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RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
Sat Dec 25, 2021, 05:34 PM Dec 2021

Clergy fleeing their ministries due to fights with parishioners over politics: report

[Excellent, they should flee!!! IMO there is far too much political bullshit going on in churches.]

https://www.alternet.org/2021/12/clergy-church/

According to a report from the Washington Post, religious institutions in the United States are seeing an exodus of clergy members who have grown weary of secular politics invading their conversations and counseling with parishioners.

As Michele Boorstein documents, churches are undergoing a "crisis" as pastors and clergy members abandon their posts and look for greener pastures with the past few years of political strife taking its toll.

As Boorstein writes, there has been an "exodus of clergy who have left ministry in the past couple years because of a powerful combination of pandemic demands and political stress. Amid fights about masks and vaccine mandates, to how far religious leaders can go in expressing political views that might alienate some of their followers, to whether Zoom creates or stifles spiritual community, pastoral burnout has been high."

Citing a recent poll that revealed 38 percent said of Protestant pastors claimed, "they’d considered quitting full-time ministry in the past year," the report notes that "stress levels are through the roof" for the clergy in recent years.

According to Matthew Manion, director of the Center for Church Management at Villanova University, "Clergy are meant to be there for all their people — so if their people are having more challenges, more stress — and what’s made it particularly challenging is they can’t be together in their normal ways of being together. Spiritual counseling and being present for people is very, very difficult."

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abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
1. I've always thought that separation of church and state is a good thing. It's too bad that there's
Sat Dec 25, 2021, 06:31 PM
Dec 2021

so little of it amongst us humans.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Waaay too simple. There are always costs and hopefully
Sun Dec 26, 2021, 11:49 AM
Dec 2021

bigger benefits to change. Where do you get your instruction in moral principles and practical lessons to help guide you through dilemmas likely to face you today?

DU? (Please say no. Oh, fuck, if that's it.)

Unfortunately, most of these departing pastors are probably more competent to give spiritual and secular guidance than many of those who remain in the most corrupted sects.

That's just one. Here's another, and its huge:

Many/most people have a basic need for spiritual belief systems. Many of those leaving organized religion will become part of the giant market of those seeking spiritual awakening targeted by prophets and hucksters of all types, selling everything from the meaning of life to yoga mats.

Some passionate, and frankly intolerant in the extreme, anti-religionists don't realize theirs is a religion-alternative belief system, just without a diety. They really should considering the hundreds of millions who've been murdered in just the last century by their co-antireligionists in the name of supposedly doing away with religion.

Bettie

(16,111 posts)
12. Except that the ones who are staying
Sun Dec 26, 2021, 01:01 PM
Dec 2021

are most likely the far-right ones. The ones who do preach MAGA from the pulpit.

Right wing religious folks are likely to become even more radicalized.

summer_in_TX

(2,739 posts)
4. Our progressive young pastor has been under attack.
Sat Dec 25, 2021, 07:22 PM
Dec 2021

He moved the flag out of the sanctuary – our Book of Discipline says the flag can't be co-equal to the cross but our old veterans had been ruling the roost a long time.

He and his wife (a pastor of a different denomination) attended a gay pride parade, the first ever held in our town. The very conservative ones left then, some who seemed lovely and respectable writing letters that were very unlovely.

After George Floyd's death, high school kids organized a Black Lives Matter rally in our largely white small town. He came and gave the blessing. A couple of weeks later a black family woke at their cabin in a local result to face a very ugly message. Though many came to support them, they didn't feel welcome and left. Our church was one of many local organizations that put their names on a full page ad that said Black Lives Matter. Those convinced it's a socialist organization left then.

Perhaps a third of the church, especially the older ones, decided he was too political, withdrew their financial support and left. A number of us were thrilled to have a young pastor of great conviction and found it interesting (and God at work again) that through no action of ours, the majority of those present now are progressive, pro-full inclusion. God swept the old conservatives out. Seems meant to be.

Because he is young, during the pandemic he helped our church stay connected and offered excellent worship online – but the church not being open was another sore spot.

We learned a few days ago that he has been offered a college ministry spot that will allow him to get his doctorate and teach and get him away from some. I'm happy that he won't continue to be disrespected in our town by those folks. Good luck to any of those trying to come back after he leaves. Now we need to make sure that our next pastor is also a progressive. It'd be great to have a woman of color, IMO.

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
10. Political Christians rather than Christians of faith.
Sun Dec 26, 2021, 01:12 AM
Dec 2021

Political Christians rather than Christians of faith.

They support Trump who says he is so perfect that he does not need Christ or his forgiveness.

Like today's evangelical/religious right supporters, Trump is a Political Christian, not a Christian of faith.

Evangelicals/religious right are easily able to spin their beliefs for political expediency.

The Donald who does not have to ask Jesus for forgiveness.

The Donald who ridicules Holy Communion.

Trump: Drink my little wine, have my little cracker

http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/08/13/donald-trump-religion-serfaty-dnt-erin.cnn

RussBLib

(9,022 posts)
13. another sign of the perversion and decay of religion
Sun Dec 26, 2021, 01:20 PM
Dec 2021

many of these so-called "Christians" of today have probably not read a word of the bible.

Religion still has far too much influence in our government. Murdering believers is not the answer. It's education, and that means quit brainwashing children at an early age into the church. And, of course, keeping twisted ideas of education based in some religion out of early education too.

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