if it were news.

Kaleva

(36,359 posts)
7. About 20% of the adult population watches the news
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 07:22 AM
Dec 2021

maybe a bigger problem is too few adults watch CBS, NBC or ABC.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. Agree it would be better if they did, in spite of the bias.
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 07:26 AM
Dec 2021

It's harder to put over lies on people with even a modest fund of knowledge to run them by.

Kaleva

(36,359 posts)
11. Hardly anyone watches cable news
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 07:56 AM
Dec 2021

The percentage of adults in the US who watch cable news is in the single digits. That's FOX, CNN, MSNC combined.

usaf-vet

(6,215 posts)
12. Difference? Let's see I'm not an historian, NAZIS expert, or WW II buff but without reservations...
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 08:18 AM
Dec 2021

..... I would say absolutely NO difference other than language.

In fact, I hope at some point their history foretells a perfect ending for us as well. Hitler found a bunker retreated to the bunker and never came out. Hopefully, TFG here will follow the same path. Find a bunker retreat and never come out.

Just for clarity's sake, I don't mean a sand trap (aka bunker).

Red Pest

(288 posts)
13. The beer hall putsch did not occur in 1929
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 08:58 AM
Dec 2021

It occurred on November 8-9, 1923. Hitler was tried and convicted of treason. He was in prison for only 9 months, during which he dictated the text of Mein Kampf to Rudolph Hess and Emil Maurice. He was released from prison on December 20, 1924.

How he and the Nazi party gained power is clearly has strong similarities to what is happening now.

 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
14. Praise of rural "rootedness" to community and soil; contempt for urban diversity
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 09:07 AM
Dec 2021

Male self-mastery as prevailing trope (see, for instance, Jordan Peterson).

National Socialism was cultural before it was political. It was volkisch cultural practice.

The primary difference between Hitler and Trump is that Hitler had ideological commitments - he actually believed in volkisch cultural precepts and National Socialist political platforms. Trump has no actual beliefs. He is a man of pure self-regard.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
16. Fascist policing
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 09:22 AM
Dec 2021

Ground level push back would be to correct the current fascist policing in this country.
Qualified immunity needs to be ended. Two states have made corrections. However this is federal law.
Community over site must be put is place. Police have demonstrated they will not police themselves.
Fascist love strong policing.
Whole cross sections of our society live in fear of police. That is wrong in a free society.

Let's go SCOTUS!

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
18. Early in the Trump campaign of 2016...
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 09:51 AM
Dec 2021

There were posts about Trump reading either Mien Kemp or speeches of Adolph Hitler.

Were any of them true?

I finally got a copy of The Rise and Fall of the 3rd Reich and find it to be very useful as an "encyclopedia" of the Nazi regime as opposed to a synopsis. Truthfully, it scares the hell out of me because of the similarities of the early days of the 3rd Reich and 2021 America.

The most frightening aspect of the similarities is that the followers of Trump KNOW what they're doing (e.g. destroying the democratic republic) and they don't care. They know Trump and his administration are corrupt and, again, they don't care. They know all the "QAnon" stuff is bullshit but, again, they don't care.

There is a relatively small group of MAGATs who believe even the most outrageous of lies and conspiracy theories. They are the useful foot soldiers of the "Trump Reich" and they are being used just as callously as were the brown shirts and Hitler youth of the late 20s and early 30s.

The similarities are too plentiful and correct to ignore.

ancianita

(36,152 posts)
19. It's also a huge problem that the govt underestimates Americans with NO internet
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 09:54 AM
Dec 2021

or wireless access -- government estimates are from 21 to 27 million.

Other entities say the lack of broadband and wireless access is double that.

Note all the battlegrounds on this list.

%3Ffit%3Dscale


Last year, the Federal Communications Commission estimated that 21.3 million Americans lacked broadband access in 2019 and a new report now estimates the actual number is twice as high. The research comes from BroadbandNow, a company that helps consumers find out if high-speed internet is available where they live. They manually checked availability at more than 11,000 addresses using FCC Form 477 data and they estimate that the true number of unconnected people actually stands at 42.8 million.

The primary reason for the disparity between the reports is a flaw in FCC Form 477 reporting, according to BroadbandNow. The company states that if an ISP offers service to at least one household in a census block, then the Federal Communications Commission counts that entire block as being covered by that provider. Manually checking internet availability for each address therefore results in a more accurate estimation of broadband connections.

The report highlights the U.S. states where the most people remain unserved by speedy internet. Texas comes first with an estimated total of 4.17 million disconnected people while California and Arizona come second and third with 2.35 and 1.84 million respectively. Unsurprisingly, smaller states tend to have a higher connection rate and the lowest numbers of people lacking broadband access were recorded in Rhode Island and Connecticut.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/02/07/report-42-million-americans-do-not-have-access-to-broadband-infographic/?sh=4668bd29b12a

BeckyDem

(8,361 posts)
20. The voting rights act, if not passed and the current SCOTUS not expanded?
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 10:06 AM
Dec 2021

Politics will take on a very different look than what we see now.

Johnny2X2X

(19,178 posts)
21. Things are always more complex than they sound
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 10:07 AM
Dec 2021

The Nazis didn't come to power without appealing to enough people. They didn't just start out saying, "We're the evil party, come be evil with us." They claimed patriotism and a restoration of Germany to its god given previous glory. They claimed to be freedom fighters. And when they started invading countries they claimed to be doing it for their own protection and to restore peace.

You have a post truth country here right now, one where 35% of the citizens live in a total fantasy land. The conditions are ripe to end our democracy and that's exactly what Republicans are trying to do. How far they take it isn't known, but history as a guide shows that whenever you have these conditions and a party preaching hate and paranoia comes to power, and they have a scapegoat to point their finger at, atrocities occur. It could happen here.

23. Yes I agree that there are many similarities ...
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 11:57 AM
Dec 2021

between the Nazis and the current repug party. I also agree that the outlook is scary.

But I would like to point out that there are significant differences between trump and hitler:

Hitler was a lot younger than trump is. Hitler was a soldier in WW1, was wounded twice, and won an iron cross. Trump is a draft-dodger. Hitler came from the lower classes of society, trump didn't. Trump is a coward and a buffoon, hitler was neither.

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
26. Tons of similarities
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 12:19 PM
Dec 2021


-Overt Nationalism
-Attempt to overthrow Democracy
-Authoritarian madness
-Racist/Anti Semitic
-Homophobic
-Persecution of opponents, "the left", legalization of persecution or worse
-Attempt to control the arts, academic and media. Information must be "controlled". You can control the information as well by reciting lies of propaganda stating arts/intelligentsia/media lack credibility. Don't believe them, they are against our nation, thus ideas don't make it to the populace
-Total lack of faith in freedom of speech, varying ideas as it could lead to "progressive thought"



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