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Meadows is really up shit creek (Original Post) malaise Dec 2021 OP
I hope Trump is right behind him (n/t) PJMcK Dec 2021 #1
The way I see it..... MyOwnPeace Dec 2021 #4
Yep, my concern is that TOO MANY, too powerful Republicans were karynnj Dec 2021 #20
I'm down with anything that destroys the GOP, especially the truth. nt Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #39
Yep malaise Dec 2021 #5
Have you read Peril? wnylib Dec 2021 #46
commander don's right hand man. spanone Dec 2021 #2
Lock them up! malaise Dec 2021 #7
Amen, Lock. Their. Asses. Up. spanone Dec 2021 #17
My thinking exactly-- he was neck deep in the treasonous muck LymphocyteLover Dec 2021 #3
I'm getting flashbacks of Bridgegate. If there just a slight tie to Trump, he'll deny it TheBlackAdder Dec 2021 #58
Good point... I was sprprised that Christie never got in any real trouble for that episode though LymphocyteLover Dec 2021 #60
LOL SoCalDavidS Dec 2021 #6
I'll believe it when I see it. CanonRay Dec 2021 #8
+1 Celerity Dec 2021 #22
+2 Doremus Dec 2021 #55
Nobody's handing him a paddle.... Dorian Gray Dec 2021 #9
I'm still waiting Tickle Dec 2021 #10
He got to be a right wing hero instead. DeeNice Dec 2021 #13
Don't get me started on that piece of reaganoid trash... nt Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #40
... 2naSalit Dec 2021 #11
When I'm convinced the creek exists for these people... Silent3 Dec 2021 #12
It's there but... lame54 Dec 2021 #21
Some of Nixon's stooges went to jail, briefly. mn9driver Dec 2021 #14
Nicolle Wallace just agreed with me n/t malaise Dec 2021 #16
And Ford set the precedent that the president IS above the law. NYC Liberal Dec 2021 #44
Like Conspiracy? Sedition? maxsolomon Dec 2021 #15
Sing little birdie, sing. sarcasmo Dec 2021 #18
They're boiling the noodles now... EarthFirst Dec 2021 #19
I fear another "Fitzmas" that wasn't. CentralMass Dec 2021 #23
Trump and his band of criminals tried to overthrow the government. triron Dec 2021 #24
You are correct malaise Dec 2021 #25
Hope you are right. triron Dec 2021 #27
Go read the constitution for the legal definition of treason. Fiendish Thingy Dec 2021 #28
Yes, you nailed it, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #36
The DOJ *did* bring the obstruction charges for those who showed intent to obstruct. Fiendish Thingy Dec 2021 #53
that should be mandated , more than c-19 !! monkeyman1 Dec 2021 #31
I think I_UndergroundPanther Dec 2021 #57
I'm hoping that the testimony of Pence's COS Marc Short will be the final nail in the coffin Fiendish Thingy Dec 2021 #26
I hope Pence himself is singing malaise Dec 2021 #30
Would be nice, but so far no indication he is. Nt Fiendish Thingy Dec 2021 #32
I don't think Trump ever liked or trusted Pence very much. Mr.Bill Dec 2021 #41
Trump's narcissism and paranoia wnylib Dec 2021 #54
Has Pence even been asked to appear? Poiuyt Dec 2021 #47
That is very very interesting isn't it malaise Dec 2021 #49
How many GQPers in Congress gab13by13 Dec 2021 #29
Truth will out malaise Dec 2021 #34
If he walks and smell like a duck, he is fucked.... Historic NY Dec 2021 #33
LOL malaise Dec 2021 #35
At last count there were 3 of them, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #37
I would almost - ALMOST - allow all of them to walk Mr. Ected Dec 2021 #38
I'm greedy malaise Dec 2021 #42
Isolate it to the Top Ten + DJT and make their trials public 24/7 Mr. Ected Dec 2021 #45
Oh Yes! malaise Dec 2021 #48
The district that keeps on giving Traildogbob Dec 2021 #43
A plot to overthrow the Constitution. Kid Berwyn Dec 2021 #50
For this thread LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2021 #51
THIS malaise Dec 2021 #52
I'm glad the media is making his treason public, even if "Justice" dept does nothing traitorsgalore Dec 2021 #56
Feel the Heat Meadows LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2021 #59
My guess isrhat he's feeling malaise Dec 2021 #61
I think most of the Republicans were involved. Texaswitchy Dec 2021 #62
You will survive once there are malaise Dec 2021 #63
Yeah Texaswitchy Dec 2021 #64

MyOwnPeace

(16,940 posts)
4. The way I see it.....
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 05:37 PM
Dec 2021

Meadows has been 'right behind TFG", just like Gaetz, Graham, Cruz, and all of his other A$$-kissing cronies.....

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
20. Yep, my concern is that TOO MANY, too powerful Republicans were
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 07:13 PM
Dec 2021

All guilty. I suspect that the reason so few Republicans (seriously - just Cheney, Kinzinger and a few others?) are willing to seriously look for the truth and agree to charge ANYONE involved is that it may have involved a huge part of their Congressional membership and would destroy the party. Consider that viewing the power point was done by many top Republicans. Consider the number who voted against Joe Biden's electors even AFTER the disgraceful attempt at a coup.

wnylib

(21,621 posts)
46. Have you read Peril?
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 08:27 PM
Dec 2021

Woodward and Costa say that Milley was trying to form an insider group to protect the country from the abuse of power and attempted coup that he feared might happen. In the book they say that Milley did not trust Meadows and suspected that Meadows might be sympathetic to whatever Trump and his group were planning.

Turns out that Milley was more right than he realized.

TheBlackAdder

(28,222 posts)
58. I'm getting flashbacks of Bridgegate. If there just a slight tie to Trump, he'll deny it
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 12:41 AM
Dec 2021

.

Christie appears to pretend he doesn't know what happened, even though the one lady sat nearby to him and all involved were friends. Christie denied and the others fried. Meadows might be the point to received all the calls and Trump will claim he held everything back. Just a hunch.

.

LymphocyteLover

(5,654 posts)
60. Good point... I was sprprised that Christie never got in any real trouble for that episode though
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 03:22 PM
Dec 2021

his poll numbers died.

I suppose Meadows may take the fall for Trump, to keep him out of jail.

CanonRay

(14,119 posts)
8. I'll believe it when I see it.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 05:41 PM
Dec 2021

The big shots get away with everything. I have zero confidence in our "justice" system

DeeNice

(575 posts)
13. He got to be a right wing hero instead.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 05:59 PM
Dec 2021

And quite probably helped lay the groundwork for the current zeitgeist. The gaslighting does go a lot further back, but it got traction in the Reagan years.

mn9driver

(4,428 posts)
14. Some of Nixon's stooges went to jail, briefly.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 06:00 PM
Dec 2021

That was the last time I recall ever seeing any kind of accountability for criminal behavior in office.

I won’t be holding my breath. The system shows every sign of being broken.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
44. And Ford set the precedent that the president IS above the law.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 08:06 PM
Dec 2021

We'd better hope Trump is convicted in a state court, like New York, because the next GQP president will absolutely pardon him if he is every convicted on federal charges.

triron

(22,023 posts)
24. Trump and his band of criminals tried to overthrow the government.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 07:36 PM
Dec 2021

What higher crime is there? They should all be executed.
If DOJ does nothing it has handed the government to traitors.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,659 posts)
28. Go read the constitution for the legal definition of treason.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 07:47 PM
Dec 2021

Nobody, not even the Rosenbergs, has been convicted of treason since WWII.

Even a charge of sedition is extremely difficult to convict (look up DOJ’s record on prosecuting sedition).

Obstruction of a Govt. Proceeding, which Carries the same max. Sentence (20 years) as sedition, along with Conspiracy to defraud the government, and possibly Insurrection, appear to be the most serious charges likely to be filed against the insurrectionists and those who incited them.

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
36. Yes, you nailed it,
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 07:53 PM
Dec 2021

the charge of obstructing a government proceeding came in sentencing of a 1/6 traitor by a Trump appointed judge. Oh, the irony. Now, I ask Merrick Garland to read this Trump appointed judge's opinion and get to charging traitors with it. Enough of these trespassing charges.

I can't wait for the select committee to meet tonight, it damned well better be televised. I hear they are going to do more than just vote to charge Meadows with failure to honor a subpoena.

Someone better cover it live.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,659 posts)
53. The DOJ *did* bring the obstruction charges for those who showed intent to obstruct.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 08:53 PM
Dec 2021

Those charged with simple trespass had no evidence showing they had intent to obstruct, but many cooperated (in addition to pleading guilty to trespass charges) by sharing their photos and video that provided evidence against those who did show intent.

If DOJ had charged the trespassers with obstruction and taken them to trial they 1) likely wouldn’t have gotten convictions, and 2) wouldn’t have gotten the evidence to convict the actual obstructors.

 

monkeyman1

(5,109 posts)
31. that should be mandated , more than c-19 !!
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 07:49 PM
Dec 2021

I'D like to see a Nuremberg style court for TFG treason act of against U.S. !!!

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,480 posts)
57. I think
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 12:30 AM
Dec 2021

They should be executed because if they aren't locked up and die in jail
They will just regroup and they'll try again.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,659 posts)
26. I'm hoping that the testimony of Pence's COS Marc Short will be the final nail in the coffin
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 07:43 PM
Dec 2021

Short could potentially be the John Dean of the January 6 investigation.

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
41. I don't think Trump ever liked or trusted Pence very much.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 08:05 PM
Dec 2021

I think Pence was not very much in the loop.

wnylib

(21,621 posts)
54. Trump's narcissism and paranoia
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 08:58 PM
Dec 2021

could never tolerate having a real second in command. He had to have a vanilla character like Pence to fill the title and stay in the shadows.

gab13by13

(21,408 posts)
29. How many GQPers in Congress
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 07:48 PM
Dec 2021

knew about the power point document and did nothing, which makes them accomplices.

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
33. If he walks and smell like a duck, he is fucked....
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 07:49 PM
Dec 2021

Who the hell does a power point? I use them for history photo displays, not coups.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
38. I would almost - ALMOST - allow all of them to walk
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 08:00 PM
Dec 2021

If DJT was held to account for his actions from 2016 to date. Every single crime adjudicated and every single sentence applied.

Yeah, that would certainly soothe the soul.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
45. Isolate it to the Top Ten + DJT and make their trials public 24/7
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 08:07 PM
Dec 2021

And you have yourself a deal, malaise!

Traildogbob

(8,827 posts)
43. The district that keeps on giving
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 08:05 PM
Dec 2021

North Carolina 11th. Meadows and now Cawthorn. So proud. (No sarcasm symbol strong enough)

Kid Berwyn

(14,971 posts)
50. A plot to overthrow the Constitution.
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 08:40 PM
Dec 2021

That makes the plotters to be traitors.

Can’t wait to hear the “complete story” and to learn their identities.

traitorsgalore

(1,396 posts)
56. I'm glad the media is making his treason public, even if "Justice" dept does nothing
Mon Dec 13, 2021, 10:19 PM
Dec 2021

Everyone knows we don't have justice in the U.S., but at least sometimes we get to see some evidence.

Texaswitchy

(2,962 posts)
62. I think most of the Republicans were involved.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 05:32 PM
Dec 2021

I just hope we survive without a lot of bloodshed.

We were lucky on the 1/6.

Next time we might not.


Texaswitchy

(2,962 posts)
64. Yeah
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 05:44 PM
Dec 2021

Serious consequences.

I hope this will happen.

If not the Republicans will steal the midterms.

They are working on it now.

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