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SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:03 PM Dec 2021

Omicron is spreading faster than any other Covid variant, WHO warns

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/12/14/who-says-omicron-is-spreading-at-a-rate-not-seen-with-any-other-covid-variant.html

"Omicron is spreading at a rate we have not seen with any previous variant," WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said during a Covid update in Geneva
"The reality is that omicron is probably in most countries, even if it hasn't been detected yet," he said.

Tedros said vaccines alone will not protect against omicron. He called for countries to use masks, social distancing, proper ventilation and hand hygiene to prevent contagion.

More at link. This is consistent with Dr. Eric Ding's twitter.

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Omicron is spreading faster than any other Covid variant, WHO warns (Original Post) SheltieLover Dec 2021 OP
And so we start another year living with COVID. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2021 #1
Yup SheltieLover Dec 2021 #2
Thank you Delphinus Dec 2021 #3
Here's his link SheltieLover Dec 2021 #4
Yes that is what I'm hearing from my sources as well bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #5
Dr. Ding states more contagious but milder will result in many more deatgs SheltieLover Dec 2021 #7
How will milder disease lead to MORE deaths??? beaglelover Dec 2021 #9
Probably because more people will catch it. Therefore more will die from it. boston bean Dec 2021 #10
If you cut the fatality rate in half, but double infectivity, you get the same number dead NickB79 Dec 2021 #13
Exactly. Many people here don't get it. LisaL Dec 2021 #15
1 person has died from Omicron worldwide so far. beaglelover Dec 2021 #27
Yeah, gotcha, thanks bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #11
There's been 1 death from Omicron worldwide so far. beaglelover Dec 2021 #6
Good news? SheltieLover Dec 2021 #8
I guess one way for the serious part of the pandemic to end... BlueCheeseAgain Dec 2021 #23
There are many liberals who don't want the pandemic to end. Drunken Irishman Dec 2021 #24
I'm with you 100%! beaglelover Dec 2021 #28
In South Africa hospitals have not been overwhelmed and deaths Tomconroy Dec 2021 #12
Take a look at this Harvard epidemiologist's twitter SheltieLover Dec 2021 #14
I think this is a pretty good article from a Canadian newspaper Tomconroy Dec 2021 #16
29% less severe doesn't exactly sound super exciting. LisaL Dec 2021 #17
Try looking at UK Hospitals. That picture is pretty clear now. JanMichael Dec 2021 #18
Yep. It's not good. LisaL Dec 2021 #19
At the moment UK hospitalizations are pretty low. Obviously Tomconroy Dec 2021 #20
They are because they know what has started. JanMichael Dec 2021 #21
I have no idea. Tomconroy Dec 2021 #22
Omicron is the variant that will push the pandemic into 2023. roamer65 Dec 2021 #25
Well even if it is less severe, it shouldn't be taken lightly mvd Dec 2021 #26

OAITW r.2.0

(24,504 posts)
1. And so we start another year living with COVID.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:07 PM
Dec 2021

Year 3. More time alone and masks/social distancing in the public. But, freedumb!

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
2. Yup
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:08 PM
Dec 2021


Per Dr. Ding's twitter, a much more contagious, but milder, disease will have many more fatilities. 😓 (He isa Harvard epidemiologist.)

Delphinus

(11,831 posts)
3. Thank you
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:15 PM
Dec 2021

I haven't read him for a few days - what with our governmental events here - and will go find him.

bucolic_frolic

(43,182 posts)
5. Yes that is what I'm hearing from my sources as well
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:22 PM
Dec 2021

But the outcome of Omicron cases is not being reported much. First they said it was mild, then they said it's spreading, then they haven't said much, some vaccines are defensive against it, some not. You don't know what to think.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
7. Dr. Ding states more contagious but milder will result in many more deatgs
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:26 PM
Dec 2021

I read his twitter. He is a Harvard epidemiologist & absolutely tells it like it is! Has been 100% correct all along.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DrEricDing?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor



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NickB79

(19,253 posts)
13. If you cut the fatality rate in half, but double infectivity, you get the same number dead
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:50 PM
Dec 2021

The faster spread compensates for the lower lethality.

Now, if you cut it's lethality in half, but TRIPLE the infectivity, you end up with 50% MORE dead.

And if you flood the hospitals with sick people, the medical personnel are overwhelmed and can't give quality care to patients. Patients who would have lived with sufficient care, die instead.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
15. Exactly. Many people here don't get it.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 11:17 PM
Dec 2021

If it spreads faster and infects more people (which it certainly looks to be doing), more people end up in hospitals which are already overwhelmed.
Then even those who can be saved might end up dead.
It is also easily breaking through the vaccines.
It could always be worse-it could have been more infectious and more lethal. But it isn't exactly good.

beaglelover

(3,486 posts)
27. 1 person has died from Omicron worldwide so far.
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 12:01 PM
Dec 2021

So, it's very likely if one is infected with Omicron they'll have some sniffles and maybe a cough. They aren't going to be rushing to the ER to suck on a ventilator.

bucolic_frolic

(43,182 posts)
11. Yeah, gotcha, thanks
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:41 PM
Dec 2021

Counties here reporting more cases all of a sudden, so this wave is building. Back to masking I guess.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,654 posts)
23. I guess one way for the serious part of the pandemic to end...
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 12:44 AM
Dec 2021

... is for a very common, very mild variant to dominate, and to crowd out the deadlier ones. Whether omicron is that one isn't clear yet, I guess.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
24. There are many liberals who don't want the pandemic to end.
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 12:58 AM
Dec 2021

Every new variant means we need to hole ourselves up in our houses again. That mentality is just killing us. I could understand it when the vaccine wasn't available but not now - not with a vaccine readily available for anyone who wants it. The fact remains, a staggering amount of people who are dying are the unvaccinated. This remains a pandemic of the unvaccinated. For me? I have more or less returned to my 2019 life. The only difference is that I work from home. But I go out. I meet with friends. I've gone to concerts. I've gone to movies. I've gone drinking. I will wear a mask. I will keep up with my boosters. But I am not going to spend the next ten years locked down because 30% of the country refuses to get vaccinated.

beaglelover

(3,486 posts)
28. I'm with you 100%!
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 12:03 PM
Dec 2021

I'm back to living my life. I even go into the office 3 days a week. It's not healthy physically or emotionally to stay at home. Get out, breathe some fresh air and live your life! Wear a mask when warranted and get your booster shot(s).

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
12. In South Africa hospitals have not been overwhelmed and deaths
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 09:46 PM
Dec 2021

have not increased but it's probably too early to know what's going on for sure. We should have a clearer picture by the end of the year.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
17. 29% less severe doesn't exactly sound super exciting.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 11:37 PM
Dec 2021

Especially since it is more infectious and is able to break through the vaccines more easily.

JanMichael

(24,890 posts)
18. Try looking at UK Hospitals. That picture is pretty clear now.
Tue Dec 14, 2021, 11:46 PM
Dec 2021
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/13/covid-nhs-in-crisis-mode-as-hospitals-told-to-discharge-patients-where-possible

That's probably a better comparison.

Omichron is not pie in the sky better. It is vastly more contagious so while it is mildly milder it hits so many more people that hospitals will get overwhelmed again and deaths will continue.
 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
20. At the moment UK hospitalizations are pretty low. Obviously
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 12:25 AM
Dec 2021

they are making preparations. But they don't actually know what is going to happen yet. Too little data.

JanMichael

(24,890 posts)
21. They are because they know what has started.
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 12:31 AM
Dec 2021

"Early evidence shows that Omicron is spreading much faster than Delta and that vaccine protection against symptomatic disease from Omicron is reduced.

"Data on severity will become clearer over the coming weeks but hospitalisations from Omicron are already occurring and these are likely to increase rapidly."

Ok so they aren't bursting at the seams. Yet.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/world-news/uk-raises-covid-alert-level-after-rapid-increase-in-omicron-cases-2648076/amp/1

Go ahead. It'll be fine, right?

mvd

(65,174 posts)
26. Well even if it is less severe, it shouldn't be taken lightly
Wed Dec 15, 2021, 03:16 AM
Dec 2021

No one wants to get it. It’s still COVID and no fun.

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