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riversedge

(70,299 posts)
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 08:36 AM Dec 2021

Why you should upgrade your mask as the Omicron variant spreads





Why you should upgrade your mask as the Omicron variant spreads


https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/24/health/cloth-mask-omicron-variant-wellness/index.html



By Kristen Rogers, CNN

Updated 11:28 AM ET, Fri December 24, 2021
Why experts recommend a N95 mask to stop Covid spread



(CNN)As the highly contagious Omicron coronavirus variant continues to spread, some experts say it's past time to reconsider your face mask options -- especially if you're still wearing the cloth variety.

"Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There's no place for them in light of Omicron,"
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"This is what scientists and public health officials have been saying for months, many months, in fact," Wen added in a separate phone interview.

Omicron is now the dominant strain of coronavirus in the US, according to the CDC
"We need to be wearing at least a three-ply surgical mask," she said, which is also known as a disposable mask and can be found at most drugstores and some grocery and retail stores. "You can wear a cloth mask on top of that, but do not just wear a cloth mask alone."

Ideally, in crowded places, "you should be wearing a KN95 or N95 mask," which can be as inexpensive as a few dollars each, Wen added. By having a better fit and certain materials -- such as polypropylene fibers -- acting as both mechanical and electrostatic barriers, these masks better prevent tiny particles from getting into your nose or mouth and must be fitted to your face to function properly.

Changing guidance[/b


During the first several months of the pandemic, health experts discouraged the general public from buying N95 masks, since medical professionals were facing a shortage of personal protection equipment. But it has "been many months since supply of N95s (has been) an issue," Wen said.

Yet the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's most recent guidance on selecting, properly wearing, cleaning and storing face masks recommended people avoid N95 masks and instead choose masks with two or more layers of washable, breathable fabric -- which Wen called "a major mistake."

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lets and the smaller aerosols or particles potentially laden with airborne virus if infected people are present,
Bromage said. A cloth face covering also has 75% inward and outward leakage, which the American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists defines as the "percentage of particles entering the facepiece" and the "percentage of particles exhaled by a source exiting the facepiece," respectively.

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Why you should upgrade your mask as the Omicron variant spreads (Original Post) riversedge Dec 2021 OP
I've been in 3M N95's for nearly 2 years. SheltieLover Dec 2021 #1
Where can you buy them? Nt USALiberal Dec 2021 #10
I linked in #13 below, nt sir pball Dec 2021 #14
Bought 50 yesterday Roy Rolling Dec 2021 #17
Thanks!! Nt USALiberal Dec 2021 #22
Share and Enjoy! sir pball Dec 2021 #24
Terrible Message ProfessorGAC Dec 2021 #2
Agree! tavernier Dec 2021 #7
CDC should've been clear from the beginning YP_Yooper Dec 2021 #9
Cloth masks with n95 filters are still good IronLionZion Dec 2021 #15
Hear, hear! Hugin Dec 2021 #23
I was going to comment along the same lines. Gore1FL Dec 2021 #27
Exactly! I make my own masks for family and friends. They're decorative, but they're also 3 layers ARPad95 Dec 2021 #43
I started wearing KN95s... 2naSalit Dec 2021 #3
Been in KN95s for a few months now... Wounded Bear Dec 2021 #18
I started wearing N95 when delta stats wnylib Dec 2021 #25
Ordered them last week, they'll be here tomorrow bucolic_frolic Dec 2021 #4
Is n-95 reusable? 3Hotdogs Dec 2021 #5
Yes - reusable. No - washable. CCExile Dec 2021 #6
I'm wary about reusing the N95. wnylib Dec 2021 #26
https://www.acoi.org/covid-19/n95reuse CCExile Dec 2021 #44
The link doesn't work. wnylib Dec 2021 #46
here's the cdc guidance on respirator reuse Maru Kitteh Dec 2021 #56
I have a little clothesline made of string rigged up in my garage tanyev Dec 2021 #11
I re-use my KN95s several times, at least, but... Wounded Bear Dec 2021 #19
I've been double masking at work for weeks MyMission Dec 2021 #8
The blue "surgical" style disposable masks are not very effective either madville Dec 2021 #12
3M 8210 N95 respirators, $17.85/20 on Amazon sir pball Dec 2021 #13
I have those and can confirm they are really 3M IronLionZion Dec 2021 #16
I've purchased these as well. Silver Gaia Dec 2021 #32
Have the 6200 with p100 also 48656c6c6f20 Dec 2021 #33
It does have an exhaust valve, but I just cover it with some fabric sir pball Dec 2021 #47
Yeah I probably just use it in low traffic areas 48656c6c6f20 Dec 2021 #48
That's rather extravagant! sir pball Dec 2021 #49
Thanks Chautauquas Dec 2021 #45
OK I am confused Skittles Dec 2021 #50
No no sir pball Dec 2021 #52
yeah, OK Skittles Dec 2021 #55
Thank you, sir pball. I'll be checking them out. Hekate Dec 2021 #51
Fair warning - they're not comfortable. sir pball Dec 2021 #54
I ordered 2 boxes MustLoveBeagles Dec 2021 #63
"...and must be fitted to your face to function properly." Lasher Dec 2021 #20
I think the best we nonmedical people can do is Silver Gaia Dec 2021 #30
Thanks, SG Lasher Dec 2021 #38
Besides my mask DownriverDem Dec 2021 #21
Best place to buy authentic Powecom KN95 masks: Silver Gaia Dec 2021 #28
K&R! Before xmas I started looking around for new better face masks. I wasn't out of my liberalla Dec 2021 #29
Can you post where you bought these masks please? Silver Gaia Dec 2021 #31
I'll respond later. I was going to write more in my post but I'm at work and had to stop... liberalla Dec 2021 #34
Great! I'll be waiting for your answer too. senseandsensibility Dec 2021 #37
My reply is #59 just below liberalla Dec 2021 #61
K. Thanks! Silver Gaia Dec 2021 #42
My reply is #59 just below liberalla Dec 2021 #60
I wanted to add that the KF94 masks have ear loops, and the 3M Aura N95 masks liberalla Dec 2021 #59
A bit harsh with the facial decoration crack. paleotn Dec 2021 #35
My reaction, as well. Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #40
Yeah, with no description of what kind of cloth masks they meant Retrograde Dec 2021 #57
Thanks. senseandsensibility Dec 2021 #36
I hate it when otherwise reasonable advice starts with a demonstrably false statement. Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #39
I hate it when people avoid the data. SARS-CoV-2 is BSL3. sir pball Dec 2021 #58
The protocol for handling of cultures of SARS COV-2 in a laboratory setting Ms. Toad Dec 2021 #62
Right wing disinformation has seeped in fescuerescue Dec 2021 #41
N95 bdamomma Dec 2021 #53

Roy Rolling

(6,933 posts)
17. Bought 50 yesterday
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 10:18 AM
Dec 2021

I bought a box of N95 masks on Amazon and they arrived yesterday. I was surprised they were available, no supply chain issues. 😂

ProfessorGAC

(65,168 posts)
2. Terrible Message
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 08:49 AM
Dec 2021

Even if accurate, this is dreadful public relations.

"Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There's no place for them in light of Omicron," ...........................
"This is what scientists and public health officials have been saying for months, many months, in fact," Wen added in a separate phone interview.

This is an awful message to send, given the bleatings, for many months, of the anti-mask brigade.
I think there's a way to encouraging some folks to consider upgrading their protection without resorting to calling cloth masks useless. (Which, BTW, I find suspiciously alarmist given the actual physics of filtration.)
 

YP_Yooper

(291 posts)
9. CDC should've been clear from the beginning
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 09:20 AM
Dec 2021

"without resorting to calling cloth masks useless"
They have always been useless. Those vented masks and the neoprene masks are horrible. Vented only protects the person wearing it, the neoprene actually helps the virus spread by breaking up large droplets into smaller ones that float around longer.

IronLionZion

(45,528 posts)
15. Cloth masks with n95 filters are still good
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 10:13 AM
Dec 2021

I use big filters that cover my nose and mouth well so the mask is essentially a holder for it. Headband gives me a great fit and protection.

Fit is very important. A badly fitting mask of any type is going to have air leaking from the sides instead of being filtered.

Hugin

(33,198 posts)
23. Hear, hear!
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 11:08 AM
Dec 2021

Luckily, I have a canary SO who has been well ahead of the curve throughout.

She started wearing a 'Niner-five back in September and even more concerning has adopted gloves in public places where large amounts of the handling of objects is required like a grocery.

So, her instinct is to move to MOPP Level IV.

Gore1FL

(21,151 posts)
27. I was going to comment along the same lines.
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 11:42 AM
Dec 2021

"Considering the Omicron variant's infectiousness coupled with the greater availability of better masks, it's a good idea to upgrade" would have been a much better way to phrase that. Even a cloth mask reduces the distances the virus travels on exhale. To call them facial decorations is contrary to what we've learned in the last couple of years.

ARPad95

(1,671 posts)
43. Exactly! I make my own masks for family and friends. They're decorative, but they're also 3 layers
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 01:54 PM
Dec 2021

Last edited Tue Dec 28, 2021, 03:05 PM - Edit history (1)

with the outside 2 layers being 100% cotton tight weave fabric and the inner 3rd layer being pillow protector material. That inner layer is breathable facing in and waterproof facing out. Hold them up to the light and no light gets through. They're not "little more than facial decorations." They lay flat against and cover the face from ear to ear and snug under the chin. No gaps! A nose piece and the type of pattern I use prevents them from slipping down. They've proven their effectiveness and, as an added plus, they're comfortable to wear for extended periods (I've worn mine up to 17 hours in a row). When I have doctor appointments and have to switch to those paper masks...ugh! I can understand why anti-maskers complain.






2naSalit

(86,775 posts)
3. I started wearing KN95s...
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 08:50 AM
Dec 2021

When omicron was announced. And I'm back in lockdown mode, at least my favorite kitty is visiting for a week or two so I have company.

Wounded Bear

(58,706 posts)
18. Been in KN95s for a few months now...
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 10:46 AM
Dec 2021

not in total lockdown, but maintaining my near hermit lifestyle.

wnylib

(21,606 posts)
25. I started wearing N95 when delta stats
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 11:34 AM
Dec 2021

in my community went up to CDC's high risk category. Just ordered more last Thursday. They are projected to arrive today.

bucolic_frolic

(43,281 posts)
4. Ordered them last week, they'll be here tomorrow
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 08:51 AM
Dec 2021

I have 2 cloth ones, some sort of hospital one, and a standard blue medical mask. I figured omicron required more.

wnylib

(21,606 posts)
26. I'm wary about reusing the N95.
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 11:39 AM
Dec 2021

If I go out in public wearing it, wouldn't the virus accumulate on the surface? Then handling it to put it pn again would contaminate my hands and possibly my face.

I would want to sterilize it first before reusing it.

tanyev

(42,610 posts)
11. I have a little clothesline made of string rigged up in my garage
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 09:37 AM
Dec 2021

where I hang up my N95s in the order I wear them. Each mask airs out for at least 7 days before I wear it again. Moisture degrades the effectiveness of the mask, so any mask worn during activity that makes me sweat gets thrown away immediately.

Wounded Bear

(58,706 posts)
19. I re-use my KN95s several times, at least, but...
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 10:50 AM
Dec 2021

as a qualifier I don't go out much, and when I do it tends to be brief periods in stores, etc. Between uses, I hang them up to dry out. If I have an extended wear, that will cut down the times I re-use it. Generally, on days when I visit the hospital and expect to be there for several hours, I'll grab a brand new one.

My box of 50 has lasted a couple of months so far with that method.

Which reminds me, time to check my inventory.

MyMission

(1,850 posts)
8. I've been double masking at work for weeks
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 09:16 AM
Dec 2021

Or wearing a kn95 or a mask where I can and do use a kn95 filter insert

Many people don't wear a good quality mask.
It's past time to upgrade and stock up on filters.

madville

(7,412 posts)
12. The blue "surgical" style disposable masks are not very effective either
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 09:41 AM
Dec 2021

They fit loose on most people and can have large gaps on the sides and around the nose allowing air to go in and out around the mask, not through it.

It’s accepted that these masks are not meant to filter out the airborne virus, they are meant to only stop large droplets or spray from either leaving the wearer or directly entering the wearer’s mouth or nose.

sir pball

(4,758 posts)
13. 3M 8210 N95 respirators, $17.85/20 on Amazon
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 09:58 AM
Dec 2021

Yes yes, "AlL mAsKs oN AmAzOn ArE FaKe" - these are the real deal; they're sold by 3M directly and I've cross-checked the lot numbers on all ten packages I've bought. They aren't medically rated, but that's more of a formality for use in a healthcare setting as opposed to any indicator of protection.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008MCUZZS/

For the truly paranoid, like myself, 6200 half-face respirators are $13.99 and P100 (Biosafety Level 3) filter cartridges are readily available, but you do look a bit of...a way wearing one.

 

48656c6c6f20

(7,638 posts)
33. Have the 6200 with p100 also
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 12:20 PM
Dec 2021

But I am not sure if I should use it. It doesn't filter expelled breath I have read. So maybe I would wear it if other masks became scarce. What's your thoughts?

sir pball

(4,758 posts)
47. It does have an exhaust valve, but I just cover it with some fabric
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 05:30 PM
Dec 2021

You can rubber-band a scrap of bandana or surgical mask over the exhaust valve pretty easily. You can also pop the cover off the valve and seal it up if you want to make sure your exhaled air is really well filtered, but I only wear mine when it's an extremely risky situation (last time was in Hartwell, GA - MAGA Central with a

 

48656c6c6f20

(7,638 posts)
48. Yeah I probably just use it in low traffic areas
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 06:26 PM
Dec 2021

Like when I check mail or take out the trash in my apartment building. Saves using a n95 for a quick run. Thanks.

sir pball

(4,758 posts)
49. That's rather extravagant!
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 08:45 PM
Dec 2021

The lifespan of a P100 filter is less than an N95 (finer filter, clogs easier) - the design of a respirator makes it safe to reuse until the filters are so clogged it's hard to breathe, you aren't going to get sick from a dirty mask - but at $6 a set I don't use.mine unless it's a legitimate Hot Zone!

For tasks around the apartment building I just wear cloth, but my garbage room is literally 15 feet down the hall and I check the mail on my way in.

sir pball

(4,758 posts)
52. No no
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 09:57 PM
Dec 2021

The "AlTeRnAtE CaPs" text is a way of being dismissive - while it's true that a lot of masks on Amazon are fake, immediately dismissing buying any mask off Amazon is as idiotic and brain-damaged a position as saying "All masks from Amazon are fake".

Does that make sense?

sir pball

(4,758 posts)
54. Fair warning - they're not comfortable.
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 10:00 PM
Dec 2021

If you get the nose bar bent right, they're fine for a whole day if you don't speak while opening your mouth (think ventriloquism) - but they're nowhere near as easy to wear as a blown-fiber folded mask.

But they're far more effective...like how sports tires last 5000 miles but WalMart tires last 50,000. I'm a gearhead, I do automotive analogies

MustLoveBeagles

(11,634 posts)
63. I ordered 2 boxes
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:35 AM
Dec 2021

They just arrived today. I tried one out when I went to pick up food. I expected more discomfort wearing it but it wasn't that bad.

Silver Gaia

(4,546 posts)
30. I think the best we nonmedical people can do is
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 12:05 PM
Dec 2021

to make sure the mask fits tightly under your chin and carefully smooth the metal band at the top to conform to the shape of your nose bridge and cheeks. I always flatten the "v" crimp in the metal band before I put it on because its easier to get it to fit tightly without that sharp bend. If you wear glasses, they should not steam up if you've fit it correctly. If they do, reposition it until they don't steam up. Hope that helps!

Silver Gaia

(4,546 posts)
28. Best place to buy authentic Powecom KN95 masks:
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 11:56 AM
Dec 2021
https://bonafidemasks.com/

Powecom is the most recommended brand for KN95 masks. They are not that expensive (usually less than $1 each), and this merchant accepts PayPal. I've ordered from them many times (in fact, just received an order today). They are the real deal.

My hubby is a cancer patient. We use these masks almost exclusively, and have for over a year now. I have some authentic 3M N95 masks as well, but we've found the KN95s to be more comfy, so we use them in most settings.

It's OK to wear a cloth or surgical mask OVER a KN95 or N95, but never under them. It breaks the seal. And always fit the metal band at the top closely to your nose and cheeks to create a good seal. If you wear glasses, they should not steam up if you have a good seal.

I agree with warnings about fake masks being sold on Amazon. In general, I distrust third-party sellers for anything name-brand and/or important. Buy directly from the manufacturer or from a trusted merchant. On Amazon, if it says it is shipped and sold by Amazon, I trust that, but not a third-party seller even if it is shipped by Amazon.

Hope that helps someone!

liberalla

(9,260 posts)
29. K&R! Before xmas I started looking around for new better face masks. I wasn't out of my
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 12:00 PM
Dec 2021

previous supply, but wanted a higher quality. I ordered 3 types and they all have arrived...

The ones I really like right now are the KF94. They are the Korean equivalent to the KN95, except the filtration is at 94%. Very comfortable and good coverage. They look nicer, too, IMO.

I also ordered 3M N95 in the Aura style (similar to the look and folded like the KF94). For comfort, I like this 3M N95 aura mask better tha the usual 3M N95 masks...

liberalla

(9,260 posts)
59. I wanted to add that the KF94 masks have ear loops, and the 3M Aura N95 masks
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 11:43 PM
Dec 2021

have the bands that go around the back of the head. Also (and this is just me personally) I don't like white masks. The Aura is only in white, AFAIK. The KF94's are available in black and I prefer that. The masks I ordered were individually packaged and had dates stamped on them.

(KF=Korean Filter)

What's the Difference Between KN95 and KF94 Masks?

How to Tell if Your Mask is Counterfeit

A lot of good info in this second article above about the history of the KF94 (hint: SARS, MERS), how to shop for KF94's, and avoiding counterfeit KF94 masks.

Also both articles show a few KF94 brands that they trust.

I ordered my masks from eBay. You want to be sure they are marked KF94 on the package and have the red, white and blue seal of the Korean government. If it's in English, look for certified by the Ministry of Food and Drug Safety, South Korea (similar to image below). Korea does rigorous testing and oversees the production and distribution of KF94 masks. It's pretty well controlled there. The fake masks are largely from China.

This is just what I've learned in the last 10 days or so... I'm not vouching for any particular mask or company!

paleotn

(17,956 posts)
35. A bit harsh with the facial decoration crack.
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 12:52 PM
Dec 2021

They're not "completely useless", just not nearly as effective.

Years ago, I was doing some drywall work at the house and needed some masks. Only thing they had at the big box was a monster pack of N95's. I was a bit irritated because I didn't need that many damn masks, but also didn't want to make a special trip to find a onesy, twosy pack so I bought them. Who knows? Might need them someday. Yep. Been using them since the pandemic began.

Ms. Toad

(34,087 posts)
40. My reaction, as well.
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 01:08 PM
Dec 2021

It angers me that false statements have been make about their effectiveness of cloth masks from the beginning of the pandemic for various political purposes (to save masks for the health care workers, to appeal to people's altruism, etc.).

Retrograde

(10,156 posts)
57. Yeah, with no description of what kind of cloth masks they meant
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 10:42 PM
Dec 2021

A bandana over the nose and mouth? A neck gaiter made of knit material? A single-layer with loosely-woven material? Multiple layers of close-woven fabric with a non-woven insert? I find the masks I make (multiple-layer close-woven fabric) both better fitting and more effective than those cheap blue ones that gap at all the edges (My cloth ones fit tightly around the cheeks and chin, and have adjustable nose pieces so my glasses (usually) don't fog up).

And they're washable, so we're not cluttering up landfills (and the neighborhoods) with discarded one-use masks.

Ms. Toad

(34,087 posts)
39. I hate it when otherwise reasonable advice starts with a demonstrably false statement.
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 01:05 PM
Dec 2021
"Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There's no place for them in light of Omicron,"


While it is absolutely correct that more protection is needed than cloth face masks (even well-fitted, multi-layer ones), it is false that they are little more than face decorations.

The cotton cloth face masks which are made up of multiple alternative layers of cotton and any of these-silk, chiffon, or flannel fabric that are well fitted on face to ensure minimal or no leak may provide filtration efficacy as high as >90%. The two-layered cotton fabric face mask with 240 threads per centimeter reported a filtering efficiency of 99.5 ± 0.1%; which is close to that of N95 masks (99.9% ± 0.1%) for >300 nm size particle.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7497125/

(While the article is generally negative as to cloth masks, largely becasue of the wide variety of fabric and fit, it confirms what I've been saying all along - well-fitted multiple layers of close weave fabric are at least 70% effective.

(I have switched, for the duration of omicron to KN94 masks, but once it has passed - barring a new variant that is as efficient at transmission - I wll return to my well-fitted, close-weave cotton masks.

sir pball

(4,758 posts)
58. I hate it when people avoid the data. SARS-CoV-2 is BSL3.
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 11:13 PM
Dec 2021
Cultures of SARS-CoV-2 should be handled in a Biosafety Level 3 (BSL-3) laboratory using BSL-3 practices...


https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/lab-biosafety-guidelines.html

Ms. Toad

(34,087 posts)
62. The protocol for handling of cultures of SARS COV-2 in a laboratory setting
Wed Dec 29, 2021, 12:28 AM
Dec 2021

has nothing to do with the efficacy of well-fitted, consistently-worn multi-layer masks for preventing transmission.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
41. Right wing disinformation has seeped in
Tue Dec 28, 2021, 01:11 PM
Dec 2021

""Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations."

That's what the right wingers have been saying. They keep saying that these masks don't work.

We all know masks work.

This means the rest of the article is suspect.

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