Voting Manchin Out

[Progressive2020]

I don't know if this has been addressed elsewhere, but is anything being done about running a primary candidate against Joe Manchin and voting him out of office? He is a traitor to the Party and opposes something the majority of Americans support.

He is more like a Republican than a Democrat. These people have no problem funding a massive military but when it comes to supporting the working people and the Middle class, then there is no money. Build Back Better would improve the economy, unlike military spending.

There needs to be consequences for Manchin and his disloyalty. He needs to lose his seat. He needs to be voted out.

[iemanja]

1. He loses his seat

and the GOP controls the Senate. Unfortunately that's the case. He's from a Trump humping red state. It's HIGHLY unlikely that another Dem could win in WV.
As frustrating as it is, we're stuck with him.

[Polybius]

2. There's only one way to successfully do it

Find a Democrat to run to his right, beat him in the primary, and win the general election. Because no Democrat to his left can ever win in WV.

[pecosbob]

3. In about four years

Anyway if he doesn't get the coal miner's union back on his side he's toast in 2024.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142843352

[SoCalDavidS]

4. Excellent Way To Lose That Seat. nt

[kelly1mm]

5. Sen Manchin is not up for re-election till 2024

And any other Democrat nominees will virtually ensure another R Senator as WV is a Trump +35 state.

[moose65]

6. He's not up for re-election till 2024

What other Democrat could win in West Virginia??

There was a Senate race in West Virginia in 2020 that was on no one’s radar. Why? Because the Republican won in a 70-30 blowout. Manchin had a close race in 2018.

If he gets primaried out, we lose that race in a similar landslide.

[Amishman]

7. Manchin is quite possibly the only democrat who can win in today's WV, and that's in 2024

WV voted for Orange Julius 2:1 over Joe.

Primarying him would probably just hand the Pubs a seat on a silver platter - and can't be done until 2024

For WV, our choice is between Manchin and someone like Sen. Cotton.

The mistake was expecting anything out of him other than getting Joe's cabinet confirmed and a few judges. Yes votes from him on anything should be viewed as a surprise and a bonus.

This is reality, expecting WV to vote for a real Democrat these days is pure fantasy.

[keep_left]

11. This is really just a pipe dream, but this country needs some old-time labor organizers again...

...of the Mother Jones type. Unfortunately, those types were pretty much eradicated by the first Red Scare beginning in the 1920s. (Chris Hedges has written a couple of good books about such events, including Death of the Liberal Class). I really don't think things will turn around for states like WV without some sort of popular ferment. It really comes down to electing better people, because right now, Manchin is very popular with voters.

[Progressive2020]

8. OK

So if we can't vote Manchin out, is there any other way to hold his feet to the fire? He needs to be held accountable some way.

[RainCaster]

15. Sure-ignore him

Take away his joy by keeping him out of the headlines. Find a retiring GOP Senator who will vote for the BBB bill.

[Mr.Bill]

21. Any republican Senator who votes for that bill

will be flooded with death threats to their entire family, and they know it.

That's where we are now.

[LeftInTX]

20. Elect more Democrats and then he's irrelevant!

It was that way prior to 2014.

[doc03]

9. That would hand the Senate to the Republicans nt

[Hoyt]

10. Disagree with going after Manchin in primary. OK with

criticizing him, twisting arms, appealing to Party, etc.

[orleans]

12. god, i hate defending manchin. nt

[Budi]

13. Sounds good. Got anyone lined up in ruby red WV?

Best wishes & good luck.

We've got better chances primarying an R in Blue State. Especially after we see how they vote on the sectioned off BBB Schumer's presenting after the 1st.

Forget Manchin. Unless he retires.

[Progressive2020]

14. Other States

Since Manchin is secure in his seat in West Virginia, what are some states that we might be able to flip in the Senate?

[OilemFirchen]

18. Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. (n/t)

[gulliver]

16. I focus more on getting back at rat face Putin (who got his looks from his mother)

And the many Republicans who unfortunately disgrace all the rest. They are to be pitied.

[RandPaulsNeighbor]

17. Seriously?

Voting him out votes votes in a hardened racist. Joe M ain't great, but he is better than the facist set to replace him.

[kwolf68]

19. Maybe there is another way

To get someone without accepting a right wing Democrat. For now he is useful because he keeps the Chamber in Dems hands.

However, the Dems CAN find someone. Not a run of the mill Liberal or even a moderate, but a populist that is generally more conservative on social issues (but still more centrist than a far righty), but far more progressive on economics.

In polling West Va residents OVERWHELMINGLY support BBB. Even Republicans in that state do. It's an odd state when you look at polling even though it looks like they are totally off their rocker fascist, I don't think they are. I honestly believe that state is dead red because of Jesus, the Flag, Guns and Gays. Those are the issues they are pretty right on, but I have a strong feeling that state IS open to a more progressive economic vision based on all the numbers I've seen.

I am NOT advocating abandoning our values of tolerance and inclusion just trying to think of a way we can get something positive from these dead red states and not just a Republican posing as a Democrat.

And if we can get politicians like this elected then the value of the Democratic Party will go up, we'll win much more in battleground areas, clean up n the blue areas and can then protect those social issues we care about by protecting the courts, give power back to the people and away from the corporations, and for god sakes do something, anything to protect our Democracy.

If the Reps win the house in 22 and 1600 IN 2024 I think this country is over. So the time bomb is ticking

[LeftInTX]

22. Manchin has always been a conservative, but he wasn't a "problem" until this session

The last time, we had majority, we had 53 Democrats in the Senate, so his leanings were irrelevant.

People complained about it, but there wasn't a mass effort to get rid of him.

The solution is to elect more Democrats to the senate