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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsManchin was upset bill was pushed off til the new year
according to the Washington Post.
But 24 hours later, the White House had made clear the bill would not be happening in 2021, and Manchin was no longer having lengthy floor conversations with Democrats. He instead turned his attention to Republicans, whom he is trying to sell on potential changes to Senate rules.
Manchin made up his mind only in the past day or two, according to a person familiar with the situation, concluding he had exhausted all negotiating options with the White House.
The senator also did not seem pleased with a written statement from Biden on Thursday evening that effectively pushed the negotiations into next year, which had referenced Manchin multiple times.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/manchin-biden-alliance-rift/2021/12/19/674b6e02-60e3-11ec-a7e8-3a8455b71fad_story.html
How is this a reason for tanking the bill? Does anyone buy it? Or did Biden say something in his Thurs statement that would have upset Biden? Anyone have the text of that statement?
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)And here I thought I couldn't despise him more after his statements this morning.
Mad_Machine76
(24,445 posts)I haven't heard a peep from/about Sinema for a moment, so I had assumed that she had been adequately placated, but it was Manchin who was holding up the works that lead the Senate Democrats to give up on it before Christmas. And now, supposedly, he's upset that it was punted (because of him)? JFC
elleng
(131,176 posts)'Temper Temper,' as my Dad would say.
Joinfortmill
(14,477 posts)statement on Fox. He just created an unholy mess. Monday morning shows should be interesting.
onenote
(42,779 posts)This weekend's surge of COVID in NYC has people freaking out in the city where the financial markets are located.
I was in the city this weekend and things were cancelling left and right. There were lines of people getting tested at mobile vans and sidewalk booths and urgent care centers on block after block. The "We're back" signs feel like a bad joke at the moment.
JohnSJ
(92,433 posts)bill could be done this year
Nixie
(16,993 posts)as number issues. Hes probably bent the BIF got held up and is retaliating.
mucifer
(23,575 posts)It's REALLY evil .
W_HAMILTON
(7,875 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,753 posts)agingdem
(7,863 posts)I called to fix a leaking dishwasher...after taking the dishwasher apart he asked me "who's the asshole who installed this thing?"...and I said, "you're the asshole who installed this thing"...Manchin did everything he could to stall and obstruct the BBB and push it into the new year...and now he's throwing a fit because some asshole pushed the BBB into the new year...he's the asshole...Manchin is taking a lot of crap for his self-aggrandizing tone deaf 50 state screw up...congratulation Senator Yacht Guy, you've won the Pariah of the Year Award...attaboy
RockRaven
(15,019 posts)Manchin's explanations. It's a waste of your time and energy to engage in that project.
Time and energy better spent on getting more Democrats elected to the Senate.
spanone
(135,892 posts)ymetca
(1,182 posts)White House punts, blames Manchin, who punts back on something he already punted on.
Heard it, loud and clear.
Those who are about to die salute you!
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)EOM.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)1. The last statement is just wrong, he was fine with moving it.
2. The last statement is true, and thus, in spite of he being the one talking about waiting and taking a pause, he then got upset when they...wait for it...waited and took a pause.
If Manchin was being reasonable, he could have simply said today:
This is the bottom line of what I agree with, and the rest I formally and publicly reject. Maybe he says it's JUST the child tax credit and that is it or whatever he wanted.
He didn't. He took his ball and went home.
Without telling the President personally AND while ignoring his calls.
That tells me he simply doesn't want anything else done. At all. It also tells me he doesn't really see himself as part of Team Democrat anymore.
iemanja
(53,074 posts)He's constantly changed the goal posts. His bs with the child tax credit is an example. The Dems wanted it extended a year, Manchin who opposed the credit said it should be for four years. Then he said the bill was too expensive. He's completely full of shit.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)he wanted to torpedo BBB because he knew the CTC alone was going to be the cost of the rest of the bill.
He knows it's popular, so in exchange for killing BBB he gets a very popular bill that is more or less permanent that is a win-win for him.
It's dishonest.
Just say no from the start.
This could have all been avoided if he had just said no, I won't do reconciliation on anything. At the start.
uponit7771
(90,367 posts)Takket
(21,640 posts)"next" year is two weeks from now. what the hell difference does that make? we've been negotiating this bill for 11 months.
Doodley
(9,142 posts)Diablo del sol
(424 posts)Although when I looked it up on Urban Dictionary it had a different meaning.
Usage learned here, a person is a complete DICK. Wont work with others. Then when the results impact progress, they claim they are the victims.
I believe it was used in regard to Cruz, might have been Gym Jordan. Regardless, Manchin is a Dictim.
Diablo del sol
(424 posts)Although when I looked it up on Urban Dictionary it had a different meaning.
Usage learned here, a person is a complete DICK. Wont work with others. Then when the results impact progress, they claim they are the victims.
I believe it was used in regard to Cruz, might have been Gym Jordan. Regardless, Manchin is a Dictim.
babylonsister
(171,100 posts)Have we learned nothing?
Deuxcents
(16,353 posts)Im sick of him as we all know now his plan was to keep the clock moving n his lack of decency to face to face tell Biden . He slithered on to Fox.. hes a pos. Now what? Were pissed n rightly so.. where do we go from here? IMO.. this calls for outrage n our leaders need to hear us loud n clear. Theyre on another break as they only work 191 days out of the year. Keep their feet to the job until they meet their responsibilities. Grow a spine or balls or statesmanship.. or resign.
LowerManhattanite
(2,391 posts)Full stop.