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There are 2 Dakota's just so there would be an extra 2 GOP senators: (Original Post) tblue37 Dec 2021 OP
Like most memes, fact-checking is your friend. Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #1
+1 Sneederbunk Dec 2021 #4
Yeah, it's more complicated moose65 Dec 2021 #5
Combine the Dakotas, Montana, Idaho, Wyoming and Montana Thunderbeast Dec 2021 #2
That's why the house is also part of government. To give everyone a voice. jimfields33 Dec 2021 #3
I Buy That Second Sentence ProfessorGAC Dec 2021 #6
But why have one South Dakota when you could have eight? Tommy Carcetti Dec 2021 #7

Ms. Toad

(34,102 posts)
1. Like most memes, fact-checking is your friend.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 04:01 PM
Dec 2021
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/dakota-split-states-senators/

"just so" is a gross over-simplifaction of a pretty complex set of facts.

While it is true that doing so added 2 more Republican senators, the Republicans of 1889 are not the Republicans of 2021. As the article points out, Union solidiers were one of the most prevalent settlers.

In addition, there were lots of states being added at the time - which diluted the impact of 1 v. 2 Dakotas.

moose65

(3,168 posts)
5. Yeah, it's more complicated
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 05:00 PM
Dec 2021

But just think of it - in less than a year, 6 states were admitted to the Union. That is unfathomable today. Of course it was political - the Republicans had taken over Congress and the Presidency. However, as has already been mentioned, the Republicans of 1889 were a LOT different from that party today. In fact, Harrison wanted to pass Civil Rights legislation for Black people, so that in the Southern states their rights would be protected.

Thunderbeast

(3,420 posts)
2. Combine the Dakotas, Montana, Idaho, Wyoming and Montana
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 04:34 PM
Dec 2021

That combination would make one state with a reasonable population deserving two senators.

jimfields33

(15,978 posts)
3. That's why the house is also part of government. To give everyone a voice.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 04:38 PM
Dec 2021

The senate represents the state only.

However, the house needs expanded. The senate should stay.

ProfessorGAC

(65,212 posts)
6. I Buy That Second Sentence
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 06:01 PM
Dec 2021

Today, House members represent more people than some senators. (That takes into account that 2 senators represent 50% of the state's people. I know, not technically accurate.)
But, a House member today represents around 700,000 people.
There are several states with under 1.4 million people.
IMO, a representative should never serve more people that a senator.

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