The Rude Pundit: They Really Thought They Could Overturn the 2020 Election

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12/09/2021
They Really Thought They Could Overturn the 2020 Election


In the lunatic Powerpoint that Donald Trump's former Chief of Staff and loyal cumrag Mark Meadows turned over to the committee investigating the January 6, 2021 coup attempt, there are two words that completely undo any assertion that there was any real fuckery in the election. Without those two words, these weak-minded, strong-arming fucktoads could have perhaps tried to say that they were more concerned with the integrity of the elections than anything else, that they were standing firm for America's democratic traditions and laws. But there was no way that they were going to be allowed to make the case without them because that's all it really was about and no one was gonna be fuckin' permitted to forget it.

The two words? "Trump wins."

It's not that we all didn't know that the goal was to wipe away the legal election of Joe Biden in favor of another term lurching through shit with Donald fucking Trump. But the Powerpoint file makes clear: they wanted to do anything they could to install Trump, even if it tore the country apart. The short sentence "Trump wins," in all capital letters with two exclamation points after it, appears twice. It's a declaration of purpose and a call to arms against reality.

When I saw that in the goddamned file, I couldn't help but wonder how this could have gone if they hadn't been so stupidly evil, if Trump's morbidly obese ego hadn't put his cheating his way to victory front and center. Would it have given cover to more Republicans to sign up to the Big Lie if they had played it as about election integrity as an end in and of itself? Trump called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and begged for him to conjure out of thin air the exact number of votes for Trump to win the state. Instead, Trump could have merely said he was concerned about the vote there and wanted to assure that Biden's victory was real.

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And that's the thing about the whole coup attempt (and we can stop being coy about this shit. Call a coup a "coup" ): the people behind it weren't fucking around. They just smoked their own stash too much and believed that others in the various levels of government throughout the country would go along with the coup. Or they were riding Trump's mania like a surfboard, hoping they'd catch a sweet wave of Republican officials willing to shitcan democracy for the sake of the ego and potential criminal liability of a fake billionaire and wannabe Mussolini.

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[onecaliberal]

1. They failed by luck but have spent the last year fixing things so they won't fail in 2024.

[gab13by13]

2. Absolutely,

it has only gotten worse since 1/6 and many don't realize that. Once red states pass their discriminatory laws they are harder to remove. When our DOJ allowed a pro-Trump cyber ninja group of people to do a fraudit in Arizona, to have access to voter data, to ballots and voting equipment it violated state and federal laws. Voting ballots and equipment were no longer in the possession of election officials, and our DOJ did nothing but write a stern letter. So fast forward, the fraudits moved on to other states, in my Pa. these pro-Trump people want my SS number and my driver's license number. These pro-Trump people is several states have access to voter information and are going door to door questioning people how they voted without identifying who they are, without identifying who they work for and secretly recording everything and our DOJ does nothing.

I thought when Kristen Clarke was confirmed things would change, but nothing happened.

I wouldn't doubt that these fraudits were used to help Trump people with their gerrymandering.

I just don't see how it is possible to retain the House, the states have rigged the 2022 election and we don't have time now to do anything about it.

[Demsrule86]

11. They will fail.

[onecaliberal]

17. I'm not confident.

They rule in 30 state houses and have given themselves permission to decide which votes to count.

[Roc2020]

31. They will fail again

because the dynamics of 2020 will not be the dynamics of 2024. Heck the midterms to GOP is not given.

[onecaliberal]

32. They have worked daily on gerrymandering, maps and new laws.

They are in much BETTER position than last time. People on the right who safeguarded and protected the vote have been fired. At least 30 states have passed laws giving themselves the right to pick the winner if they don’t like who voters elected.

[DENVERPOPS]

41. There is not a question in my mind

that they are committed to not making a single mistake the next time. They are working night and day, across the entire nation to make sure they over run the country next time, state by state across the entire nation........

Sorry, but show me evidence to the contrary that they are being controlled or stopped in their efforts.
We have the best politicians and citizens that Fox Corp. and Putin can buy..........

[bucolic_frolic]

3. It's all a front for oligarchs, CEOs, polluters who want government out of their way

They were never fooling me.

[not fooled]

9. Yep

that's what it all boils down to.

[Farmer-Rick]

13. Yup

It's is just another way for the filthy rich to trample our democracy. Fully identify all Democratic voters, then they can target them... Administratively accidentally drop them from rolls and don't count their votes....Or just target the hidden Democrats with harassment.

The filthy rich can't suck up all the wealth in a country if a fully functional democracy is able to develop a fully functional government.

A dicktater is soooo much easier to manipulate into giving the filthy rich everything their greedy, perverted hearts want.

[bucolic_frolic]

15. Privilege and property rights as the primary civil rights enforced by 2A solutions

Does that fit?

[Farmer-Rick]

23. I had to look that up

Did you mean: "A corner solution is an instance where the "best" solution (i.e. maximizing profit, or utility, or whatever value is sought) is achieved based not on the market-efficient maximization of related quantities, but rather based on brute-force boundary conditions."

Then enforcing it as a primary civil right.

That was an interesting search. Do you have a favorite link?

[gab13by13]

22. Exactly,

that is just what Sheldon Whitehouse said the other day; Citizens United and dark money in politics. America is a country of oligarchs too. I saw yesterday that America is not in the top 30 in degree of democratic countries. The point was made that Italy, Germany, and Japan are ahead of us in degree of democracy. Point being, we went to war against those countries so that we could bring democracy to them. Sad and ironic.

[fwvinson]

30. And, they might have to come over here to rid the world

of a fascist government

[certainot]

34. democracy was designed to deal with dark money - through campaign finance reform etc

the only unique advantage the authoritarians have is their 30 years rw radio monopoly that has been locally and nationally coordinated to pound the country with unchallenged repetition as needed to create pro-corporate constituencies to oppose pro-democratic reforms - like campaign finance reform - like with "corporations are people" "unions give more money than corporations" "big govt regulation, like minimum wage, raises prices" etc

and democracy lovers ignored it because it hurts their heads. the russians have been piggybacking those 30 years of repetition and the analysts blame its symptoms fox and facebook! and they're been feeding RW radio here for at least a decade. and they're likely using it in europe, india, brazil, mexico too, stirring immigration surges like they do south of our border

the doomsayers and trolls will surge and predict doom in the midterms to enable shits like manchin and sinema, but alll dems have to do is finally stop ignoring the fucking radio. instead the airwaves are full of 'analysts' who never mention radio, maybe because they all live in the 1% of the country where there are free easy alts for politics - which is why republicans and assholes like manchin don't want high speed infrastructure

[moondust]

35. Corruption gone wild!

At this point the GQP appears to be little more than a corrupt gang of power grabbers setting up a permanent Putinesque kleptocracy to enrich themselves and their oligarch backers.

Not too surprising in the context of their ancestors owning slaves and killing Natives when necessary to take their land. Oops, there goes that unflattering CRT stuff again.

[erronis]

38. Clear explanation. No need to look further than greed.

There's lots of talk about fascism, nationalizm, autocracies and plutocracies.

It's just naked greed. And they'll take their spoils to the grave - to be eventually forgotten by history and the earth.

[DENVERPOPS]

42. OR, if Mother Nature has her way

she may wipe the planet clean of the human race and start over. I think all the things that are happening with the weather, viruses, and climate across earth is her just finally saying enough is enough. You humans don't respect MY PLANET and I am gonna get rid of the major problem that is destroying it.........

[spanone]

4. ...K&R...

[zentrum]

5. Rude!

[malaise]

6. Brilliant

Rudie nails it again :h:

[malaise]

7. Brilliant

Rudie nails it again :h:

[love_katz]

8. Kick!

[Botany]

10. Yup!

"But the Power point file makes clear: they wanted to do anything they could to install Trump, even if it tore the country apart."

O6/21/22 we had 2 groups attack the US Capitol:

1) Group one Meth Head Biker Types who wanted a fight, dumb asses who really believed that TFG won, and weak
brained idiots.

2) Group two Retired and active duty police, firefighters, and military personal along with oath keepers and so on who were the real shock troops looking to do real damage.

Between both groups Trump and company were hoping for so much violence, damage, and bloodshed that TFG
could declare martial law and suspend the results of the election so he could stay out of prison and be bankrupted
by civil penalties

[nuxvomica]

12. "They just smoked their own stash too much"

That's why we can have some soupçon of hope. Trumpsters talk to normal people like they're still in one of their right-wing circle jerks and are surprised when others don't hold the same fairy-tale assumptions. This is the big flaw in the echo-chamber model. It doesn't prepare you for reality.

[llashram]

14. ++

[Mysterian]

16. They successfully overturned the election of President Gore

with the help of a corrupt Supreme Court. So, they thought they could do it again.

[DENVERPOPS]

43. They may succeed with that

avenue yet...................

Biden should create three new positions of Justices on the Supreme Court and fill them to neutralize that avenue..........
And he should do it immediately before all the Red states get their voting and abortion crap shoved through by the Supreme Court approving of their actions..........

[Paladin]

18. "...the gang that couldn't coup straight..."

Bravo, Rude One!

[Escurumbele]

19. The one thing people are not talking about, and I insist MUST BE part of the conversation is

There were buses already setup to pick up house officials to take them to some location unknown to us. There was a limousine waiting for Pence, which he refused, to also take him somewhere, and I have to think that the thought of being killed mafia style must have crossed Pence's mind, I believe that was the primary reason why he refused to go with them, not so much that he had a constitutional and patriotic job to do.

Why is this so important? Because that was the goal of the coup, to dismantle the proceedings, to take the house officials and Pence to different locations where they could not perform their job, the coup was meant to scare them off.

[link:https://www.newsweek.com/mike-pence-refused-car-secret-service-capitol-riot-book-1610326|
"According to the book, Pence twice refused to evacuate from the Capitol building on January 6 because he was concerned that the sight of his motorcade leaving could 'vindicate" the rioters.'"

And this interchange is the one that makes me think about the mafia style murder he may have thought of:
Pence told Giebels: "I'm not getting in the car, Tim."
"I trust you, Tim, but you're not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. I'm not getting in the car," he said.


I am convinced that all of it was planned, the fact there were rioters would make it easy to get the house officials and Pence away from the Capitol, take them to separate locations and thus impede the count. I don't blame Pence for suspecting he would be killed, even with all the brownnosing he did during is four years as VP, he clearly knows trump is a thug and has the inability to measure consequences.

[gab13by13]

24. Excellent point.

Speaker Pelosi was also fierce in demanding that the vote count continued that night. Also, members of Congress were involved, the ones who disputed the counts in certain states. There are many traitors who need to be exposed and jailed.

I hear that AG Garland may be working on this?

You absolutely understand the serious situation we are in. If Trump were to win in 2024 it would be a Pinocet-style takeover.

[keithbvadu2]

39. Maybe Pence saw this movie

[DENVERPOPS]

44. I believe that there were groups

within those masses of mis-guided sheep that came damn close to Taking out Pence, all Democrats in the House and Senate, and any Republicans that hadn't shown they were 100% loyal to Trump. They would have hung Pence and Pelosi in the gallows that they brought with them, on the steps of the Capitol for all to see.....Then lined up the Dems and dis-loyal Republicans on the Capitol steps to be gunned down by firing squad.

We cannot rely on the National Guard, the Military, or the Police to protect the established Government or it's citizens. I feel that we have no idea whatsoever how many of them are in reality closet TrumpHumpers.

It was painfully obvious that someone(s) intentionally held back the Capitol Police, the D.C. Police and the Guard that day.........
If those groups of officials had even their normal gear and weapons, the insurrectionists would have been DROPPED on the spot, as they broke through the doors and windows, and never gained entry.

SOMEONE(S) INTENTIONALLY ORDERED THEM NOT TO HAVE THEIR NORMAL EQUIPMENT, WEAPONS, AND NUMBERS OF PERSONNEL THAT DAY.....THAT FACT WAS TRUE FOR THE CAPITOL POLICE, THE D.C. POLICE AND THE GUARD MEMBERS STATIONED BLOCKS AWAY.

I have to laugh at Pence for NOW working with the Republican Party and other Republican Politicians, after having nearly been killed by them and their followers. Holy crap, what an F'ing Moron. Actually, it is a good thing that they didn't get near Pence, the Secret Service doesn't take prisoners, and under their dress coats, slung on their shoulder, they are armed with UZI type automatic weapons and are highly trained to use them.......

[llashram]

20. ++

[Johonny]

21. If they don't go to jail for trying to overthrow the US government

then basically they will have proved they could have overturned the election if only there were a few more corrupt people in places of power and there are no checks and balances to show the next time, there won't be enough!

[DownriverDem]

25. Meanwhile

in red states repub election officials are taking over. Some red states have kicked out the Dems on these election commissions. They are setting up a major cluster F*ck come 2022 and 2024.

[certainot]

26. exactly - "trump wins" is a STATEMENT OF PURPOSE

as if there was something they could do to make it so

[calimary]

27. OUCH!!! Two words indeed. "Loyal cumrag."

OUCH-OUCH-OUCH!!!

Well, Meadows, you’ve really arrived. Your well-earned new nickname has been bestowed and confirmed. (Well, one of ‘em, anyway.)

MAN… how’d you like to be referred to THAT way…

… and VIEWED that way…

That’s one hell of an accomplishment you got there, Meadows. I can never see your miserable image for the rest of my life as anything other than donald trump’s “loyal cumrag.”

Well done, dude! And SO well-deserved!

[BobTheSubgenius]

28. The majority of those people, the bloated gasbag especially,

are as subtle and nuanced as a bar fight. There was no way they could avoid such a ham-handed, obvious clusterfuck.

[Stuart G]

29. Thank You for posting...K and R.

[fwvinson]

33. What if they actually steal the election in 2024.

Will we storm the capitol and chant "Hang Trump"?
I hope so.
And, we will succeed.

[Orrex]

40. Then they must be stopped by any and all means necessary

[Martin Eden]

36. Huge K&R for R.P.

We need to call things for what they are, and act accordingly!

[Cha]

37. KR!!

[PatrickforB]

45. "...the people behind it weren't fucking around."

Yep. We almost lost our republic that day, but for the utter stupidity of those Trump supporters on the ground. Had those people been more organized, we would be fighting a civil war right now.

As it is, we're only bracing for one.

But, hey, China supposedly has a better missile or something, and so they HAVE to pass legislation giving 'defense' $778 billion.

The CBO had to 'study' the costs of BBB, but no one is batting an eyelash over the $778 billion.

WHEN, I ask all of you, is the last time Congress did anything to materially benefit you and your family?

We fritter away $4.2 trillion on forever wars, $3 trillion on tax cuts for billionaire parasites, and another $778 billion on 'defense'...so, WHERE IS OUR HEALTHCARE? WHERE IS OUR DENTAL CARE? WHERE IS THE AFFORDABLE DEBT-FREE COLLEGE FOR OUR KIDS and GRANDKIDS?

You all know what? My grandpa, who was a farmer in the way-back-when in Weld County, CO used to say that something difficult would be a 'hard row to hoe.'

Well, we have that proverbial HARD ROW TO HOE in front of us right now, don't we? Not only do we have to find a way to save the Republic, but we ALSO have to find a way to ensure that our government acts in OUR interests rather than just padding the pockets of billionaires and corporate shareholders.

[PatrickforB]

46. Oh, and one final thought...

'Loyal cumrag' gave me a nice chuckle.