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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRemember how after 9/11 "the whole country" was "united" around Bush?
Just ask Bill Maher or Susan Sontag (oh wait, shes no longer with us). Or Democrats who were running for re-election in 2002, or John Kerry in 2004. Or Phil Donahue or The Chicks (formerly known as The Dixie Chicks).
And lest we forget, many hundreds if not thousands of Muslim men in the US were rounded up and unlawfully detained in the days and weeks after 9/11. Some were tortured while in detention. Many immigrants were deported. Families were torn apart, and people lived in fear. Guilt by the most tenuous of association, to put it mildly.
Hate crimes against Muslims and people who looked Muslim (notably Sikhs) escalated after 9/11. The Bush administration itself was directing law enforcement to infiltrate mosques and aggressively question Muslim families. John Ashcroft created what amounted to a Muslim registry long before Trump threatened to in the 2016 campaign.
Muslim children were told by their classmates that they or their parents were responsible for 9/11 and should go back to where they came from. Many teachers and parents tolerated and even encouraged this abuse.
Meanwhile, Congresswoman Barbara Lee got tons of hate and death threats for daring to vote no on the blank check given to Bush by Congress to fight a permanent war on terror.
All of this was facilitated by the mainstream media, and mainstream politicians. The uniting was a uniting in fear of the Muslim Other and revanchist, aggressive, violent jingoism.
But America is so POLARIZED these days! Cant we unite around BIPARTISANSHIP?
No offense, but the last time there was across the board bipartisanship in American politics, the US launched an unprovoked and illegal war of aggression and an open-ended war on terror (which in practice was a war on Muslims, and others who were deemed Other, foreign, and un-American). The last time there was strong bipartisanship, the US government was torturing human beings in black sites without charge. The last time there was strong bipartisanship, Dick Cheney was at the height of his power. The last time there was strong bipartisanship, the road to President Donald Trump, Charlottesville, QAnon, and January 6 was being aggressively paved.
Take one look at those people in that other party and tell me again that Democrats need to be more timid, more respectful, more polite, more BIPARTISAN. Please.
Im sorry, but I cant and wont unite with people who want people like me, a left-liberal and Democrat, literally dead. I just cant. Im not forgiving enough for that.
Hey all, think Lincoln shouldve been more conciliatory and bipartisan with the Southern secessionists? Why was mean old Abe not willing to compromise with the Confederates?
/rant
orwell
(7,773 posts)...nor at the start of the Iraq massacre.
I treat 9/11 as LiHop. I treat the start of the second Iraq war as Revenge War Porn for Bush's daddy and wag the dog for the second Bush II election theft.
The last time I "united" with my fellow Americans was when Nixon was impeached...
There has never been anything "united" about the United States.
Raster
(20,998 posts)Iraq had ABSOLUTELLY NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11. If any one country could/should be held responsible, it would be Saudi Arabia, as 15 of the 19 terrorist hijackers were Saudis. Also, there is DIRECT EVIDENCE that certain members of the Saudi royal family provided financial support to the hijackers.
9/11 was LIHOP, for the exact reasons you've specified.
DickKessler
(364 posts)in the days and weeks after 9/11, wasn't it?
Most Muslims in the US at the time - citizens, immigrants, students, tourists - did not have the deep pockets of the Saudi royal family or the bin Ladens. Many of them were rather less fortunate in their dealings with law enforcement and government agencies after the attacks.
Isn't it interesting how, in case after case, across so many different contexts, the rich get special treatment while most everyone else gets screwed over big time? The Saudi elites like the royals and the bin Laden family certainly had access to "rich people's justice" after 9/11.
Raster
(20,998 posts)...were private jets ferrying the wealthy Saudis OUT of the United States to minimize reprisals.
Oh yes, Bandar Bush*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandar_bin_Sultan_Al_Saud
ck4829
(35,077 posts)They were intimidated.
TheRealNorth
(9,481 posts)The MSM went after anyone that dissented.
I believe GWB also warned us to be "careful about what you say" when it came to dissent.
And let's not forget about the "cancelling" of the Dixie Chicks when they denounced GWB.
EX500rider
(10,849 posts)I like to see a source for that.
DickKessler
(364 posts)Without charge, and without any evidence that they had anything to do with the attacks, or terrorism in general.
EX500rider
(10,849 posts)...since there are 3.45 million Muslims in the US and most of them were left alone.
It remains the deadliest terrorist attack in human history and the single deadliest incident for firefighters and law enforcement officers in the history of the United States.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Tickle
(2,525 posts)Muslims? Really?
bif
(22,715 posts)No, 9/11 was an excuse to change everything!
Raster
(20,998 posts)The wish list was already there; waiting for the New Pearl Harbor.
Hekate
(90,714 posts)
Planned Parenthood and every other pro-choice group in another march in Washington. In my home town I united with elderly folks who had lived through WW II in places like Dutch Indonesia and Belgium and England, and who were utterly appalled at the drumbeat for war taking place in the US.
And, thank gods, I had Democratic Underground.
Unity is what you make of it.