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iemanja

(53,038 posts)
Wed Dec 8, 2021, 11:51 PM Dec 2021

Transgender people can't be baptized unless they've 'repented,' Catholic diocese says

A Catholic diocese in Michigan has instructed its pastors to deny baptism, confirmation and other sacraments to transgender and nonbinary people unless they have “repented” — possibly the first diocese in the United States to issue such a sweeping policy about those who identify with a gender other than their sex assigned at birth.

The guidance issued by the Diocese of Marquette also stipulates that transgender people may not receive Communion, which Catholics believe is the literal body and blood of Jesus Christ. In most circumstances, they cannot receive the anointing of the sick, which is meant to provide physical or spiritual healing to those who are seriously ill. The guidance was issued in July but only recently sparked a debate after a prominent priest and advocate for LGBTQ Catholics shared it on Twitter.

“The experience of incongruence in one’s sexual identity is not sinful if it does not arise from the person’s free will, nor would it stand in the way of Christian Initiation,” reads the document. “However, deliberate, freely chosen and manifest behaviors to redefine one’s sex do constitute such an obstacle.”

Because the Catholic Church primarily baptizes infants, the Diocese of Marquette’s policy is likely to primarily impact non-Catholic adults seeking baptism in the Catholic Church, transgender teenagers preparing for confirmation and children of Catholic migrants who were not baptized as infants because their parents were frequently moving, among other possible reasons...

While other dioceses have released guidance on transgender people, several experts said they believe Marquette is the first to deny access to baptism and confirmation. That decision comes in an absence of significant guidance from the Vatican or the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, which have said little about transgender individuals and the sacraments. The closest piece of direction comes in the form of a 2019 document from the Vatican’s Congregation for Catholic Education that says people should be treated as the sex they were assigned at birth.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2021/12/08/catholic-diocese-transgender-people/

Meanwhile, the Church continues to protect pedophiles.

I wonder if Pope Francis will weigh in on this.
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Transgender people can't be baptized unless they've 'repented,' Catholic diocese says (Original Post) iemanja Dec 2021 OP
I was baptized in a long white gown. maxsolomon Dec 2021 #1
But after the ceremony MurrayDelph Dec 2021 #16
Onesie w/ cloth diaper maxsolomon Dec 2021 #18
So says the Church of Child Molestation. roamer65 Dec 2021 #2
what makes people believe in this nonsense Skittles Dec 2021 #3
The Roman Empire died a long time ago. Gaugamela Dec 2021 #4
And they wonder why we've left.. Deuxcents Dec 2021 #5
What do they do about a baby born with both sets of genitals? keithbvadu2 Dec 2021 #6
Intersex isn't transgender janterry Dec 2021 #10
Not per se Mad_Machine76 Dec 2021 #11
Fuck their "guidance". Solly Mack Dec 2021 #7
Brought to you by the Effin Holy Roman Empire. lindysalsagal Dec 2021 #8
Meanwhile, the Catholic Church has been absolutely bleeding membership for the past 20 years. bearsfootball516 Dec 2021 #9
The march toward irrelevancy and extinction continues apace.... AngryOldDem Dec 2021 #12
What about intersex individuals? Coventina Dec 2021 #13
Remember when Jesus threw the transgender and non binary out of the temple? Takket Dec 2021 #14
I wonder what the Bible citation is on this one Sympthsical Dec 2021 #15
I'd cite to Galatians chapter 3 verse 28 gratuitous Dec 2021 #17
Aren't more young people leaving the catholic church? BeckyDem Dec 2021 #19

Mad_Machine76

(24,422 posts)
11. Not per se
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 09:21 AM
Dec 2021

Although sometimes what their parents designate them as isn’t always how they identify later on.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
9. Meanwhile, the Catholic Church has been absolutely bleeding membership for the past 20 years.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 09:14 AM
Dec 2021

Seems they're hellbent on continuing that trend.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/church-membership-falls-below-majority-first-time.aspx

A 23 point decline in 20 years. That's bonkers.

Coventina

(27,150 posts)
13. What about intersex individuals?
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 12:47 PM
Dec 2021

Like my dear friend who is XXY?

Does my friend have to repent their chromosomal reality?

Sympthsical

(9,086 posts)
15. I wonder what the Bible citation is on this one
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 12:58 PM
Dec 2021

Usually I'm at least vaguely familiar, but this one has me stymied. I'm sure they'll cook up something.

So far, this seems like it was pulled out of the Book of My Ass.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
17. I'd cite to Galatians chapter 3 verse 28
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 01:16 PM
Dec 2021

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Seems pretty comprehensive that the doors to church should be open to everyone. By the way, note how Paul says "there is no male and female" a departure from the mutually-exclusive categories that go before (Jew nor Greek, slave nor free).

Is the Bible saying that gender constructs are not mutually exclusive? You could make a case for that here, and in the creation story at Genesis chapter 1, verse 27, whose language Paul is echoing in Galatians: "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them." (The use of "his" and "he" in the verse is a translation choice forced by English, which doesn't admit to addressing a person or even a deity as "it.&quot

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