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PJMcK

(22,040 posts)
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:26 AM Dec 2021

A theory about Bill Barr

It has always struck me as odd that Barr resigned after the election in 2020. Why wouldn’t he just hang around until the end as many cabinet members have done?

He told Trump that the Department of Justice had not found any evidence of voter fraud that would influence the election’s outcome and that Trump had lost fair and square. This destroys Trump’s assertions that the election was rigged.

I believe Barr knew of the voting challenges and insurrectionist plans Trump & Co. we’re plotting and he resigned early to protect himself. After all, in all of the investigations so far, have you seen Barr’s name mentioned?

Barr may turn out to be the savviest of the Trump mob.

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A theory about Bill Barr (Original Post) PJMcK Dec 2021 OP
Barr was 100% the smartest of this crooked criminal bunch. lark Dec 2021 #1
Success is knowing when to run away. The Wizard Dec 2021 #2
Coup was a bridge too far? moondust Dec 2021 #3
He will come to regret the Mueller report edit. marble falls Dec 2021 #4
THIS malaise Dec 2021 #8
He needs to testify MyMission Dec 2021 #5
We will be watching tanks parade down Pennsylvania Avenue gab13by13 Dec 2021 #10
The Jan 6th Select Committee might call him in KS Toronado Dec 2021 #25
I fear you are correct MyMission Dec 2021 #36
He got scared and ran. He remembers John Mitchell Walleye Dec 2021 #6
... trusty elf Dec 2021 #7
love the forked tongue NJCher Dec 2021 #15
You're the best malaise Dec 2021 #24
Fuck Barr gab13by13 Dec 2021 #9
Absolutely, a coup was a bridge to far even for him. 2Gingersnaps Dec 2021 #11
No way the NG was going to fight against gab13by13 Dec 2021 #12
I think you are right. bottomofthehill Dec 2021 #14
I think you're spot-on with this assessment. n/t Mister Ed Dec 2021 #16
Wrong, you miss the point and the plan. zaj Dec 2021 #18
You are welcome to have that opinion, gab13by13 Dec 2021 #23
Occam's Razor, 100%... but... zaj Dec 2021 #33
Yes, when he resigned, the timing made me think some evil was afoot. Irish_Dem Dec 2021 #13
Good point PatSeg Dec 2021 #17
OR.... FG cleaned house in anticipation. Replacing people Laura PourMeADrink Dec 2021 #19
Barr may turn out to be the smoking gun. nt SayItLoud Dec 2021 #20
Yeah, he jumped off the Trump Treason Train. Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #21
i hope he spends his days squirming, barbtries Dec 2021 #22
He was for him before he was against him! czarjak Dec 2021 #26
Barr knew Trump had lost and didn't want to fight a losing legal battle. LeftInTX Dec 2021 #27
I wonder if he Rebl2 Dec 2021 #31
We probably won't ever know... LeftInTX Dec 2021 #34
Kenny Rogers song says it best. patphil Dec 2021 #28
The first rat to desert a sinking ship is still a rat RainCaster Dec 2021 #29
They Tried to start a fight but BLM and antifa didn't show. We Ruined their party. flying_wahini Dec 2021 #30
A former A.G. should show up for an invite to testify, Barr shouldn't have to be subpoenaed TeamProg Dec 2021 #32
I felt that about Barr at the time he resigned. Jan 6 was in the future but being talked about Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2021 #35

lark

(23,138 posts)
1. Barr was 100% the smartest of this crooked criminal bunch.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:29 AM
Dec 2021

He clearly saw the peril and bailed to protect his ability to earn more $$$.

MyMission

(1,850 posts)
5. He needs to testify
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:40 AM
Dec 2021

About what he knew, what he suspected, and why he left when he did.

I've been saying this since the coup attempt. He knows things. Granted, he was out of the loop when the insurrection happened, but he must have knowledge of early ideas and plans.
I wonder why they haven't issued a subpoena?

gab13by13

(21,379 posts)
10. We will be watching tanks parade down Pennsylvania Avenue
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 10:21 AM
Dec 2021

before anyone gets Barr to testify. Testify before whom, DOJ?

MyMission

(1,850 posts)
36. I fear you are correct
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 02:17 PM
Dec 2021

I don't see him testifying. I know he knows stuff.
But he should be subpoenaed by the 1/6 committee, or DOJ.
About the conversations that led to his resignation...and was he asked to resign?

Walleye

(31,035 posts)
6. He got scared and ran. He remembers John Mitchell
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 10:14 AM
Dec 2021

One rule of business that I have come to understand, and didn’t before is, “cut your losses”

gab13by13

(21,379 posts)
9. Fuck Barr
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 10:19 AM
Dec 2021

Yeah he left to save his ass but he also hired special counsel John Durham to dig up dirt on president Biden. Barr also put guardrails around Durham so that he couldn't be fired. Durham is still getting paid today to dig up dirt on Biden. So yeah, Barr may be gone but Durham is not.

2Gingersnaps

(1,000 posts)
11. Absolutely, a coup was a bridge to far even for him.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 10:22 AM
Dec 2021

Secretary Esper also refused to turn the military on civilians, that was why he was fired and replaced with Miller that last month. So that was why the seditionist had to go with the NG. Kind of like using ICE and CBP in Portland and Seattle. His dependable Brownshirts.

gab13by13

(21,379 posts)
12. No way the NG was going to fight against
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 10:28 AM
Dec 2021

Capitol police and local law enforcement. this theory is getting too deep. Someone delayed deployment of the Guard, that is the story.

bottomofthehill

(8,338 posts)
14. I think you are right.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 10:34 AM
Dec 2021

Occupy the Guard with the Protection of the “protesters” then they are not in use to protect the Capitol is the more likely than using them as troops to storm the building.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
18. Wrong, you miss the point and the plan.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 10:55 AM
Dec 2021

The plan was to withhold the NG until "BLM" and "Antifa" showed up as a counter-protest. And then release them to "protect the Trump supporters". But there were no counter-protests and the violence and rioting was entirely Trump supporters. So the national guard was held back until it couldn't be justified anymore.

gab13by13

(21,379 posts)
23. You are welcome to have that opinion,
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 11:04 AM
Dec 2021

to me the notion of Antifa and BLM showing up was a smoke screen. There was absolutely no intelligence that Antifa or BLM was going to counter-protest. The intelligence was the opposite, those groups were being told to stay away.

With that said, the traitors knew that Antifa and BLM wasn't going to show up but they may have used that lie to try to get the Guard to fight with the traitors. To me that's a pretty far fetched idea.

Occam's Razor - the Guard's deployment was delayed.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
33. Occam's Razor, 100%... but...
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 12:32 PM
Dec 2021

Agreed, always apply Occam's Razor until it fails.

Agreed, the NG was told to stand down.

But...

Believing that "Antifa or BLM ... were being told to stay away" means "the traitors knew that Antifa and BLM wasn't going to show up".... makes no sense.

BLM and Antifa are movements, not organizations. To assume that millions of individuals in a loose movement function with orderly discipline, and follow "start away" orders... makes no sense.

That literally near-zero counter protesters would show up... makes no rational sense.

Occam's Razor says...

1) MAGA's biggest moment in history will organically draw counter protesters... That's a rational assumption.

2) Meadows was being candid in saying that the NG leadership was there to protect trumpers... That's a rational assumption.

3) That the NG weren't there to protect them *from* capitol police... That's a rational assumption.

4) But the Trump standard for deployment of the NG was "when counter protesters turn this thing violent"... That's a rational assumption.

In the end, it's reasonable to assume there was a strategy to all this. And it's reasonable to assume they held the NG back for both reasons... Because there was never a counter protest to justify a military coup. And because they waited for the proud boy militia ops plan to be executed.

Irish_Dem

(47,222 posts)
13. Yes, when he resigned, the timing made me think some evil was afoot.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 10:29 AM
Dec 2021

He was getting out of Dodge to keep his hands clean.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
19. OR.... FG cleaned house in anticipation. Replacing people
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 10:56 AM
Dec 2021

with stooges. Or maybe a bit of both?

Someone here at DU talked a lot about this back then. Will have to dig through my posts to see if I can remember who it was. At that point it was more about trying to figure out why people were leaving. Best I can remember our guess was that FG was trying to avoid being declared crazy with the 25th. Actings can't vote.

barbtries

(28,809 posts)
22. i hope he spends his days squirming,
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 11:01 AM
Dec 2021

because he's an evil fuck even if he is smarter than the average trumpster.

LeftInTX

(25,480 posts)
27. Barr knew Trump had lost and didn't want to fight a losing legal battle.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 11:15 AM
Dec 2021

Even McConnell and Cornyn were saying that Biden had won.

We won't find a connection to Barr and Jan 6th. He was gone by then.

Rebl2

(13,539 posts)
31. I wonder if he
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 12:29 PM
Dec 2021

had heard talk of planning a coup well before he left and decided to get out quick.

patphil

(6,196 posts)
28. Kenny Rogers song says it best.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 11:30 AM
Dec 2021

You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run.

Barr definitely knew it was time to walk away.
He may be a dishonest, self-serving a-hole, but he ain't no fool.
Toppling the Republic was not something he wanted to be part of, but then he wasn't about to blow the whistle on what they were doing either. That would have been risky for him also.

So, he resigned and let Trump and his supporters do what they wanted to do.
That still marks him as a part of the attempted coup. He could have stopped it if he stayed on and used the power of his office to prevent it from happening. But he didn't.

He's someone the January 6th committee really needs to talk to.

TeamProg

(6,189 posts)
32. A former A.G. should show up for an invite to testify, Barr shouldn't have to be subpoenaed
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 12:29 PM
Dec 2021

to force him to answer questions.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,027 posts)
35. I felt that about Barr at the time he resigned. Jan 6 was in the future but being talked about
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 02:09 PM
Dec 2021

People like me well outside of DC knew something was in the wind. There was chatter on RW sites.

Before the election:

My prediction: Trump will win resoundingly on election night. They will still count mail-in and "newly found" ballots for a month until they declare Biden the winner of "the popular vote". The Electoral College will elect Trump anyway and the Left will be calling for its elimination, as usual.
18 posted on 10/7/2020, by BitWielder1 (I'd rather have Unequal Wealth than Equal Poverty.)


Tweet by tRump Dec 19:
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump Peter Navarro releases 36-page report
alleging election fraud 'more than sufficient' to swing victory to
Trump https://washex.am/3nwaBCe. A great report by
Peter. Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election. Big
protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!


Start gathering at the Supreme Court building and give those pussies in black robes a real scare. A couple of flat bed trucks with gallows built on them would be nice for effect.
38 posted on 12/19/2020, by Colo9250


You have a lot to learn about martial law Grasshopper. Congress won’t
be in session and neither will SCOTUS.
75 posted on 12/19/2020, by Georgia Girl 2


If it isn’t an armed revolt is will be waste of time.
99 posted on 12/19/2020, by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Have!)


emphasis added:
Just speaking hypothetically... How many people would it take to storm the capital?
266 posted on 12/19/2020, by BigEdLB (All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others-George Orwell)


Lara Trump Explains How Donald Trump Will Secure Re-Election on January 6, 2021
Dr. Gina, Posted on 12/31/2020,


Trump wants Patriots to show up in Washington on the 6th at 11 am. And it isn’t to all sing Kumbaya. That’s why it’s different.
38 posted on 1/1/2021, by bramps (It's the Islam, stupid!)


PhiloBedo, in short, we are ready. Most of us support Trump. We have been training for months. Our special forces are on standby. Milley had to say what he said. POTUS rearranged the chain of command for special forces units. He and the SECDEF are letting things play out for now but that will not always be the case. Stay tuned.
143 posted on 1/1/2021, by BlackFemaleArmyColonel (No weapon formed against me shall prosper! (Isaiah 54:17)


There is going to be violence. Antifa and BLM will see to it that is true. And, the media will blame it all on the Proud Boys and Trump supporters.
12 posted on 1/3/2021, by Kazan

They media won't blame anybody if they are the first ones on the list.
20 posted on 1/3/2021, by The Duke (President Trump = America's Last, Best Chance)

They will be the biggest target.
31 posted on 1/3/2021, by cowboyusa (America Cowboy up!)

POTUS has been itching to invoke the Insurrection Act on these punks. He hasn't done it for political reasons, but after Jan. 6th, he won't be restrained. For events in D.C., he has clear authority to act, take control of the local police, etc.
35 posted on 1/3/2021, by Dr. Franklin
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