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iemanja

(53,074 posts)
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:47 PM Dec 2021

Manchin was upset bill was pushed off til the new year

according to the Washington Post.

Two days later, Manchin huddled on the Senate floor for long conversations with Sens. Michael F. Bennet (D-Colo.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), who had each advocated for major programs that had been included in the version of the bill passed weeks ago by the House and that were at risk by Manchin’s opposition.

But 24 hours later, the White House had made clear the bill would not be happening in 2021, and Manchin was no longer having lengthy floor conversations with Democrats. He instead turned his attention to Republicans, whom he is trying to sell on potential changes to Senate rules.

Manchin made up his mind only in the past day or two, according to a person familiar with the situation, concluding he had exhausted all negotiating options with the White House.

The senator also did not seem pleased with a written statement from Biden on Thursday evening that effectively pushed the negotiations into next year, which had referenced Manchin multiple times.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/manchin-biden-alliance-rift/2021/12/19/674b6e02-60e3-11ec-a7e8-3a8455b71fad_story.html

How is this a reason for tanking the bill? Does anyone buy it? Or did Biden say something in his Thurs statement that would have upset Biden? Anyone have the text of that statement?
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Manchin was upset bill was pushed off til the new year (Original Post) iemanja Dec 2021 OP
JFC! Why does he think the bill was pushed to 2022? He is the reason why it got punted. LonePirate Dec 2021 #1
No kidding Mad_Machine76 Dec 2021 #7
Dunno, but there's no GOOD reason for tanking the bill. elleng Dec 2021 #2
Market predicted to fall in part due to Manchin Joinfortmill Dec 2021 #3
I suspect the market is going to be hit much more by COVID news than Manchin's news onenote Dec 2021 #18
Something isn't right about this story. Manchin has been saying for weeks there was no way the JohnSJ Dec 2021 #4
+1, this is looking more like personality issues masquering Nixie Dec 2021 #5
manchin and sinema have been hanging out with mitch and ignoring President Biden mucifer Dec 2021 #6
LOL, he's full of shit. W_HAMILTON Dec 2021 #8
+ infinity greatauntoftriplets Dec 2021 #10
Manchin is like the appliance repairman agingdem Dec 2021 #15
I think you will not find consistency, or logical arguments based on reliable data, by examining RockRaven Dec 2021 #9
Like tfg he's a professional bullshitter spanone Dec 2021 #11
Classic "mixed message" ymetca Dec 2021 #12
Follow the $. Brainfodder Dec 2021 #13
two options here qazplm135 Dec 2021 #14
I agree with you. iemanja Dec 2021 #16
it's clear why he did that qazplm135 Dec 2021 #19
+1, going on FAUX News to announce it was a punch in the nose. Sounds like he was upset uponit7771 Dec 2021 #29
yeah... that is nonsence Takket Dec 2021 #17
Assholes like to play the victim card, rather than accept any responsibility for their own actions. Doodley Dec 2021 #20
He is a Dictim. A term I learned here. Diablo del sol Dec 2021 #27
He is a Dictim. A term I learned here. Diablo del sol Dec 2021 #28
One man should not be able to do this. babylonsister Dec 2021 #21
I tend to agree Deuxcents Dec 2021 #22
He is a liar. LowerManhattanite Dec 2021 #23
He was the one demanding a 'strategic pause' until 2022, and doing it for months! Celerity Dec 2021 #24
Exactly- I think this story is a plant from Manchin trying to get ahead of the news cycle & markets. Fiendish Thingy Dec 2021 #25
Fuck that bullshit. He's a lying weasel. 58Sunliner Dec 2021 #26

LonePirate

(13,431 posts)
1. JFC! Why does he think the bill was pushed to 2022? He is the reason why it got punted.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:51 PM
Dec 2021

And here I thought I couldn't despise him more after his statements this morning.

Mad_Machine76

(24,445 posts)
7. No kidding
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:01 PM
Dec 2021

I haven't heard a peep from/about Sinema for a moment, so I had assumed that she had been adequately placated, but it was Manchin who was holding up the works that lead the Senate Democrats to give up on it before Christmas. And now, supposedly, he's upset that it was punted (because of him)? JFC

Joinfortmill

(14,477 posts)
3. Market predicted to fall in part due to Manchin
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:56 PM
Dec 2021

statement on Fox. He just created an unholy mess. Monday morning shows should be interesting.

onenote

(42,779 posts)
18. I suspect the market is going to be hit much more by COVID news than Manchin's news
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:28 PM
Dec 2021

This weekend's surge of COVID in NYC has people freaking out in the city where the financial markets are located.

I was in the city this weekend and things were cancelling left and right. There were lines of people getting tested at mobile vans and sidewalk booths and urgent care centers on block after block. The "We're back" signs feel like a bad joke at the moment.

JohnSJ

(92,433 posts)
4. Something isn't right about this story. Manchin has been saying for weeks there was no way the
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 10:56 PM
Dec 2021

bill could be done this year




Nixie

(16,993 posts)
5. +1, this is looking more like personality issues masquering
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:01 PM
Dec 2021

as number issues. He’s probably bent the BIF got held up and is retaliating.

mucifer

(23,575 posts)
6. manchin and sinema have been hanging out with mitch and ignoring President Biden
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:01 PM
Dec 2021

It's REALLY evil .

agingdem

(7,863 posts)
15. Manchin is like the appliance repairman
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:24 PM
Dec 2021

I called to fix a leaking dishwasher...after taking the dishwasher apart he asked me "who's the asshole who installed this thing?"...and I said, "you're the asshole who installed this thing"...Manchin did everything he could to stall and obstruct the BBB and push it into the new year...and now he's throwing a fit because some asshole pushed the BBB into the new year...he's the asshole...Manchin is taking a lot of crap for his self-aggrandizing tone deaf 50 state screw up...congratulation Senator Yacht Guy, you've won the Pariah of the Year Award...attaboy

RockRaven

(15,019 posts)
9. I think you will not find consistency, or logical arguments based on reliable data, by examining
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:06 PM
Dec 2021

Manchin's explanations. It's a waste of your time and energy to engage in that project.

Time and energy better spent on getting more Democrats elected to the Senate.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
12. Classic "mixed message"
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:18 PM
Dec 2021

White House punts, blames Manchin, who punts back on something he already punted on.

Heard it, loud and clear.

Those who are about to die salute you!

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
14. two options here
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:22 PM
Dec 2021

1. The last statement is just wrong, he was fine with moving it.
2. The last statement is true, and thus, in spite of he being the one talking about waiting and taking a pause, he then got upset when they...wait for it...waited and took a pause.

If Manchin was being reasonable, he could have simply said today:

This is the bottom line of what I agree with, and the rest I formally and publicly reject. Maybe he says it's JUST the child tax credit and that is it or whatever he wanted.

He didn't. He took his ball and went home.

Without telling the President personally AND while ignoring his calls.

That tells me he simply doesn't want anything else done. At all. It also tells me he doesn't really see himself as part of Team Democrat anymore.

iemanja

(53,074 posts)
16. I agree with you.
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:24 PM
Dec 2021

He's constantly changed the goal posts. His bs with the child tax credit is an example. The Dems wanted it extended a year, Manchin who opposed the credit said it should be for four years. Then he said the bill was too expensive. He's completely full of shit.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
19. it's clear why he did that
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:33 PM
Dec 2021

he wanted to torpedo BBB because he knew the CTC alone was going to be the cost of the rest of the bill.

He knows it's popular, so in exchange for killing BBB he gets a very popular bill that is more or less permanent that is a win-win for him.

It's dishonest.

Just say no from the start.

This could have all been avoided if he had just said no, I won't do reconciliation on anything. At the start.

Takket

(21,640 posts)
17. yeah... that is nonsence
Sun Dec 19, 2021, 11:26 PM
Dec 2021

"next" year is two weeks from now. what the hell difference does that make? we've been negotiating this bill for 11 months.

 

Diablo del sol

(424 posts)
27. He is a Dictim. A term I learned here.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:00 AM
Dec 2021

Although when I looked it up on Urban Dictionary it had a different meaning.

Usage learned here, a person is a complete DICK. Won’t work with others. Then when the results impact progress, they claim they are the victims.

I believe it was used in regard to Cruz, might have been Gym Jordan. Regardless, Manchin is a Dictim.

 

Diablo del sol

(424 posts)
28. He is a Dictim. A term I learned here.
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 02:01 AM
Dec 2021

Although when I looked it up on Urban Dictionary it had a different meaning.

Usage learned here, a person is a complete DICK. Won’t work with others. Then when the results impact progress, they claim they are the victims.

I believe it was used in regard to Cruz, might have been Gym Jordan. Regardless, Manchin is a Dictim.

Deuxcents

(16,353 posts)
22. I tend to agree
Mon Dec 20, 2021, 12:26 AM
Dec 2021

I’m sick of him as we all know now his plan was to keep the clock moving n his lack of decency to face to face tell Biden . He slithered on to Fox.. he’s a pos. Now what? We’re pissed n rightly so.. where do we go from here? IMO.. this calls for outrage n our leaders need to hear us loud n clear. They’re on another break as they only “work” 191 days out of the year. Keep their feet to the job until they meet their responsibilities. Grow a spine or balls or statesmanship.. or resign.

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