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Galraedia

(5,027 posts)
Sun Dec 26, 2021, 10:33 PM Dec 2021

Democrats Are Doing Weirdly Well in Redistricting

The Democratic House majority was supposed to die in redistricting. For months now, pundits and political forecasters have predicted that Republicans could win back the House next year without flipping a single voter. After all, the GOP controls far more state governments than the Democrats, and this is a post-Census year, when states redraw their congressional maps. Republicans boast sole authority over the boundaries of 193 congressional districts, while Democrats command just 94. Given the slimness of Nancy Pelosi’s majority, several analyses projected that GOP cartographers would generate enough new, safe “red” seats to retake the House through gerrymandering alone.

This has been a foundational premise of much of my own commentary. And it’s an assumption that’s animated the progressive movement’s push for a package of democracy reforms that would, among other things, forbid partisan redistricting.

But it’s starting to look wrong.

The new House map is more than half finished. And in many states where maps haven’t been finalized, the broad outlines are already visible. Taken together, the emerging picture is far more favorable for Democrats than most anticipated. As of this writing, it looks like the new House map will be much less biased in the GOP’s favor than the old one. And according to at least one analyst, there is actually an outside chance that the final map will be tilted, ever so slightly, in the Democrats’ favor.

Read more: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12/democrats-are-doing-weirdly-well-in-redistricting.html

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Democrats Are Doing Weirdly Well in Redistricting (Original Post) Galraedia Dec 2021 OP
'But it's starting to look wrong.' elleng Dec 2021 #1
Law suits have been filed True Blue American Dec 2021 #23
is it possible they've hit some sort of mathematical limit of redistricting? cadoman Dec 2021 #2
their geographic advantage has been blunted by the suburbs drifting blue Amishman Dec 2021 #21
Well in Illinois the state legislature has given the repubs the old FU and decided mucifer Dec 2021 #3
;-) elleng Dec 2021 #4
Illinois loses a seat this year. I've heard talk of carving up some GOP districts in order Progressive Jones Dec 2021 #15
It's really not gerrymandering in Illinois lees1975 Dec 2021 #16
The game sucks and I wish we didn't have to do it Bettie Dec 2021 #19
Most of the damage was done after 2010.... TheRealNorth Dec 2021 #5
Not in TN. Combined D districts into 1, diluted others by combing them with majority R. SharonAnn Dec 2021 #6
The independent commission in Arizona just produced a map favoring Republicans. former9thward Dec 2021 #7
I looked at Arizona's map and I don't see that. lees1975 Dec 2021 #17
Are you looking at the new map adopted 4 days ago? former9thward Dec 2021 #18
Good info. As others pointed out, GOTV. Hoyt Dec 2021 #8
After the 2010 census, we Dems fell asleep at the wheel FakeNoose Dec 2021 #9
CA, NY and IL. roamer65 Dec 2021 #10
Another article about this on Daily Kos Poiuyt Dec 2021 #11
Katie Porter says she still has a district soldierant Dec 2021 #13
I have thought this as well... the gqp have very little wiggle room! PortTack Dec 2021 #14
I told people this a long time ago. ibegurpard Dec 2021 #12
Yeah by default if there's less districts, has to be more Dems in them than there was. Captain Zero Dec 2021 #20
Dems in array IronLionZion Dec 2021 #22
Yessss. Ron Johnson may be US, the State legislature suppresses votes. LakeArenal Dec 2021 #32
we need rules about redistricting IbogaProject Dec 2021 #24
I agree if everyone did this...but since the GOP will gerrymander, we need to gerrymander all Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #26
In an ideal world, yes... Wounded Bear Dec 2021 #28
I'm in favor to balance against theirs, but we need to take the high ground. IbogaProject Dec 2021 #30
I mean a national standard put in b4 next redistricting IbogaProject Dec 2021 #33
The ratio is 26 GOP and 25 Democratic...so we can fix this. Demsrule86 Dec 2021 #25
The GOP PTB knew this JustAnotherGen Dec 2021 #27
Indeed! nt Wounded Bear Dec 2021 #29
Not Good In Ohio OhioTim Dec 2021 #31

elleng

(131,158 posts)
1. 'But it's starting to look wrong.'
Sun Dec 26, 2021, 10:43 PM
Dec 2021


'The new House map is more than half finished. And in many states where maps haven’t been finalized, the broad outlines are already visible. Taken together, the emerging picture is far more favorable for Democrats than most anticipated. As of this writing, it looks like the new House map will be much less biased in the GOP’s favor than the old one. And according to at least one analyst, there is actually an outside chance that the final map will be tilted, ever so slightly, in the Democrats’ favor. . .

There are two big wild cards left in the redistricting fight: Ohio and North Carolina. In both those states, Republican trifectas have prepared extreme partisan gerrymanders that are currently facing legal challenge. North Carolina’s Supreme Court has a 4-3 Democratic majority. Ohio’s has a 4-3 Republican majority, but one of the GOP justices is a relative moderate. And at oral arguments, the Ohio justices seemed displeased that the Republican map blatantly ignored the state’s constitutional amendment against gerrymandering.

According to Wertheimer’s calculations, if both of those gerrymanders are rolled back, then it is actually possible that the “tipping point” seat in the final, nationwide map will be one that was slightly more Democratic than the nation as a whole in 2020. Which is to say: The House map could end up having a tiny pro-Democratic bias.

This is by no means the likely outcome. But its plausibility underscores a basic fact: The biggest threat to the Democrats’ House majority in 2022 is no longer Republican gerrymandering but rather, the combination of the opposition party’s inherent turnout advantage in midterms and Joe Biden’s dismal poll numbers.'

True Blue American

(17,989 posts)
23. Law suits have been filed
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 01:00 PM
Dec 2021

On the extreme gerrymandering DEWine and his cronies hijacked the bi partisan panel we voted on twice. Voters were up in arms over their cheating, voted overwhelmingly for the committee.

Republicans have forgotten we put Obama over the top, causing Karl Rove to have a hissy fit on Fox and also elected a Democratic Governor.

If those same voters are as angry today as they were back then they maybe in for a surprise this time.

cadoman

(792 posts)
2. is it possible they've hit some sort of mathematical limit of redistricting?
Sun Dec 26, 2021, 10:45 PM
Dec 2021

"Illinois, Oregon, and New York have all pursued aggressive partisan gerrymanders that have subordinated the job security of some incumbents to maximizing the overall number of Democratic-leaning seats. By contrast, Texas Republicans took the opposite approach, opting to fortify their incumbents’ hold on power, at the cost of leaving 13 Democratic-leaning seats on the map. Meanwhile, many red states have no room to improve on existing gerrymanders."

The way the article describes it, we had left gerrymandering options on the table, while repukes had already optimized most of theirs.

I guess the risk of doing a gerrymander though, is if the party as a whole isn't performing well it could leave candidates vulnerable. It's a shame we're so top heavy right now, with broad support for the President but weaker support for House and Senate candidates last election. Hopefully the delay of BBB passing till next election allows us to ride the wave of its benefits and popularity, at just the right time.

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
21. their geographic advantage has been blunted by the suburbs drifting blue
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 09:21 AM
Dec 2021

The suburbs/exurbs had been purple to light red for a while, and recent trends is for them to be purple to light blue. This expands the footprint that they need to slice up, and at the same time gives them less material to work with.

I'm expecting a fairer House map overall, but also a swingier one. More competitive districts, with suburban voters in the spotlight.

mucifer

(23,572 posts)
3. Well in Illinois the state legislature has given the repubs the old FU and decided
Sun Dec 26, 2021, 10:54 PM
Dec 2021

to gerrymander them out. I wish we didn't have to play their game. But, we do.

Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
15. Illinois loses a seat this year. I've heard talk of carving up some GOP districts in order
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 12:40 AM
Dec 2021

to make them tougher for the incumbents to hold on. There are a couple of other districts that need some work, as well. I'm also hoping the Dems can "clean up" some of their solid districts. Yes, the Dems here did some crazy gerrymandering themselves, back in the day. Now it's time modernize those lines.

We're losing Cheri Bustos (IL-17) to retirement.
Her district is very rural. It's a toss up after she leaves. She's been popular, but her district went for Trump in 2020 by a very close margin, and she had a close race herself.

lees1975

(3,879 posts)
16. It's really not gerrymandering in Illinois
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 12:45 AM
Dec 2021

Four out of five Illinoisans live in the seven counties that make up the greater Chicago metro area and while there are a few pockets of predominantly Republican precincts scattered around the suburbs, the population of the area has remained relatively steady, actually grew a little between the censuses, so the only way to redraw the boundaries was to take one Republican district outside the metro area and incorporate it into surrounding districts. Even in the rural parts of Illinois, there are two predominantly Democratic congressional districts, so in order to realign districts to get back to relatively equal population, the GOP lost one district, and a second one currently with a GOP representative has the potential to flip because several predominantly Democratic precincts had to be rolled in to bring the populaton up to the threshold.

Bettie

(16,129 posts)
19. The game sucks and I wish we didn't have to do it
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 01:17 AM
Dec 2021

but, if they are playing that game, we need to do it as well. Gerrymander so hard that they demand non-partisan redistricting.

TheRealNorth

(9,500 posts)
5. Most of the damage was done after 2010....
Sun Dec 26, 2021, 11:04 PM
Dec 2021

But the Republicans are still cracking competitive districts in states like NE and OK to make all the state's seats safe Republican seats.

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
7. The independent commission in Arizona just produced a map favoring Republicans.
Sun Dec 26, 2021, 11:13 PM
Dec 2021

And the vote was unanimous including the 2 Democratic appointees. Right now Democrats control the congressional delegation 5-4. It is expected the Republicans will control 5-4 in most election years and maybe 6-3 in a good Republican year.

lees1975

(3,879 posts)
17. I looked at Arizona's map and I don't see that.
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 12:55 AM
Dec 2021

Epecially not after just having the Democrats win two statewide senate elections and a Democrat carry the state. The closest district is 2, in Southeastern Arizona, the only one that doesn't run through Maricopa county, and already considered a "republican" district, but has elected Democrats more often than Republicans, including Gabby Giffords, Ron Barber and now Ann Kirkpatrick. Arizona's population growth from 20I0 to 2020 didn't generate a new district, but it's over half Latino and about 25% from next door liberal California. I don't see where a Republican will take a seat in Arizona.

former9thward

(32,082 posts)
18. Are you looking at the new map adopted 4 days ago?
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 01:06 AM
Dec 2021

Dist 1 R advantage 2.6%
Dist 2 R advantage 7.2%
Dist 3 D advantage 52.9%
Dist 4 D advantage 7.0%
Dist 5 R advantage 18.0%
Dist 6 R advantage 2.4%
Dist 7 D advantage 35.4%
Dist 8 R advantage 15.3%
Dist 9 R advantage 26.0%

FakeNoose

(32,777 posts)
9. After the 2010 census, we Dems fell asleep at the wheel
Sun Dec 26, 2021, 11:40 PM
Dec 2021

Nobody paid much attention while the Repukes stole our lunch money for the next 10 years. I think we learned our lesson, and it's not going to happen again.

I don't believe in "reverse" gerrymandering to get even. But I do know this: the Repukes will cheat anyway they can, because they know they can't win unless they cheat. Never again can we allow the district maps they got 10 years ago.

Poiuyt

(18,130 posts)
11. Another article about this on Daily Kos
Sun Dec 26, 2021, 11:50 PM
Dec 2021

This trend has only become apparent in the last few weeks. Waldman distills the reason into four key points: First, the GOP had already gerrymandered the map after 2010 so completely that there was little room left to maneuver for them; second, Democrats have taken advantage of the “relatively few states” in which they have an opportunity to redistrict in their favor; third, in some states (such as Texas) the GOP has chosen to consolidate its existing districts rather than seek additional seats; and finally, independent commissions that have produced new maps ins states such as California have not hurt the Democrats to the extent they might have expected.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/12/25/2071200/-Redistricting-is-not-turning-out-to-be-the-disaster-Democrats-had-expected-Not-even-close

soldierant

(6,934 posts)
13. Katie Porter says she still has a district
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 12:16 AM
Dec 2021

(i.e., it wasn't redrawn to the point she no longer lived in it, as Boebert's was), but 70% of the voters in it are new. She cold use some help, if anyone has any help to spare.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
12. I told people this a long time ago.
Sun Dec 26, 2021, 11:54 PM
Dec 2021

Everyone was concentrating on the states that were gaining and not the ones that were losing... and that's where we're making up ground.

IronLionZion

(45,541 posts)
22. Dems in array
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 10:14 AM
Dec 2021

Dems need to go after state legislature elections more aggressively. Lots of important stuff happens at the state level.

IbogaProject

(2,843 posts)
24. we need rules about redistricting
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 03:08 PM
Dec 2021

We need rules about this redistricting.

The redistricting process should balance the districts being contiguous and compact, while the whole delegation of the state should reflect the political balance.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
26. I agree if everyone did this...but since the GOP will gerrymander, we need to gerrymander all
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 03:22 PM
Dec 2021

possible Democratic states...New York and Californa in particular...

Wounded Bear

(58,721 posts)
28. In an ideal world, yes...
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 03:29 PM
Dec 2021

My state (WA) has a redistricting committee. It's pretty fair overall. It's a blue state with some large (georgraphically) red districts. But the population centers remain pretty blue. Our number of districts didn't change, but there is some re-shuffling that may lead to a blue-red shift in at least one district, but we'll see. It was a red district for many years before flipping in 2018 with 52%.

Meanwhile, we probably do need to 'fight back' with some gerrymandering where possible or the repubs will run rough shod over us.

IbogaProject

(2,843 posts)
30. I'm in favor to balance against theirs, but we need to take the high ground.
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 03:43 PM
Dec 2021

I'm in favor to balance against theirs, but we need to take the high ground. There used to be problems in NY where the minority areas like Harlem would be split 4 ways to reduce black victories. It took the 1960s voting rights changes to allow an incoming class of diverse representatives after the 1972 election cycle. Lots of good things were passed before Regan came in.

IbogaProject

(2,843 posts)
33. I mean a national standard put in b4 next redistricting
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 11:53 PM
Dec 2021

I mean a national standard put in b4 next redistricting. And expanding the house is long overdue.

Demsrule86

(68,696 posts)
25. The ratio is 26 GOP and 25 Democratic...so we can fix this.
Mon Dec 27, 2021, 03:20 PM
Dec 2021

Of course, they did win Virginia which is a disgrace...I hope those that didn't bother to show up suffer mightily under the fascist GOP type Governor and legislature.

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