General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDemocrats just proved they can get around the filibuster -- when they want to
Link to tweet
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/09/debt-ceiling-filibuster-arbitrary/
No paywall
https://archive.ph/VMIiu
The complicated agreement reached in Congress this week to ensure the nation doesnt default on its debt is a Frankensteins monster of arcane legislative procedures. The House-passed bill creates a one-time process in which 10 Republicans will technically agree to limit debate on a resolution to eventually allow Senate Democrats to vote to increase the debt ceiling through a simple majority. Republicans dont have to vote for a specific debt ceiling bill or increase amount. They are just agreeing to not filibuster the creation of this one-time process.
If all of this sounds gimmicky, its because it is. The filibuster has been the subject of significant debate this year, with members of both parties treating it as a hallowed institution. When it comes to the debt ceiling, Republicans have been insistent that Democrats raise the debt ceiling on their own, while refusing until now to allow a simple majority vote. The debt ceiling deal reveals how fundamentally subjective and arbitrary the supposed traditions and customs of the upper chamber are, and it provides the latest example of how the Senate is a broken institution incapable of responsive and logical solutions to our nations problems.
The House text of the debt ceiling measure provides for its expedited consideration, short circuits Senate debate and defangs a potential filibuster on the substance of the bill. This is all happening with Mitch McConnells buy-in, which is crucial. But it strongly suggests that certain institutional dividing lines arent as bright as some members of the worlds most exclusive club have suggested.
With this workaround, Senate Democrats have invited a fair question: If certain filibuster exceptions can be made for the debt ceiling, then why not for the other existential matters pending before Congress? Already, voting rights and democracy reform activists are pointing out the potential hypocrisy. Given the precarious situation at the Supreme Court, abortion rights advocates arent likely too far behind, with immigration reform activists likely to try to follow suit. Do these issues not also merit privileged consideration?
*snip*
gab13by13
(21,377 posts)Didn't the Senate just vote down president Biden's, OSHA's, order for companies that employ 100 or more people, those employees must be vaccinated. No filibuster was used for that vote because I believe it was an agreement that Chuck Schumer made with Senator Mike Lee to get him to vote for the government spending bill. The House will, I expect, vote down Lee's bill.
FalloutShelter
(11,875 posts)The Rethugs traded so they cool showboat on something that will be DOA if it ever makes it to Joes desk.
100% performance art.
former9thward
(32,046 posts)They wanted the vote to send a message to the courts, especially the SC, which are hearing challenges to the mandate.
Demsrule86
(68,620 posts)dweller
(23,647 posts)the Senate is a broken institution incapable of responsive and logical solutions to our nations problems
🤨
✌🏻
Demsrule86
(68,620 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,771 posts)How the hell is our broken Senate the responsibility of the Democrats?
wryter2000
(46,074 posts)It requires Republican cooperation. Why is everything the Democrats fault?
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,044 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,168 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)That is reality also.
In 2009 we had the Senate...60 votes with a much less arrogant Rethuglican party...until one Joe Lieberman happened.
With the current Non-Democratic 'Senate Rules' which have NO constitutional basis, the Monied Interests STILL control the Senate.
Thanks to Citizen United these 2 modern Lieberman's have much more Dark Monied funding from RW Billionaires and corporations. Big Oil and Big Pharma in this case.
And other Dark Money is waiting to be thrown about if other 'BIG' 1% Cartels decide it must be so, and they each will most likely have a 'Democratic' Champion.
Hell - we can't even get sane and reasonable Gun Control passed among a school shooting violence and death epidemic that has reached epic proportions because so many Congressional folk on both sides take tribute from the EVIL and murderous NRA.
The Senate is broken. I know what I believe we need to do, but this is not the venue for that discussion.
Response to wryter2000 (Reply #5)
Chin music This message was self-deleted by its author.
doc03
(35,358 posts)time this year. They have done it 15 times this year! But can't do it on voting rights. Yesterday the Republicans with two Democratic Senators stopped Biden's vaccine mandate, didn't need ay filibuster for that! 51 to 50
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=16127079
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,044 posts)Two Democrats in deep red states cast meaningless votes that would help protect them back home without affecting Biden's agenda.
Fixed it for you.
unblock
(52,277 posts)The argument seems to be that democrats can bypass the filibuster at will. But this one-time agreement depends on and agreement with mcturtle and 10 senators to not filibuster.
Democrats obviously can't just get that cooperation on demand, and surely republicans will extract some concession each time, as they surely got something this time, we just don't yet know what it is.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,644 posts)On Any other bill or issue, the obstruction of the filibuster remains.
The gimmicky workaround for the debt ceiling happened only because the Republicans permitted it.
Qutzupalotl
(14,320 posts)at will = McConnells will
Democrats just proved
McConnell decides what to filibuster?
Demsrule86
(68,620 posts)If you read through the article. It took 10 Republicans to do this. We are lucky that we had 10 Republicans...but what makes you think these same Republicans will support other legislation? I am impressed that the Democrats manage to convince enough Republicans so we did not default on the debt and our economy go down in flames...I honestly think this should be deleted. It reads as if we can do it without the GOP and we can't. Perhaps you could save some of the 'blame' for the Republicans who deserve it. Did you read the article? It could not be done without the GOP votes including McConnell.
onenote
(42,724 posts)Question for the OP: did you read the article you posted?