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Nevilledog

(51,157 posts)
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 11:26 AM Dec 2021

Mark Meadows possessed 'insane' blueprint for military seizing ballots after Trump's 2020 defeat

https://www.alternet.org/2021/12/trump-meadows/

Details of documents in the possession of former Chief of Staff Mark Meadows show that there was a blueprint for members of the National Guard and U.S. Marshals to take control of the U.S. election system following former President Donald Trump's defeat.

After Meadows decided to abruptly withdraw his cooperation with the House Jan. 6 Select Committee on Tuesday, Chairman Bennie Thompson (D-MS) revealed that Meadows had provided the committee with an email containing a 38-page PowerPoint slideshow titled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 JAN."

Author Karen Piper reviewed portions of the slideshow and concluded that it was "nuts."

"It's the craziest thing I've ever seen," Piper wrote on Twitter. She also described the document as "insane."

One slide explains how National Guard in each state would be federalized to count only "legitimate" paper ballots. Meanwhile, U.S. Marshals would be tasked with providing a "protective perimeter around the locations."

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Mark Meadows possessed 'insane' blueprint for military seizing ballots after Trump's 2020 defeat (Original Post) Nevilledog Dec 2021 OP
They had a coordinated plan. bearsfootball516 Dec 2021 #1
They are getting away with it so far. And the next attempt will succeed. Scrivener7 Dec 2021 #9
It wasn't coordinated as the military wouldn't have gone along with it. Kaleva Dec 2021 #12
There should be a warrant out for his arrest... kentuck Dec 2021 #2
Yesterday elias7 Dec 2021 #8
I guess we know what to lookout for in future elections MagickMuffin Dec 2021 #3
republicon traitor spanone Dec 2021 #4
So Meadows provided that email, and then he decided to fight the subpoena? Haggard Celine Dec 2021 #5
He got a phone call from Pendejo45. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #10
LoL! Must have. Haggard Celine Dec 2021 #15
I see what you did there. ... aggiesal Dec 2021 #23
Cool. Glad you caught it, apropos of our other conversation :) Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #24
That name is so appropriate! Have a great day. n/t aggiesal Dec 2021 #29
More dramatic. Might stick if he's on tv, Captain Zero Dec 2021 #16
Yeah, the hearings are going to be theater, really. Haggard Celine Dec 2021 #22
Legal questions - Could the wnylib Dec 2021 #25
That's a good question. Wish I knew. Haggard Celine Dec 2021 #26
It just seems to me that it would be wnylib Dec 2021 #27
Good point about Wray. Haggard Celine Dec 2021 #30
The Brooks Bros. Riot lives to fight another day bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #6
All the Brooks Brothers rioters & their *ahem* handmaidens have done quite, QUITE well since then Hekate Dec 2021 #21
So we sit back and do nothing? BlueJac Dec 2021 #7
That's your choice. Kaleva Dec 2021 #17
what is your choice? nt Grasswire2 Dec 2021 #38
Preparing for what is predicted climate change will bring. Kaleva Dec 2021 #40
Just as soon as the leaf blower issue in Dallas Sewa Dec 2021 #41
Fortunately, they were not able to convince anyone -- including Supreme Court -- that it was a Hoyt Dec 2021 #11
+1 Kaleva Dec 2021 #13
Why do I feel we are just pi$$ing in the wind? 40RatRod Dec 2021 #14
I don't piss in the wind. There's nothing positive to gain from that. Kaleva Dec 2021 #18
And who gets to decide which votes are "legitimate"? calimary Dec 2021 #19
It Says "Paper Ballots" ProfessorGAC Dec 2021 #32
Just think what could happen if all GQP governors had their own 'Florida State Guard'. keithbvadu2 Dec 2021 #20
Ya but Kamala Harris doesn't like Bluetooth headphones... SouthernCal_Dem Dec 2021 #28
Treason. sarcasmo Dec 2021 #31
firing squad level Grasswire2 Dec 2021 #37
Kick dalton99a Dec 2021 #33
If they had given the orders I think it could have worked. David__77 Dec 2021 #34
would Charles Flynn have been the one to give orders? nt Grasswire2 Dec 2021 #36
Sounds like the death of a Democracy spanone Dec 2021 #35
so....freaking Fascist shit mshasta Dec 2021 #39

Kaleva

(36,318 posts)
12. It wasn't coordinated as the military wouldn't have gone along with it.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 01:20 PM
Dec 2021

People who live in La-la Land can never produce a plan that has a chance of success in the the real world.

MagickMuffin

(15,949 posts)
3. I guess we know what to lookout for in future elections
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 11:29 AM
Dec 2021


Should I put elections in quotes?


We dodged a bullet but they came to close for comfort!


Haggard Celine

(16,847 posts)
5. So Meadows provided that email, and then he decided to fight the subpoena?
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 11:32 AM
Dec 2021

Is this all some sort of theater to try and appease Trump? Because if he's already given the committee the goods, what difference does it make if he doesn't testify any further?

Captain Zero

(6,820 posts)
16. More dramatic. Might stick if he's on tv,
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 01:33 PM
Dec 2021

All over tv testifying and having to answer questions would register more in people's minds about what was going down.

A stack of papers? Not so much....
The average rumper can ignore a stack of papers that a democrat is talking about. Easily.

Haggard Celine

(16,847 posts)
22. Yeah, the hearings are going to be theater, really.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 01:58 PM
Dec 2021

It's all got to be revealed to everyone like a court case on TV. Everybody needs to know what happened, but I think most people, except for the Trumpers, have heard enough that they already have a good idea of what happened. I wish they could just give all their info to the DOJ and let them take it from there, but that's apparently not going to be enough. It all needs to be seen by the world in the light of day.

wnylib

(21,550 posts)
25. Legal questions - Could the
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 02:25 PM
Dec 2021

Select Committee already be turning over some information to DOJ as they collect it? Is there any legal requirement for the Committee to wait until their investigation is complete and then turn in everything at once? Or, can they work in cooperation with DOJ, sharing documents and testimony as the Committee gets it and receiving feedback from DOJ (AG Garland) on what to follow up on in order to build cases?

There are so many people involved in the attempted coup that all the documents and testimonies from and about individuals involved must amount to a huge system of organizing them and keeping the facts and records straight. Where there are gaps in a potential case against any one of the characters, DOJ could request some types of questions or additional people to be questioned if DOJ and the Committee work together.

So, is there anything that would prevent mutual cooperation between the Committee and DOJ as the investigations proceed?

Haggard Celine

(16,847 posts)
26. That's a good question. Wish I knew.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 02:43 PM
Dec 2021

I'm sure the President has known all along about all of it, although the information he has seen probably can't be brought out in public. Can't help but wonder what access Garland has had. Have the intelligence agencies shared what they know with him? Pelosi has probably been aware of most of it as well, and Schumer too. So all of these people know, but they can't share what they know in the manner that they learned it. This whole thing with the committee is just the vehicle by which they tell the crimes to the public. That's why the Republicans hate it so much. They know that without the committee hearings, it's hard to expose all of this to the public.

wnylib

(21,550 posts)
27. It just seems to me that it would be
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 03:20 PM
Dec 2021

efficient and productive for Congress and DOJ to work together on the investigation rather than have DOJ duplicating depositions and collection of documents.

Obtaining records and depositions from the Committee might be better than from FBI investigations since FBI Director Wray is a Federalist and there are Trump supporters embedded among the agents.

Haggard Celine

(16,847 posts)
30. Good point about Wray.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 06:44 PM
Dec 2021

Yes, I'm sure there have to be things the committee can do to help the DOJ. Hopefully they are.

bucolic_frolic

(43,236 posts)
6. The Brooks Bros. Riot lives to fight another day
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 11:49 AM
Dec 2021

Coup d'etat in suits with Powerpoint strike points.

We are so misled by suits and lawyers in this country. Some of them anyway.

Hekate

(90,755 posts)
21. All the Brooks Brothers rioters & their *ahem* handmaidens have done quite, QUITE well since then
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 01:57 PM
Dec 2021

Amazing how that works.

Sewa

(1,256 posts)
41. Just as soon as the leaf blower issue in Dallas
Fri Dec 10, 2021, 03:35 AM
Dec 2021

is cleared up, we’ll get right on it. 💀🤙

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. Fortunately, they were not able to convince anyone -- including Supreme Court -- that it was a
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 01:12 PM
Dec 2021

fraudulent election. Sure, millions of trump's rubes believe it, but Biden is still Prez.

40RatRod

(532 posts)
14. Why do I feel we are just pi$$ing in the wind?
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 01:28 PM
Dec 2021

Seems like the next election will be here before anything happens and by then it will be too late if we lose the house and more senate seats.

ProfessorGAC

(65,111 posts)
32. It Says "Paper Ballots"
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 07:17 PM
Dec 2021

Now, they may be going further to parse which paper ballots are "legitimate". Maybe mail in ballots would be considered "illegitimate".
But, it sounds like they would summarily dismiss any machine ballots. Given their attempts to smear Dominion & Smartmatic, machines were clearly among their targets.

keithbvadu2

(36,853 posts)
20. Just think what could happen if all GQP governors had their own 'Florida State Guard'.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 01:56 PM
Dec 2021

Just think what could happen if all GQP governors had their own 'Florida State Guard'.

SouthernCal_Dem

(852 posts)
28. Ya but Kamala Harris doesn't like Bluetooth headphones...
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 03:29 PM
Dec 2021

Perspective, people.

Focus on the things that are important!

David__77

(23,434 posts)
34. If they had given the orders I think it could have worked.
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 07:55 PM
Dec 2021

Would the military have arrested Trump and his associates? Unfortunately, there may be a rerun of this scenario in some form.

mshasta

(2,108 posts)
39. so....freaking Fascist shit
Thu Dec 9, 2021, 08:54 PM
Dec 2021

so national guard was going to count only Republican white Christian votes and the ones with strange last names like Gonzalez, Hammid, Singh , Nuyeng, in every blue state will be discarded, very scary stuff...wow

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