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I have recently been critical of Merrick Garland, and expressed frustration at the DOJ's apparent inaction on the 1/6 insurrection. But now, after further thought, I have changed my mind, for several reasons.
Over the summer and into the fall Glenn Kirschner, in his Justice Matters videos, frequently expressed frustration in this regard, and pleaded repeatedly with the DOJ to take action. However, in the last couple months he has changed his tune, and now frequently reassures his audience that things are happening. My feeling is that an inside connection in the DOJ reached out to assure him that the investigation is on track.
I was also thinking about the Georgia DA who was arrested for interfering with indictments in the Ahmaud Arbery case. Obviously, there is a big difference between interference and declining to bring charges on reasonable grounds, not to mention the differences between the US AG and a local DA, but nonetheless a failure to act after 1/6 would be the greatest dereliction of duty in the history of the country. No one would want to go down in history as the biggest stooge since Neville Chamberlain. Given the revelation of the 38-page Power Point sedition memo, and the fact that Republican leadership were briefed on it two days before the insurrection, it is simply impossible for me to believe that Garland or the DOJ would sit on their hands and do nothing. I have to believe that Garland and the DOJ fully understand the gravity and urgency of the situation, and that they are committed to saving our democracy. They can see everything that we can, plus much, much more. During his confirmation hearing Garland became emotional talking about how this country had saved his family, and I have no reason to doubt his sincerity.
I suspect that Garland wants to let the House Committee on January 6th hold its weeks-long public hearings before he does anything publicly, because the hearings will set the stage for DOJ indictments, and help to discharge the bellowing from the likes of Gym Jordan and the inevitable right wing three-ring-circus that will ensue. I have no idea when the DOJ will announce indictments it might be a year or more from now but it seems to me there needs to be a coordinated high level effort to put any forthcoming indictments into context, or the Republicans could well succeed in framing it all as an unprecedented, politically motivated attack. The 1/6 committee and the DOJ know they have a wounded and enraged tiger by the tail, and that, if they don't proceed methodically and carefully, they could easily lose control. They get one shot at this, and if they blow it they will be handing victory to the traitors. And if that happens things will very likely get extremely ugly in this country in short order.
Let's hope that Merrick Garland is the Ulysses S. Grant we need at this moment, or Gandalf the White if you like, operating on the sly, readying a cavalry against a bunch of ratfucker orcs. Because if not, I'm going to take a hiatus in Costa Rica for awhile.
lame54
(35,326 posts)That's all we're asking
Expecting us to go on blind faith is out of the question
Gaugamela
(2,496 posts)By the way, I have no problem with anyone expressing frustration. I'd support demonstrations in D.C. at the DOJ to pressure them to act. Hold their feet to the fire!
secondwind
(16,903 posts)We have to be very careful who is who in there... I think Garland will not let us down.
Gaugamela
(2,496 posts)gab13by13
(21,408 posts)but if his strategy is to wait for referrals from the select committee our democracy is screwed.
Bev54
(10,074 posts)only on the international interference and Trump's requesting and accepting help. He is also working on and with his DAG's in getting information from and prior to trying the insurrectionists themselves. He is going to put all the information together, with that from the states, the insurrectionists and the 1/6 commission. I am confident he is working on it an his previous comments about following the money was a big hint that he is not ignoring this at all.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,659 posts)Great legal reporting and analysis on January 6 and other Trump-related prosecutions and investigations. Very detailed and sometimes boring (lots of Latin terms and quoting of federal statutes), but informative nonetheless. Sort of a legal play-by-play commentary.
Emptywheel explains what is/isnt happening and why, giving a clearer context for the big picture.
No one should expect any kind of briefing or press conference regarding ongoing investigations- thats not how DOJ (is supposed to) works.
cilla4progress
(24,777 posts)her findings or conclusions?
Will definitely give it a read (or listen? I can add it to my umpteen other ones! 😆 )
cilla4progress
(24,777 posts)Into google search it just shuts down and goes nowhere.
Gaugamela
(2,496 posts)cilla4progress
(24,777 posts)Funny. "Whinging"...
I thought it was a typo but I guess it's a thing!
Fiendish Thingy
(15,659 posts)Marcy Wheeler, aka emptywheel, although American, lives in Ireland.
gab13by13
(21,408 posts)no signature. It sounded more like excuses to me, especially that we are supposed to be happy with the prosecutions which have occurred without mentioning that those prosecutions were done by state prosecutors.
One thing is for certain, we don't know what DOJ is doing. We do know what Georgia is doing. We do know what New York is doing. They are going after Trump. I don't need to know the details of the Georgia/NY investigations, I am just happy to know they are doing something, whether they win indictments or not.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,659 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)and if GOP takes back Congress the 1/6 Committee is gone. Everything has to be in order for Garland/DOJ before that point.
Takket
(21,634 posts)the amount of time we have to look into this is not infinite. we have about 13 months until the next congress is sworn in, and then the opportunity to stop the right wing from permanently solidifying its power over the government is lost.
Bannon just got SEVEN months to get ready for a simple contempt of congress trial, so imagine how long it is going to take to actually get drumpf and any of his minions on trial for anything. if DOJ wants to take down the minions before cutting the snake's head off, that could easily take until after 2024 and if drumpf pulls off his coup/voter suppression whatever BS to get back in, than it is pardons for everyone and he won't let the white house slip away again.........
Gaugamela
(2,496 posts)would likely come too late to affect the 2022 election. As for Republican voter suppression and plans to overturn elections in various state legislatures, that seems to me to be a separate legal issue from the attempted coup. It needs to be addressed by congress, or by DOJ legal action when it occurs. I'm not sure there's anything Garland can do about that now.
Fiendish Thingy
(15,659 posts)The committee can definitely help, and already has, but DOJ can continue even if the committee is dissolved.
cilla4progress
(24,777 posts)and I agree with all of it:
1. Very impatient to see these actors brought to justice. In my more mature moments, I can see that lowering the temperature is important. I like your analogy to having a tiger by the tail. Further - if we are going to proclaim OUR loyalty to the rule of law, we can't act like the mob that the MAGA crowd is with any legitimacy.
2. I agree about Garland deferring to the 1/6 committee at this time. He HAS indeed acted on the referrals they have made to him. If the Rs take over Congress in 2022, we still have DOJ.
3. I have no reason to have my confidence in Kirschner shaken in any way. He strikes me as a truth-teller - possibly with an inside edge on info - and has been on the front of this; no shriking violet he. Interesting to contrast him with Walter Shaub, if you know or follow him. Allison Gill (muellershewrote and daily beans podcasts) also indicated this week she is feeling positive that things are progressing. You saw Liz Cheney's tweets I posted here this week. I TRUST THESE PEOPLE on this issue.
I've given up thinking anything will change MAGA minds - including tfg admitting planning a coup with help from Putin. But, as Vindman said - quite poignantly - "here right matters." So strap in, everone, the fight of our lives looms. I'm in.
kairos12
(12,875 posts)Septua
(2,261 posts)..and that, if they don't proceed methodically and carefully, they could easily lose control. They get one shot at this, and if they blow it they will be handing victory to the traitors. And if that happens things will very likely get extremely ugly in this country in short order."
Fully agree...this situation isn't a mere parking ticket. A President and number of lawmakers tried to take over the government...he won't indict until the evidence is absent of any doubt, let alone, reasonable.