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"Jesus died for our sins" (Original Post) The Blue Flower Dec 2021 OP
And he only forgives ReTHUGs malaise Dec 2021 #1
Save this for Easter Tickle Dec 2021 #2
Jesus failed, sin is still with us sanatanadharma Dec 2021 #3
Good post! The Blue Flower Dec 2021 #7
How many people have died for Jesus? Buckeyeblue Dec 2021 #8
There's a reason I put it in quotes The Blue Flower Dec 2021 #12
No doubt billions... IrishAfricanAmerican Dec 2021 #13
Read the instruction manual.... multigraincracker Dec 2021 #4
I never did quite understand the connection bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #5
It's such a weird notion. Croney Dec 2021 #6
Its easy to confuse Jesus with Santa milestogo Dec 2021 #9
You're missing a zero in your number. NNadir Dec 2021 #10
Jesus had to die because God continues to hold a grudge against a woman who ate a piece of fruit. LakeArenal Dec 2021 #11

sanatanadharma

(3,730 posts)
3. Jesus failed, sin is still with us
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 08:48 AM
Dec 2021

God dies for the sins of humanity (or is it inhumanity?).
I do not understand this Theology.
Are we being blamed for God's failures?
Did Jesus die for all sinners or only the ones up to his time?

If my repentance is needed, then Jesus' power must be limited, as it needs my help.
Is Jesus God?
Is God limitless, infinite, all power etc?
If God is limitless, then Jesus' death should have fully eliminated sin for all time and all people.

What is real? Can the unreal become real or the real become unreal?
Is evil real? If it is real, can it be removed? If evil is unreal, it need not be removed?
The Theology suggests that Jesus died for my sins, that Jesus has taken the results of my actions, my karmas.
This sounds like a good deal, but the Theology does not condone 'karma' as real.

Buckeyeblue

(5,502 posts)
8. How many people have died for Jesus?
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:19 AM
Dec 2021

Far more, I'd wager. If it was true, the Jesus story would be beautiful. However, because it's not true, it's quite dangerous. Which is why way more people have died for Jesus, for a fable, a tall tale.

The undoing of humans will be that they weren't able to accept that there was nothing more.

multigraincracker

(32,725 posts)
4. Read the instruction manual....
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 09:06 AM
Dec 2021

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves."

bucolic_frolic

(43,296 posts)
5. I never did quite understand the connection
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 09:09 AM
Dec 2021

Or as my mom would say, "I'm so guilty of everything - what did I do? I'm being punished? For what?"

It's all to create confusion and control. Transsubstantiation, martyrdom, guilt ('I've been so bad, that man suffered because of me!').

They want your fealty, your money, control of you, to perpetuate their own power. Religious capitalism.

Croney

(4,670 posts)
6. It's such a weird notion.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 09:18 AM
Dec 2021

I'm supposed to feel gratitude because a person may or may not have died a horrible death that somehow has something to do with me.

Ok. Thanks a lot. For nothing.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
9. Its easy to confuse Jesus with Santa
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:29 AM
Dec 2021

He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake!

LakeArenal

(28,845 posts)
11. Jesus had to die because God continues to hold a grudge against a woman who ate a piece of fruit.
Sat Dec 18, 2021, 10:38 AM
Dec 2021

God the grudge holder also needs his earthly minions to judge and stone anyone who disagrees. All powerful my ass.

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