Putin: Ukraine Belongs to Lenin

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I think the guy is cracking from the stress situation he created. I now realize he's more than just a totalitarian. He's a totalitarian-oligarch-communist. I guess he never really gave up communist ideology, even with all the money he stole from his own people.

Putin Loses His Cool When Confronted Over Ukraine, Claims It Belongs to Lenin Anyway

Vladimir Putin’s normally predictable annual press conference briefly veered off the rails Thursday when the Russian president appeared to lose his cool after being questioned about Moscow’s aggression in Ukraine.

When a reporter for Sky News asked whether Moscow could give security guarantees and promise not to invade its neighbor, Putin exploded: “You are demanding guarantees from us? It’s you who should give us guarantees. Immediately. Right now. And not talk it over for decades.”

His comments came as Ukraine released satellite images it said showed more Russian forces building up at its border, and the Russian Defense Ministry announced massive “attack” drills in Crimea.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-loses-cool-confronted-over-115824324.html

Click on "story continues" at bottom of article in the link for his Lenin comment.

[GoCubsGo]

1. Meanwhile, the GQP loves this guy, yet calls the Dems "communists"...

Talk about a disconnect. Can't wait to see how they rationalize this.

[Lovie777]

2. He's a dictator, plan and simple . . ....

He doesn't mind hurting and killing anyone that does not agree with him. Sounds familiar?

[Klaralven]

3. Prior to WW I Ukraine was part of either Russia or Austria-Hungary

The western part around the city of Lviv (Russian Lvov, German Lemberg) was part of Austria Hungary. Lemberg itself was a combination of German, Jewish, Polish and Ukrainian populations surrounded by rural Ukrainian and Polish populations.

Crimea was always Russian since it had been liberated from the Turks. The Don Basin was largely Russian, since immigrants from the Russian Empire had migrated to what was then the center of iron and steel making and heavy industry.

The central part of Ukraine was also ruled by Russia.

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5. The Ukrainian People

have been fighting off foreign invaders for centuries. We can argue all day long over which invader you think has a right to Ukrainian land. In the end, Ukrainians will always be the indigenous people of Ukraine. The Russian planned genocide of millions of Ukrainians, the Holodomor, left eastern Ukraine desolate. The communists settled Russian people to repopulate the area. So now, per Putin, it's Russian land. Ha! Go figure.

[Tommy Carcetti]

8. Ukraine has been a nation state for over a millennium.

Centuries ago, it was its own principality. Its borders since got subsumed by the Russian empire through various wars and agreements, although you are correct in that the Austro-Hungarian Empire did control portions of its west up until World War II. When the Russian Empire fell, Ukraine briefly declared its own independence, only to falter and fall back under the new Soviet rule. Crimea has not always been Russian, although Russia had controlled it since the days of Catherine. The Tatars remained a strong presence in Crimea until most of them were deported from the region under Stalin.

Ukrainians have always held their own distinct language and culture apart from Russia, although it was severely repressed under both Czar and Soviet rule. Even so, many Ukrainians who grew up speaking Russian and still speak Russian nonetheless consider themselves Ukrainians and not Russians.

Ukraine as a nation state existed long, long before World War II regardless of shifting boundaries and governing empires.

[Klaralven]

10. Between WW I and II, western Ukraine was part of Poland

Kievan Rus disintegrated around the 1200s and was overrun by the Golden Horde. It was never a nation state thereafter until briefly after WW I.

After being liberated from the Mongols and later the Crimean Khanate and Ottomans, it was part of either the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth or the Russian Empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Crimea

[Tommy Carcetti]

11. Yes. I know. You're talking to someone whose family came from that region.

And whose family was Ukrainian.

The bottom line is that Ukraine is in no way a 20th Century invention.

Ukraine and Ukrainians as a people have existed for centuries, back to the days of the Kievan Rus, regardless of any dominating empires over the territory.

[Celerity]

17. Thank you for bringing historical facts to the fore, as many want to play revisionist games to fit

their particular narrative.

[harumph]

18. Bottom line: majority of Ukrainians don't want mother Russia

to dominate them.

[Tommy Carcetti]

19. Exactly. nt

[pecosbob]

4. I believe in the quote he says Lenin created Ukraine, not that Ukraine belongs to Lenin

We also don’t remember who created Ukraine–Lenin Vladimir Ilyich, when he created the Soviet Union.”

The we ostensibly refers to the West.


Here the author inserts own his phrase...

Visibly angry, he went on to vent frustration over the idea of a sovereign Ukraine, suggesting the country actually belongs to Vladimir Lenin.

[leftstreet]

20. +1

[Deuxcents]

6. Lenin is dead

Ukraine belongs to the people of Ukraine and they have a right to their destiny.

[former9thward]

7. Ukraine is very complicated.

Kyiv, the capital of Ukraine, was the original capital or center of Rus which was what modern Russia came from. Ukraine was a Republic of the Soviet Union. During WW II some Ukrainians fought on the side of the Nazis. Biden has said the U.S. will not militarily intervene in case of a Russian invasion. That is the correct call in my view.

[pecosbob]

9. Complicated is an understatement

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13. Yes, Russia came from Ukrainian Rus

Which many Slavs called themselves (Rus) a few thousand years ago. So Ukraine should not exist and be part of Russia? As for the Nazi issue, every European country had Nazi sympathizers fighting for the nazi’s save for one, Poland. The Ukrainian Nazi meme is pushed by the Russians to this day to undermine Ukraine. Maybe Germany, France, England, etc. should not exist? Research and dig up the truth. It might be enlightening.

[FakeNoose]

12. Uhhh ... nope! Not even close

Even IF it were true (and it's not) how does that give non-communist anti-Bolshevik Vladimir Putin's Russia any claim to Ukraine?

[uponit7771]

14. Putin The Pimp is wrong, Texas & Cali belong to the Native Americans not Mexico and in that case

... Ukraine would belong to ... lol, Ukraine.

His memory is as selective as his whore, "Benedict" Donald J Trump

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15. "His memory is as selective as his whore, "Benedict" Donald J Trump"

Love it!!

[uponit7771]

16. 👍🏾

[David__77]

21. Putin's point was that Lenin recognized Ukraine as a nation.

And, at least nominally, one with a right to self-determination. Putin doesn’t like that, and criticizes Lenin on that account. Putin does not like that Russia is constitutionally a multi-national state- he’s a Russian nationalist and not pro-socialist.